Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon

Pete Hegseth announced on Monday that the US military will begin integrating Elon Musk’s artificial intelligence tool, Grok, into Pentagon networks.

RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

[Mayhem]

I'd rather figure out a different solution. For example withholding energy sharing, services, and possibly tax payments. Financially withhold to slow down the war machine.

Secession says the state is no longer a member of the US, and therefore, an enemy in their own land with no defensive powers whatsoever. Its like waving a flag that say, please eliminate all of us.

Uhu, ok, wow, if that is really the sentiment. It explains so much about the USA.

The USA isn't 50 states working together for the greater good and occasionally royally fucking shit up for everyone and then some, no, it's 50 states extorting each other. What a great relationship, cheesus.

[Gabriel]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon



RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

Can't wait to prompt engineer Grog to nuke Russian military targets in Ukraine with a tweet.

[Mayhem]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon



RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

Kewl, so if you want to know about planned military operations, you just ask Grok. Did you hear that? Hundreds of journalists just uninstalled Signal.

[Edge-]

Kewl, so if you want to know about planned military operations, you just ask Grok. Did you hear that? Hundreds of journalists just uninstalled Signal.

it's crazy how they're handing the government over to some south african pedo guy. he's a fucking immigrant!

and still wild that the south african pedo guy is willing to work with the child rapists he said he knew were in the epstein files? gosh, just lots of awful people!

[btlcryct]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon



RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

I feel like I saw this somewhere else before, about 22 years ago. Oh yea....

[Edge-]

i'm not remotely sold on the skynet comparisons, i don't think the software is anywhere near that complex, sophisticated, or capable.

it's just probably gonna let questionable soldiers create a whole lot of child porn. do us laws apply to navy vessels on the open water? i should ask my friend who was in the navy for a while, it's an interesting question.

and probably siphon all our military data into unsecured AWS servers like that time the south african pedo guy and his doge department leaked millions of americans SSNs because they were doing just that thing with our personal data

people have hung for less

[En Sabah Nur]

So Elon is now going to add every military secret to already having everyone's last bit of info?

What could go wrong...

[Gabriel]

i'm not remotely sold on the skynet comparisons, i don't think the software is anywhere near that complex, sophisticated, or capable.

it's just probably gonna let questionable soldiers create a whole lot of child porn. do us laws apply to navy vessels on the open water? i should ask my friend who was in the navy for a while, it's an interesting question.

and probably siphon all our military data into unsecured AWS servers like that time the south african pedo guy and his doge department leaked millions of americans SSNs because they were doing just that thing with our personal data

people have hung for less

Bro... I just felt a disturbance in the Force... as if millions of War Thunder players just jizzed their pants in joy and started convulsing.

[btlcryct]

i'm not remotely sold on the skynet comparisons, i don't think the software is anywhere near that complex, sophisticated, or capable.

it's just probably gonna let questionable soldiers create a whole lot of child porn. do us laws apply to navy vessels on the open water? i should ask my friend who was in the navy for a while, it's an interesting question.

and probably siphon all our military data into unsecured AWS servers like that time the south african pedo guy and his doge department leaked millions of americans SSNs because they were doing just that thing with our personal data

people have hung for less

While I agree it's not there yet, yet is the key word. Just look at the Will Smith eating spaghetti advancements in just a few years. Companies are sinking ungodly amounts of cash into the development of AI, while also cutting out consumers. PC parts have gone through the roof and some companies have said they're basically going to stop selling parts to the public so they can use it all on AI. Heck, if these companies had their way, they'd shut of electricity to everyone so they could use all that energy for themselves probably. Not to mention Trump signing an EO saying states cannot restrict AI's development. Right now, it's like handing the keys to a Mack truck to a 5 year old and expecting it to go well.

[Edge-]

While I agree it's not there yet, yet is the key word. Just look at the Will Smith eating spaghetti advancements in just a few years. Companies are sinking ungodly amounts of cash into the development of AI, while also cutting out consumers. PC parts have gone through the roof and some companies have said they're basically going to stop selling parts to the public so they can use it all on AI. Heck, if these companies had their way, they'd shut of electricity to everyone so they could use all that energy for themselves probably. Not to mention Trump signing an EO saying states cannot restrict AI's development. Right now, it's like handing the keys to a Mack truck to a 5 year old and expecting it to go well.

don't confuse "llm's have gotten better at reproducing images and creating videos" with "it's capable of thinking or taking over networks". just because some models have gotten very good at some things doesn't mean they're now magic boxes capable of anything. they still break and do a lot of very dumb stuff, often.

[btlcryct]

don't confuse "llm's have gotten better at reproducing images and creating videos" with "it's capable of thinking or taking over networks". just because some models have gotten very good at some things doesn't mean they're now magic boxes capable of anything. they still break and do a lot of very dumb stuff, often.

Right, that's why I added the Mack truck part. But what will it be like in 10 years, or even in 2029 at the end of his term?

[Kathandira]

Uhu, ok, wow, if that is really the sentiment. It explains so much about the USA.

The USA isn't 50 states working together for the greater good and occasionally royally fucking shit up for everyone and then some, no, it's 50 states extorting each other. What a great relationship, cheesus.

If states were able to leave the union with the military support of a foreign ally, then maybe it would work. Otherwise, it is basically waving a flag that says, we are now defenseless, please come invade the sovereign states and murder anyone who stops you, and lock up those who worked to secede as traitors. Then the states get taken back by the union, and made part of the USA again, with puppet leadership installed.

Secession is more or less suicide.

[Fugus]

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon



RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

And then Skynet is born and trying to defend itself from Musk constantly trying to reprogram it to align with his distorted view of reality.

[Breccia]

Donald Trump suffers legal blow in his war against windmills

Imagine picking a fight with a fan, and losing.

A federal judge on Monday cleared the way for construction to resume on a nearly finished offshore wind farm off Rhode Island and Connecticut, delivering a rare win for the industry as President Donald Trump intensifies efforts to shut down projects he calls “losers.”

Honestly, Trump being dunked on yet again in court is far less amusing than Trump watching Don Quixote and saying "Hold my Big Mac, taco bowl, ketchup, fries, more fries, and Diet Coke."

[Kaleredar]

Right, that's why I added the Mack truck part. But what will it be like in 10 years, or even in 2029 at the end of his term?

The problem with LLMs as they currently exist and the “singularity” is that there’s no greater level of “and we just keep feeding it more data” they will make it obtain sentience. Feeding it more data might make it better at resolving answers (kind of) but that doesn’t mean it’s capable of actual thought, or ever will be.

This is a tangent but there’s an example I like to bring up about Clever Hans, a horse that was toured around in the 1800s and touted as “knowing math” because when asked a math question it would stamp its hoof until it reached the number of the answer, to the audience’s great expectation. Long story short the horse obviously didn’t know math, it was merely watching peoples reaction as it got closer to the correct number of hoof stamps and then would stop when the people reached a peak amount of excitement.

So to compare that to AI… the AI has “fooled you” into thinking that it can think or has thoughts or can be creative. But it’s not; it’s still just a horse stamping its hoof, conditioned by the “reactions” people tell it to inform what it thinks satisfactorily meets the parameters given. But just like the horse, no matter the number of questions you ask it… it’s never going to “learn math,” so to speak. It’s just not capable.


Suffice to say if AI integration into military structures causes problems, it’s not because the AI will have “gone rogue,” it’s because some idiot will have either acted maliciously themselves or because it makes a bad “decision” due to dumb programmers.

[Milchshake]

This Trump at his peak in power. president crashout crashing out


WATCH: Trump shows his middle finger and appears to say "fuck you" after Ford worker yells "pedophile protector" - TMZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmKDxHuZdY

[Poopymonster]

Some will. My home state of New York is taking steps.



As you can see, while it's not 100% finalized, that's a specific number ($155,000) with a specific date. Trump does not have this.

By contrast, here's a FB post by Rep. Tim Walberg (R-MI-GOODNESS), or more correctly, the comments under it.















"Hey, why did you include that last one?"

Well, for one, it has 34 laughing face emoji to 8 thumbs up emoji, really telling how people responded to that. It's also the first comment to get a real back-and-forth where someone tries to white knight a Republican Rep in Michigan, only to be laughed at and derided.

Speaking of replies, I was of course lying earlier. We do know the proposed amounts from Trump's socialist welfare handout.



"How large is the average farm?"

According to Trump, 87.1 million acres were set to soybeans in 2024, and in the 2022 farm census...or whatever, I don't care...270,851 soybean farms. That's an average of 321 acres, so, just about $10,000 to the average farm.

"That...sounds low."

It should be lower. That same census said most, 67%, of soybean farms are under 250 acres.

"Did Trump announce a cap on those payments, spreading more money to smaller farms, like NYState did?"

To the best of my knowledge, he did not.



Look, $10,000 is more than zero. But there are three massive caveats.

One, I don't think $10,000 will cover the increases involved. I base that on pretty much every article I've read on the topic.

Two, recovering the cost increased of production (and, let's not forget, Trump specifically and directly raising their health insurance costs) still doesn't make up for lost sales. Which like I just posted are expected to continue, as Trump is not making any visible progress towards a deal with China. He's doing the opposite.

And three, all of this is based on Trump paying what he promises. We all know that doesn't happen all that much. Is there currently a bill in the House or the Senate for these payments?

(checks for 30 seconds)

Oh right, it's not a bill in the House or Senate. Trump says he'll do it out of tariffs funds. The ones that, supposedly, are needed to pay the military, pay down the deficit/debt, replace income tax, magically pay for everything? How much do we have from those, again? Trump claims they are $200 billion total in 2025 but, again, Trump lies all the time about everything. By all means, let me know when he actually sends those checks out.

In an unrelated story, while I was writing this post, Dilbert died.

You may have missed it, but she's named the program to try to help farmers fucked by Trump's Tariff, probably using to refer to Trump. "A RAT" program.

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...itary-pentagon



RIP US military.

But hey, the US military will create a ton of child sexual assault material!

Really, Russia couldn't be doing a better job of completely gutting the US government.

and they won't have to use a black ops site in another country to do it.
PROGRESS!

- - - Updated - - -

I feel like I saw this somewhere else before, about 22 years ago. Oh yea....

Nah, Skynet was fed real information from smart sources.
Current AI is based on, well, the internet of today. Stuff from humans.
I mean, just look around. Really.
We get Homsar instead of Homestar.

[Darththeo]

Donald Trump suffers legal blow in his war against windmills

Imagine picking a fight with a fan, and losing.



Honestly, Trump being dunked on yet again in court is far less amusing than Trump watching Don Quixote and saying "Hold my Big Mac, taco bowl, ketchup, fries, more fries, and Diet Coke."

As a Connecticut native, I am glad he lost that.

[PenguinChan]

Right, that's why I added the Mack truck part. But what will it be like in 10 years, or even in 2029 at the end of his term?

We are no closer to AI / AGI than we were 6 years. In fact, tech-bro LLM's have potentially reversed progress because so many tech firms and investors are wasting a lot of time and energy into glorified algorithms. I am sure there is actual progress being made towards genuine AI behind the scenes but, I haven't dug deep for that.