Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Flarelaine]

Can we please not relitigate past voter choices again?

[Azadina]

Can we please not relitigate past voter choices again?

One might say that ignoring the past is why we're up shit creek without a paddle today.

[alach]

Can we please not relitigate past voter choices again?

huh? Me?
Voter regret is what is fueling this current blue wave.

[Flarelaine]

One might say that ignoring the past is why we're up shit creek without a paddle today.

huh? Me?
Voter regret is what is fueling this current blue wave.

Both are true but the topic tends to get personal within a page and has been played out several times already.

[Breccia]

Can we please not relitigate past voter choices again?

Sorry, do those belong in the Tilly Norwood thread?

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MTG and Alex Jones are calling for the 25th Amendment on donald j. trump.

They have company, at least in spirit.

Conservative influencer Laura Loomer sharply criticized the temporary ceasefire agreement reached by the U.S. and Iran on Tuesday evening, railing against diplomatic negotiations as a “negative for our country.”

Loomer slammed the deal repeatedly in a flurry of social media posts, starting shortly after President Trump announced the two-week pause on escalating strikes in the Middle East.

“We didn’t really get anything out of it and the terrorists in Iran are celebrating,” she wrote in one post on social platform X.

Loomer also predicted that the fragile ceasefire “will fail” and Trump would be “proven right” that the Iranian regime “needs to be wiped out.”

“The negotiation has been a failure so those who are celebrating while undermining Trump are misguided,” the influencer added. “This isn’t anything to write home about.”

Trump told ABC News’s Jonathan Karl on Wednesday that the U.S. was considering a “joint venture” with Iran to set up a toll booth system as a path to securing the chokepoint, which transports about one-fifth of the world’s oil supply daily.

Loomer warned that Iran could use the collections to “pad their bank accounts” to fund “terrorism for decades to come.”

[TACOshake]

Sorry, do those belong in the Tilly Norwood thread?

Sorry but Tilly Norwood is only for very-online aficionados that really appreciate her arc.

Man-babies about-to-hit-40 that cannot resolve their guilt for fucking up their 2016 vote, are more desperate for a Cataclysm reboot. They want to lose themselves there, instead of doing therapy.

/s

[fwc577]

Back when Musk and Trump tried sandbagging the last Supreme Court race back in 2025. Wisconsin Blues elected Susan Crawford with 1.3m votes and she beat Brad Schimel who had 1.0m votes, and this despite the fact that Musk / Trump seemed like they were trying to openly bribe people to vote.

If Schimel had won, there would've been more challenges and other cases brought to the court to help re-shape Wisconsin Elections as it would've given the WI Supreme Court race a 4-3 Conservative court.

So, now, we have the final vote totals are in from Wisconsin Spring Election this year. The question was, would this remain a 4-3 court with liberal control?

The answer by Wisconsin residents? Absolutely not.

We now have a 5-2 liberal court in Wisconsin with no chance to flip it until 2030.

Final vote totals:

Chris Taylor, WI Court of Appeals Judge and former Planned Parenthood Public Policy Director - 905,155

Maria Lazar - 600,044

That is quite a walloping for a Spring election.

60% to 40%.

This election has confirmed one thing. Wisconsin is fed up with Donald Trump and the Republicans.

[Breccia]

The Department of Justice has stated Pam Bondi will not appear on April 14 for a deposition since she is no longer Attorney General and was subpoenaed in her capacity as Attorney General

- the DOJ in a statement

Yep, we've discussed this before, but this is like saying "Your Honor, my client can't be guilty of stealing because he's no longer in the victim's house." She was AG when she was subpoena'd, firing her does not create time travel.

[Edge-]

- the DOJ in a statement

Yep, we've discussed this before, but this is like saying "Your Honor, my client can't be guilty of stealing because he's no longer in the victim's house." She was AG when she was subpoena'd, firing her does not create time travel.

hey

bill clinton could have said "i'm not president anymore, get bent"

and hillary could have said "i'm not secretary of state anymore, get bent"

incredible the precedents that republicans set again and again

[Xath]

Even more fundamental than this, he simply wants everyone paying attention to him. That's all any of this is at the core. For Trump, to be ignored would be a fate worse than death.

More importantly he wants desperately to distract from the files

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As someone who has spoken to many of them. You are correct, they are morons when dealing with anything that doesn’t interest them or is unrelated to their professions. Never once claimed otherwise. But, these are the people who stayed home. And if you need their votes, you have to actually motivate them to come out and vote for your people with something other than “They are way worse than I am!” Doesn’t matter if it’s true, that won’t motivate them to come out and vote against them knowing your the void in the spot were the alternative should be until the damage is done and they are voting on reflex and desperation. That vote will be a reactive vote after the fact. If you want them to come out to vote FOR you, you need to actually give them something and actually be proud to do it while pitching it.

If the average person wasn’t a moron, these shitty picks wouldn’t even be viable in a primary let alone the default. And the ones who campaign with funding and elevation tend to be those who do all they can to make sure the Democrats base stays home.

And we also have to admit that racism and sexism is still a thing with Sexism being even bigger that racism when it comes to leadership positions. A black woman was a bad option for at least another 20 years of letting old people die. Obama won because, to use a DnD term I learned, he basically rolled a natural 20 for charisma and after Bush Jr the Republicans brand was toxic as hell till they spent the next couple years blaming Obama for all bushes messes while also blocking stuff to fix it and also blaming Obama for not doing anything all while media tried to both sides shit and he was largely silent like he thought his record and their actions would stand for themselves even as he watched them lie about it all while the media just legitimized the lies.

So, the Democrats should have stuck with a white guy to neutralize a part of the racist and sexist protest votes or protesting by staying home. And they needed to vocally and proudly pushed for the stuff they wanted and not try and pivot towards the problems right after their conventions killing their voters desire in the process.

They thought that for every left leaning democrat they lost that they would gain 10 republicans. It failed for Clinton, it failed for Harris and they only reason Biden won was because of the immediate desperation vote of the time. Let’s hope they don’t repeat that mistake again unless they would rather a president JD Vance than a president progressive.

I don't disagree they should have run Kelly that said I legitimately have questions about the veracity of the general given the massive disparity between the general and downticket votes and that pedo don basically thanked Elon for carrying the election because he knows computers. Either way we have to somehow get actual midterms.

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Back when Musk and Trump tried sandbagging the last Supreme Court race back in 2025. Wisconsin Blues elected Susan Crawford with 1.3m votes and she beat Brad Schimel who had 1.0m votes, and this despite the fact that Musk / Trump seemed like they were trying to openly bribe people to vote.

If Schimel had won, there would've been more challenges and other cases brought to the court to help re-shape Wisconsin Elections as it would've given the WI Supreme Court race a 4-3 Conservative court.

So, now, we have the final vote totals are in from Wisconsin Spring Election this year. The question was, would this remain a 4-3 court with liberal control?

The answer by Wisconsin residents? Absolutely not.

We now have a 5-2 liberal court in Wisconsin with no chance to flip it until 2030.

Final vote totals:

Chris Taylor, WI Court of Appeals Judge and former Planned Parenthood Public Policy Director - 905,155

Maria Lazar - 600,044

That is quite a walloping for a Spring election.

60% to 40%.

This election has confirmed one thing. Wisconsin is fed up with Donald Trump and the Republicans.

The bigger story is a deep deep red Georgia district with honestly a weak dem candidate had a 20 point swing it was carried by 30 last time and looks to be sub 10. You don't waste strong candidates in this type of district but there was still that big of a swing.

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Not sure why so many people have taken to calling for the 25th Amendment lately, given that it's MUCH harder to do than to just impeach him. Invoking section 4 of the 25th Amendment requires not only that the trigger be pulled by Vance and the cabinet (i.e. the most loyal of Trump loyalists), but if Trump objects (and he obviously will) it requires a 2/3 majority of both chambers to remove him, versus just 51% in the House and 60% in the Senate.

It was designed to resolve the problem of the president being alive but incapacitated, which is why it's typically been invoked when the president is, say, being anesthetized for surgery. It was never meant for a president who's just an insane psychopath.

Because congress is perpetually on recess.

[Gorsameth]

The calls for the 25th also have another reason behind them, it doesn't require anyone to actually do anything. No congressmen has to offer his neck up to a literal lynch mob by introducing articles of impeachment. You call for it, Vance does nothing. The end. No one unduly sticks their neck out or has any expectation places upon them.

[Breccia]

How bad are things?

Vance to lead U.S. delegation at peace talks with Iran in Islamabad

This bad.

"Hey, this isn't the Iran thread!"

No. This is the "trump can't even be asked anymore, he's having the couchfucker step up" thread. trump knows everything he does fails and is throwing Vance to the Iranian wolves. Either Vance bats clean-up and trump takes credit, and spoiler no he won't/can't, or Vance fails and trump blames him, pretending he magically somehow isn't in charge.

trump is delegating what he's called the most impressive victory in history...to someone whose calls he screens. That is just sofa king lame.

[Gorsameth]

How bad are things?

Vance to lead U.S. delegation at peace talks with Iran in Islamabad

This bad.

"Hey, this isn't the Iran thread!"

No. This is the "trump can't even be asked anymore, he's having the couchfucker step up" thread. trump knows everything he does fails and is throwing Vance to the Iranian wolves. Either Vance bats clean-up and trump takes credit, and spoiler no he won't/can't, or Vance fails and trump blames him, pretending he magically somehow isn't in charge.

trump is delegating what he's called the most impressive victory in history...to someone whose calls he screens. That is just sofa king lame.

will those talks even happen considering the entire ceasefire has already gone up in smoke? lol.

[DarkAmbient]

Meanwhile, over in Hungary, VP Couch is complaining about EU interference while he attempts interference.

He claims the EU is undertaking "one of the worst examples of foreign election interference that I have ever seen". I think he is confusing russia, which is interfering big time, to the EU, which isn't.

This Guardian headline/photo combo is hilarious. Satire truly is dead.

[Breccia]

Vance is off to a start.

VP: Iran thought Lebanon was part of truce due to ‘legitimate misunderstanding,’ but we never agreed to that

This comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon, [but] we never made that promise. We never indicated that was going to be the case.

What we said is that the ceasefire would be focused on Iran, and… on America’s allies — both Israel and the Gulf Arab states

- I settee what he did there

"Was Vance there?"

No.

"Does Vance think a deal would be made in which the US got to protect all its allies, but Iran got nothing of the same kind?"

No. He wasn't there and had no say.

"Isn't this the sort of thing that people have things written down on paper for? Things they can read, and sign? Something you can point to and say 'read this part on page five'?"

Typically, yes. Under the current circumstances, I think we're seeing why a vague undisclosed oral request isn't really all that useful. Besides, I honestly think they were.

The Iran-US Ceasefire terms are clear and explicit: the US must choose – ceasefire or continued war via Israel. It cannot have both

- Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi possibly quoting Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, two people who were involved in the cease-fire, which JD Vance was not

Vance: Israel offered to restrain strikes in Lebanon during U.S.-Iran talks

"...the first round?"

No.

"Oh. So they'll stop attacking?"

No.

That said, the Israelis have actually offered to check themselves a little bit in Lebanon because they want to make sure that our negotiation is successful. That's not because that is part of the ceasefire. I think that's the Israelis trying to set us up for success.

- man who puts the "love" in "love seat"

"What does 'check themselves a little bit' mean?"

I guess, instead of launching 100 attacks, launching only 95?

JD Vance says Iran would be ‘dumb’ to let talks collapse over Lebanon

If Iran wants to let this negotiation fall apart – in a conflict where they were getting hammered – over Lebanon, which has nothing to do with them and which the United States never once said was part of the ceasefire, that’s ultimately their choice

- man who believes in safe sectionals

"Is the US getting hammered over Israel?"

Yes.

"Does he not see the irony?"

I believe he does, yes, he's just not allowed to say it.

[Edge-]

https://newrepublic.com/post/208820/...d-donald-trump

Did you know that Donald and Pete threatened the Pope?

“The United States,” Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, “has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

Donald and Pete threatened the Pope. An American, by the way.

[Endus]

Vance is off to a start.

VP: Iran thought Lebanon was part of truce due to ‘legitimate misunderstanding,’ but we never agreed to that

Hey, dumbfuck (Vance, not you Breccia);

If you "come to an agreement" and one of the parties to that agreement does not agree with the terms of that agreement as you define them, there is in fact no agreement at all. Unless you can present the actual text and it clearly does not reference Lebanon in any way, even implicitly, then we have to assume Iran's understanding is legitimate, and you're just covering for Donny's little diaper escape moment.

[Belize]

https://newrepublic.com/post/208820/...d-donald-trump

Did you know that Donald and Pete threatened the Pope?



Donald and Pete threatened the Pope. An American, by the way.

Does America have the military power to do what it wants...?

Why uh... Why isn't the Straight of Hormuz open then...

[Captain N]

Donald and Pete threatened the Pope. An American, by the way.

But Leo is a Chicagoan and we all know what Donnie thinks of Illinois.

[Xath]

https://newrepublic.com/post/208820/...d-donald-trump

Did you know that Donald and Pete threatened the Pope?



Donald and Pete threatened the Pope. An American, by the way.

Is it weird that I'm actually impressed that any of the lackeys knew enough about history to create a coherent threat that didn't devolve into them screaming loudly and possibly pounding the table like a toddler?