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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    This is a very good post.
    It's not mine. I found it on Snopes. Every quote is correct, although Snopes does point out Trump said other things not on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    so...for those of us that are already low income, this looks like we have to pay it back in our 2020 taxes because we dont make enough to have over 1200 in refunds.
    Oh...the relief check will be taxable income? Gotta say, I missed that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It's not mine. I found it on Snopes. Every quote is correct, although Snopes does point out Trump said other things not on the list.

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    Oh...the relief check will be taxable income? Gotta say, I missed that part.
    no. It looks like its an advance of our 2020 refunds, where its taken directly out of how much refunds we would normally get. So If you normally get a 3k refund, in 2020 you'll only get 1800.

    To me, that looks like I'll need ot pay it back because I only got 24$ in refund this year, and likely wont get any mroe than that next year. Unless Im not understanding how this works, which is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    I honestly do not know what's worse here. The fact our federal leadership is so inept that we're relying on the state governments and certain corporations to fight this battle that we seem to be losing on a daily basis. Or maybe it's the people that continue to defend Trump's actions as more and more Americans bodies pile up because they were more focused on what Nancy Pelosi did with the last version of the bill. Either way everyone needs to stay safe...it's going to get a hell of a lot worse with both of those things combined.
    I agree



    Stay safe. Stay alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    So, interesting - look at the March 6 time frame. Where he drops the transcript nonsense, in the middle of mentioning the tests being perfect.
    Besides my favorite, the top one on the list, I like the Feb 26 lines about the number of cases heading down (to zero).

    There are over sixty thousand cases now. Again, of those sixty thousand, one thousand died.

    By the way, a pre-emptive middle finger to anyone who even thinks about posting "Well it's Trump's job as Cheerleader-in-Chief to keep the morale of the country up" because flat-out lying to the country about a lethal threat is not his job -- protecting America from threats is. The fat orange fatass who said he'd run into a school shooting told America it was under control when it wasn't. He lied. And he didn't act. Then he tried to blame Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    no. It looks like its an advance of our 2020 refunds, where its taken directly out of how much refunds we would normally get. So If you normally get a 3k refund, in 2020 you'll only get 1800.
    ...it's a loan. Okay. It would have been better if it was taxable income (at least, better for the recipients).

    I mean, I know the money doesn't magically appear out of thin air. Well, I guess all those people who said "bank it until I need it" are making the smart play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Unless Im not understanding how this works, which is possible.
    Yeah, this is all new and I'm not reading 200 or whatever pages to find out.

    Fuck me decaffeinated, it's 883 pages.

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    883. god damn.

    Props to all the tax preppers out there who have to go through this stuff.

    Eh, guess I'll just need to save even harder.

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    Apparently, the bill has extra help for farmers. Specifically, there's a kind of Ag Dept "slush fund" called the Commodity Credit Corp, set up during the stock market crash of last month the Great Depression. Trump's been using it for his socialist bailout of farmers due to the trade war with China he started. This bill adds to it, but does not specify that the money has to go to those farmers impacted by the coronavirus. That amount is +$14 billion.

    That's in addition to the +$9.5 billion for farmers being hurt by the coronavirus. So the "oh, but clearly the $14 billion was for the coronavirus victims" is pretty demonstrably false. It's actually there because Phase One is effectively dead.

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    Oh, and to drive this point home one last time: McConnell officially dismisses the Senate until April 20.

    Which is a week past Easter.

    Even McConnell doesn't believe Trump. Nobody believes Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Besides my favorite, the top one on the list, I like the Feb 26 lines about the number of cases heading down (to zero).

    There are over sixty thousand cases now. Again, of those sixty thousand, one thousand died.

    By the way, a pre-emptive middle finger to anyone who even thinks about posting "Well it's Trump's job as Cheerleader-in-Chief to keep the morale of the country up" because flat-out lying to the country about a lethal threat is not his job -- protecting America from threats is. The fat orange fatass who said he'd run into a school shooting told America it was under control when it wasn't. He lied. And he didn't act. Then he tried to blame Biden.

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    ...it's a loan. Okay. It would have been better if it was taxable income (at least, better for the recipients).

    I mean, I know the money doesn't magically appear out of thin air. Well, I guess all those people who said "bank it until I need it" are making the smart play.

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    Yeah, this is all new and I'm not reading 200 or whatever pages to find out.

    Fuck me decaffeinated, it's 883 pages.
    Please tell me it's not a loan. It is not a loan. It can not be a loan.

    Anyways, this comment from another web site wins the internet:

    President Trump has requested that all states delay reporting unemployment numbers until the end of November.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Please tell me it's not a loan. It is not a loan. It can not be a loan.
    Again, based on the information we have right now, if it's taken from your 2020 refund, yes, it is a loan.

    When more concrete details come from someone better trained than I to read the bill and describe it, I think we'll all want to see them.

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    So can we, like, refuse the money then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    So can we, like, refuse the money then?
    Of course not. Who is going to pay for that $500 billion in corporate welfare that the Administration gets to hand pick who receives it?

    Gotta make sure the average American is fronting the bill for Trump's re-election campaign.

    (I really wish I could be sarcastic with these comments)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain N View Post
    Of course not. Who is going to pay for that $500 billion in corporate welfare that the Administration gets to hand pick who receives it?

    Gotta make sure the average American is fronting the bill for Trump's re-election campaign.

    (I really wish I could be sarcastic with these comments)
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
    I understand that and I know that Trump and his kids aren't allowed to touch it. However knowing Republicans they'll exploit some loophole where Trump can give Company X $100 billion and they turn around an donate a bunch of money to his campaign. They'd still be abiding by all the rules they agreed to but still pulled shady shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently part of the compromise bill that got passed has a Congressional oversight committee to keep an eye on the 500 billion dollars.
    It's not a Congressional Oversight committee, but an independent inspector general, specifically for that fund. And as Schumer said, nepotism rules are in place so no Administration person or Congress critter can direct funds to, say, his own hotels or golf clubs. Neither can his children, his spouse, his in-laws, or his childrens' in-laws.

    As someone earlier in the thread said, we'll see how much oversight (and how much they can actually stop) will be possible. Especially since the fund is at the Treasury under Mnuchin's dirty paws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    I'd call Trump's bluff and say fuck your lawsuits, he usually loses them anyways. And fuck his hypocritical ass calling someone else twisting his words when his crap on facebook and other social media has literal deep fakes and conspiracies promoting him where nothing will be done.
    By the time this goes to court, the courts will be under lockdown to prevent further infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    For comparison.
    On Jan 27, 2020. Joe Biden wrote explaining how serious the coronavirus can become and how he would handle it.
    President has blithely tweeted that 'it will all work out well.' Yet the steps he has taken have only weakened our capacity to respond.

    At that time Bernie was blasting that Joe Rogan had endorsed him.


    Those days...
    Creating division among democrats is good for what exactly?

    Other than being allowed to throw childish tantrums that people don't admire your candidate as much and becoming part of another cult like sheep mentality. Four years of that on the republican side wasn't enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    It's not a Congressional Oversight committee, but an independent inspector general, specifically for that fund. And as Schumer said, nepotism rules are in place so no Administration person or Congress critter can direct funds to, say, his own hotels or golf clubs. Neither can his children, his spouse, his in-laws, or his childrens' in-laws.

    As someone earlier in the thread said, we'll see how much oversight (and how much they can actually stop) will be possible. Especially since the fund is at the Treasury under Mnuchin's dirty paws.
    Regardless, the compromise bill that passed actually has oversight for the fund, unlike the original GOP version which was a slush fund that Trump could do whatever he wanted with. What we got is miles better than the shitshow that was originally proposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    lol what part of Texas? All the areas with good economies, and with a large amount of people, are heavily affected by this.
    The economy is generally where the people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Oh, and to drive this point home one last time: McConnell officially dismisses the Senate until April 20.

    Which is a week past Easter.

    Even McConnell doesn't believe Trump. Nobody believes Trump.
    Trump does not believe Trump.

    Let's have a brief but revealing look at the future.

    Beep Beep Beep … < noise from the time machine>

    Date: July 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    The Do Noting Democrats & the Fake Media are trying to blame me for the deaths of many Americans when in fact we were the first to respond!!. We were the first to close borders from China and we were the first to claim we needed a temporary stop as soon as early March but the American people knows the truth.Saved many lives!!! Go November!!
    20 minutes later,same location...

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    Many ,many americans have lost their jobs because a lot of governors framed by the ConMedia didn't listened when I said we needed to get back to work at Easter.They inflicted a disease on this country worse than the Chinese Virus. I warned them, I understand this country better than anyone but they didn't listen. They should have listen!! They should listen to me now!!
    With Trump America will be stronger than ever!!! Go November!!
    This Easter bullshit got nothing to do with any real expectations of having an optimistic curve of cases come that that date.
    The real goals are two:

    1) Appease a rather large portion of his donors and supporters that have absolutely no problem bathing in a pool of blood as long as they had the pool and that try to hide their criminal greed in patriotism:"It's not me!! It's the country"...No....it's really them.

    2) Inbreed in his supporters the "Easter" concept (the new Benghazi) so he can't be blamed for the economic earthquake that is coming. His supporters will blame governors and democrats and even Fauci of the jobs lost because he explicitly wanted to open in Easter ( this is a psychological date: not randomly selected) and everyone ignored him.

    Trump needs simple ,diggested in seconds messages and his new message is "Easter".

    Now, anyone with basic understanding of logic will say:"But...he is supporting one measure and the opposite…at the same time!!!".

    Yeah,that's the magic of Trump. He will claim that he supported the lockdown ( saving lives) and that he supported opening the lockdown ( saving jobs) so he did an amazing work ( best in the world!!!) and is responsible for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    His accusation is that it's hard to dispute unemployment based on whether you quit or were fired, IE that people are fraudulently saying they were fired when they quit. How true is that statement? Is it hard to dispute?
    PA, when my assistant manager quit, she filed for unemployment. HR called, I said "No, she quit." Claim denied. Not appealed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    havent visited this thread in awhile oh look page 2020 what a coincidence
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimiOne View Post
    Trump does not believe Trump.

    Let's have a brief but revealing look at the future.

    Beep Beep Beep … < noise from the time machine>

    Date: July 2020
    Location: Twittersphere

    *SNIP*
    Fake news, not enough caps, but sounds about right.

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