Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[zorkuus]

Wow.

Americans, what's your excuse for not putting this lunatic into a mental ward already? The rest of the world demands a sane answer.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

You know Trump has shown the blueprint, you don't need congress. Clarence Thomas and Alito are taking bribes the only reason they never got investigated is because of "decorum". You can drown them in investigations both civil, liable and strip them of their ill gotten gains not to mention make them radioactive to their billionaire donors. You cut off the money and those snakes will leave the supreme court just so they can retire in peace, none of these evil assholes have courage they are out for themselves.

Right, they could have been investigated...but they weren't. What makes you think any of that changes with the next election?

[Draco-Onis]

And their stupid "presidential immunity" ruling, bullshit though it was, was rooted in (a severely twisted interpretation of) the Constitution. Congress can't just pass a law and say "the Supreme Court says the constitution forbids it but we're totally cool with doing it anyway." And since the issue at hand here is prosecuting and jailing Trump, it's not something the Executive or Legislative can just do and dare the Supreme Court to stop them, because it requires a judge to actually conduct the trial and sentence him, and most judges are just going to say "the Supreme Court says no" and throw out the case.

There are a thousand ways to skin this orange cat mainly his money. Trump is currently seizing Venezuelan oil and funneling the money into offshore bank accounts for himself. He embezzled at least 6 billion dollars last year, in short go after their money. If your last name is Trump make sure they can't sneeze without an federal agent saying bless you. You cripple his business, swamp him with state and federal investigations make their life a living hell.

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Right, they could have been investigated...but they weren't. What makes you think any of that changes with the next election?

Frankly not hopeful the rarest animal to find is a democrat with balls.

[zorkuus]

Let's face it, tRUMP will never face consequences for his criminality. The democrats are far too spineless and the american political and legal system way too slow for that. What would happen (this is assuming democrats gain power again), is the investigations would be slowwalked... and oops... republicans control all three branches of government again. That's the end of that.

[Draco-Onis]

Let's face it, tRUMP will never face consequences for his criminality. The democrats are far too spineless and the american political and legal system way too slow for that. What would happen (this is assuming democrats gain power again), is the investigations would be slowwalked... and oops... republicans control all three branches of government again. That's the end of that.

Sadly the most likely scenario.

[btlcryct]

Let's face it, tRUMP will never face consequences for his criminality. The democrats are far too spineless and the american political and legal system way too slow for that. What would happen (this is assuming democrats gain power again), is the investigations would be slowwalked... and oops... republicans control all three branches of government again. That's the end of that.

Or the second there's any whiff of an investigation, there will be a flight to Moscow with the whole Trump clan on it. Maybe even on Turkish Rump Force One. Where they'll give Putin or whoever is in charge as many secrets as they want in exchange for never being extradited.

[Draco-Onis]

Or the second there's any whiff of an investigation, there will be a flight to Moscow with the whole Trump clan on it. Maybe even on Turkish Rump Force One. Where they'll give Putin or whoever is in charge as many secrets as they want in exchange for never being extradited.

Nah the combination of arrogance and stupidity would make them ignore it because let's face it they have never been held accountable in their life.

[Iphie]

Nah the combination of arrogance and stupidity would make them ignore it because let's face it they have never been held accountable in their life.

Trump himself may be but his kids have some self preservation instincts, I mean Ivanka hasn't been involved this time around much, has she?

[Poopymonster]

Trump himself may be but his kids have some self preservation instincts, I mean Ivanka hasn't been involved this time around much, has she?

Her plan: Get cyber master Barron old enough to get fully into the family griftness.
Otherwise she's a hospice volunteer for DilDon. She's waiting for him to die.

[Gorsameth]

They'd be called out for tyranny by right wing gun nuts faster than you casn say "trump is a pedofile".

Its adorable that you think they won't yell that anyway, no matter what you do.

[Corvus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the role of the secret service also to prevent assets fleeing to foreign countries?

[PhaelixWW]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the role of the secret service also to prevent assets fleeing to foreign countries?

They swear the same oath to the Constitution, so... theoretically.

[Malkiah]

Americans, what's your excuse for not putting this lunatic into a mental ward already? The rest of the world demands a sane answer.

half the population actively supports this, and the mechanisms of how government works in the US means you can't legally stop it without a 2/3rd majority.

so with no legal means, there are three options left:
1. disruption and protest to force regressives to change their behavior.
this is problematic as a solution because regressives are not swayed by a moral argument or by evidence of a population disapproving of their actions, and because of how US culture is set up right now long term disruptive peaceful protest is complicated by a lack of social safety/security.
while many people have plenty, the majority of US citizens are in a "comfortable in a knife edge" territory, and it's not in human nature to sacrifice stable but unreliable homeostasis for the sake of moral righteousness.
side note: the US also has basically zero community support built into its culture, so unfortunately there's not an existing paradigm to easily shift into citizens helping citizens weather something like a long term strike or protest.
those systems would need to be built from the ground up in a society that would by and large resist many of the collective aspects of that kind of organizing... so it could happen without time and work but would take years or decades to get off the ground starting from now.

2. sudden large scale populace revolt.
this will probably eventually happen if this shit goes on long enough, but spontaneous social uprisings require a critical mass percentage of the population to be in material crisis and have nothing to lose, the US isn't close to that point.

3. lone citizen agents using assassination to take out targets to reduce the movement.
this has a lot of problems, not the least of which is that the regressive movement in the US has evolved way past the point of it being dependent on a singular figure.
i know many people feel that trump is akin to hitler in that the entire republican party revolves around him, but when i look at history i see that during their terms people said the same thing of bush jr and reagan so i think US fascism is more entrenched and robust than any single person.

i guess this is more of an explanation than an excuse, because there is no excuse for regressive ideology in any society.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the role of the secret service also to prevent assets fleeing to foreign countries?

Well, I think it could only be classified as "fleeing" if there were actual charges filed. Otherwise, I don't think they can do anything to stop said assets from taking a "spontaneous vacation" to Russia unless the US were involved in active hostilities with Ol' Puty... and that would just be a form of protective custody.

[Breccia]

Q: You’ve promised $2,000 checks to Americans based off of your tariff revenues. When can-

A: I did do that? When did I do that?

That's Trump, being asked by a NYTimes reporter about the tariffs checks he's promised repeatedly, forgetting he promised the tariffs checks repeatedly.

He tried to explain he was talking about the $1,776 bribes to the military whose paychecks he personally blocked, but of course, if he really thought that's what the question was about, he should have answered that question. His excuse was pathetic.

Trump is either so senile and so retarded he forgot one of his biggest, most prominent policies...or, they were just another casual lie he tossed out and so unimportant that he forgot. Pick one. Pick both. Neither trait is redeeming.

Those checks are not happening. There is no money, despite Trump's historic tax increases on the American people, the only person who raised the federal deficit more than Trump is Trump. DOGE was an abject failure, lying about its savings and costing more than it recovered. And, as recently as an hour ago, Trump announced that SCOTUS was going to block his illegal tariffs by screaming that the USA was doomed without them (which, of course, means he's a traitor to his own administration by pushing them back and lowering them, which he did, this term as well as the previous).

Trump is a failure. At best, he's a lying loser destroying the world's largest economy on purpose. At worst, half the American people put a senile retard in charge of the world's largest economy on purpose, and also gave him nuclear weapons.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

half the population actively supports this, and the mechanisms of how government works in the US means you can't legally stop it without a 2/3rd majority.

In b4 someone pedantically points out that only 49.8% of the votes were for Trump, meaning that technically it's less than half of the voting population. Which of course disregards that about 1/3 of Americans did not vote at all...which means that even if they don't actively support this...they don't consider it a big enough issue for them to bother with.

[thilicen]

Trump is a failure. At best, he's a lying loser destroying the world's largest economy on purpose. At worst, half the American people put a senile retard in charge of the world's largest economy on purpose, and also gave him nuclear weapons.

Pretty sure it's both.

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In b4 someone pedantically points out that only 49.8% of the votes were for Trump, meaning that technically it's less than half of the voting population. Which of course disregards that about 1/3 of Americans did not vote at all...which means that even if they don't actively support this...they don't consider it a big enough issue for them to bother with.

Not voting = a vote for the guy who won, it's that simple.

[Breccia]

Shit, I left one off.

Farm bankruptcies rose 57% last year and farmers are at risk of medical debt killing them, maybe literally.

The enhanced subsidies that many Americans, including farmers, rely on to purchase health insurance are set to expire at the end of this month.

More than a quarter of the agricultural workforce purchases health insurance through the individual marketplace, according to an analysis from KFF, a nonprofit health policy research organization.

That 27% rate is much higher than the overall population — only 6% of U.S. adults have non-group coverage.

Farming is dangerous work. Agricultural workers spend much of their time outside and exposed to the elements. Many of their duties can lead to injury or illness: they drive and operate heavy machinery, work with toxic chemicals, and handle large animals.

Work-related deaths are seven times higher for farmers than the national average.

The financial toll of non-fatal farm injuries is also significant. A study from the University of Nebraska Medical Center found that the average cost of a farming injury was $10,878 in medical care and $4,735 in lost work.

"Wait, that article is from Dec 31. Didn't the recent vote-"

Has Trump signed it?

"No..."

Has he threatened to veto it?

"Yes..."

Then it's still valid. Except that Trump won't just let the cuts expire, he'll force them to expire directly and personally. Or, the GOP Senate will. Either way, MAGA stabs itself in the foot. Feel free to bookmark this post and point out I was wrong when Trump signs it. I don't care.

[Malkiah]

In b4 someone pedantically points out that only 49.8% of the votes were for Trump, meaning that technically it's less than half of the voting population. Which of course disregards that about 1/3 of Americans did not vote at all...which means that even if they don't actively support this...they don't consider it a big enough issue for them to bother with.

i mean sure, but academic research also shows that US non-voters are almost perfectly evenly split ideologically, so even in a hypothetical where the US has 100% voter participation you'd have the same results, just with higher numbers.
well, that's not technically entirely true because it would depend on the geographic distribution and how that would impact the electoral college, but my point is that for all we know with the data we have available that's an equation that simply balances itself out.

[PACOX]

Now, remind me...why did the Sovjet Union collapse again? I seem to recall the military budget got unsustainable...

You just know the Russians are egging him too while laughing to themselves.