Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Yes... /10

...god damnit.

In other news - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...icans-created/

I didn't realize that Trump and Massie used to be so close.

Also, the article is god-damned right. Massie, like Trump, isn't "the problem", but a symptom of the bigger problem. Which is that the Republican party has been completely co-opted by nutters that have rewarded this kind of pointless, dangerous behavior.

LOL, he just called Murdoch's newspaper, the Wallstreet Journal, fake news. Wonder how Murdoch is going to respond to that.

By putting it on the front page and selling more copies, I imagine.

[Acidbaron]

LOL, he just called Murdoch's newspaper, the Wallstreet Journal, fake news. Wonder how Murdoch is going to respond to that.

Within a week or at most two, everything but Fox news will be fake news by his standard and only they will attend white house pressers.

[Breccia]

United Airlines is probably not alone in getting out in front of the problem, by which I mean, announcing publicly their plan to take the bailout money but still lay people off.

I don't even care if they're being perfectly innocently honest or money-grubbing fuckwits. The fact that anyone's saying this is alarming. $2.2 trillion is a massive amount of money, and people are saying "that's not enough" even before the ink is dry.

[Edge-]

Within a week or at most two, everything but Fox news will be fake news by his standard and only they will attend white house pressers.

Fox has already fallen into "FAKE NEWS" territory repeatedly. He likes Hannity and Dobbs and a few others, but he's no longer blindly in love with Fox.

I think his favorite now is One America News Network, which is basically Fox if every news show was hosted by Hannity and his bunch of loonies.

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United Airlines is probably not alone in getting out in front of the problem, by which I mean, announcing publicly their plan to take the bailout money but still lay people off.

I don't even care if they're being perfectly innocently honest or money-grubbing fuckwits. The fact that anyone's saying this is alarming. $2.2 trillion is a massive amount of money, and people are saying "that's not enough" even before the ink is dry.

If only companies had some cash reserves to see them through hard times. Something like a "rainy day" fund...something that maybe they could have been saving for with some kind of tax cut that would leave them with more quarterly profits due to a reduced tax burden.

That would be a neat concept, eh?

[Inuyaki]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...64170496688129
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There are 2 more tweets in that thread

hmm, what happens now? Senate is not in session anymore to override the vetos? I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh. Any American can enlighten me?


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Can he even veto single items? He can't, right?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...64170496688129
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There are 2 more tweets in that thread

hmm, what happens now? Senate is not in session anymore to override the vetos? I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh. Any American can enlighten me?


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Can he even veto single items? He can't, right?

Signing statements allow him some level of power to do this, yes. I'm not sure the legality of all these moves specifically, but they do allow the president the ability to make limited alterations to legislation that pass their disk.

This is another thing that I doubt anyone expected presidents to abuse that Trump seems more than happy to abuse.

[beanman12345]

LOL, he just called Murdoch's newspaper, the Wallstreet Journal, fake news. Wonder how Murdoch is going to respond to that.

He's called Fox News fake news too, especially their polling because it's never favorable to him. 99% of Fox is favorable to him, but when it isn't, it's fake news. Especially when that Shepperd guy used to work there.

[Dontrike]

AOC out there doing her best "Look at me I'm still important don't forget me" act on the House floor.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1243549110180941824


I'd post this in the "Democrat Sh*tshow thread", but we don't have that, so it's going here.

So you admit to posting off topic while complaining that someone is actually doing their job. What's the point of this post again?

[Inuyaki]

Signing statements allow him some level of power to do this, yes. I'm not sure the legality of all these moves specifically, but they do allow the president the ability to make limited alterations to legislation that pass their disk.

This is another thing that I doubt anyone expected presidents to abuse that Trump seems more than happy to abuse.

House and Senate do not have to reconfirm?

I mean the stuff he wants to change is obviously an important part for the Dems

[Breccia]

I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh

Trump didn't use the word "veto". He can't. The US has no line-item veto.

He just said "I see this law, I sign this law, I'm just not going to follow it." Trump considers himself without oversight, and even though the restrictions were a major part of the Democrats getting on board, he's going to ignore those restrictions and do what he wants anyhow in direct violation of the law he signed in public.

EDIT: Remember, the issue is this IG role going to Team Trump and asking for information like "how are you spending this money", Team Trump refusing to answer, and now, Trump wants to block this IG from telling Congress that he asked Team Trump for information, and was blocked. Although, quite frankly, the IG could probably do it anyhow.

EDIT EDIT OH GOD INCEPTION: I misread, the IG is in the Treasury. So, Congress is asking for info, Team Trump is just refusing to answer, even though he signed the law saying he had to.

[Edge-]

House and Senate do not have to reconfirm?

I mean the stuff he wants to change is obviously an important part for the Dems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement

Nope. This is a more recent thing, at least in terms of it changing bills in various ways, but it's still not a power expressly restricted.

What we've discovered under this administration is actually how few constraints there are on the executive branch. Almost every time people have asked, "But...can he even DO that?" the answer is usually "Yes, because there is no law specifically restricting that."

Which has rarely been a major issue as presidents have abided by rules and norms and not sought to abuse and exploit the powers of the presidency. It's part of the fantastic civics lesson for all of us that is this administration.

[Kaleredar]

So you admit to posting off topic while complaining that someone is actually doing their job. What's the point of this post again?

They're getting so desperate to convince, or at least distract... I really don't know who... from realizing Trump's complete and utter mishandling of the situation that they'll post random disparaging nonsense pointed at the democrats in an attempt to... I guess make them look worse so that Trump appears better?

It's sad at this point. And then they don't even stick around to even attempt to defend their nonsense.

But it's a valuable insight into their mind. They just ignore what Trump does... wholesale. They've tuned themselves to react and engage only to things the democrats do.

[Waniou]

Trump considers himself without oversight,

To be fair, the Senate did vote earlier this year that he's without oversight apparently.

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...idUSKBN21E3FQ?

And nobody wants the fucking country "open by Easter". It's one of the rare moments Americans can come together on a bipartisan basis to agree that yes, Trumps idea is fucking dumb as shit.

[beanman12345]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...64170496688129
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There are 2 more tweets in that thread

hmm, what happens now? Senate is not in session anymore to override the vetos? I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh. Any American can enlighten me?


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Can he even veto single items? He can't, right?

Technically no, but when has a little thing like the law ever stopped him from doing whatever he wants.

[Skulltaker]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...scAFG4uQCnFalQ

So, remember how the Trump administration said the reason they didn't take test kits was because they were unreliable?

Well, they're pretty much wrong from top to bottom.

The study they cite was from China and was focused on test kits produced there.

The kits that the US rejected were produced in Germany.

The study also didn't look at the performance of the test, but rather to testing on a-symptomatic individuals.

And it was retracted within days of publishing it.

TLDR: The administrations story on why they turned down test kits is still bad.

I'd like to slightly weigh in on this. Just some fun trivia.

The first set of these 'German-engineered tests' were the ones developed by Dr. Dorsten and his team at the Berliner Charité. And they actually have a downside. *GASP*

They test for certain markers that are produced in the natural incubation and procreation process of SARS-CoV2 viruses. These markers are also found in the 'remains' of other strands of decaying Coronaviruses. So in theory, the test can give you a false positive for Covid-19. WHAT? GERMANS LIED TO US? Not so fast.

This 'fact' has been repeated by many conspiracy theorists all over German social media in the past few weeks. And, from a technical standpoint, I don't think Dr. Dorsten should have neglected to mention this. But, before we all get angry at ze germans:

A fact neglected to mention by all these conspiracy theories is that the other strains of Corona this test would give you a positive for have never been proven to infect Homo Sapiens. So any reasonable person would understand that, while the test technically doesn't test exclusively for Covid-19, as long as you only apply it to humans, and not Pangolins and several species of Bat, it's accurate.

I assume Trump read this report and filtered the term 'false positive' out as a bottom line to take away from it.

[PhaelixWW]

I assume Trump read this report...

Whoa, whoa, whoa... let me stop you right there.

How big was the font, did it fit on one page, and did it have pictures?

Because...

EDIT: And did someone remember to take away his sharpie?

[Blur4stuff]

I have a feeling Trump is going to manage to funnel millions, if not billions of this stimulus to himself and friends in exchange for favors/debt payoff.

[Inuyaki]

Trump says he's directed Pence not to call governors who aren't 'grateful' for federal aid

[Odinfrost]

Trump says he's directed Pence not to call governors who aren't 'grateful' for federal aid

Donald J. Trump, president of the United States, protector to its people, but apparently only to those who sucks his shroomy dingus.