Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Ripster42]

Wanting to mine the grand canyon is just sickening.

What?

[wunksta]

What?

Came up a few times last year and then Trump brought it back up recently. Biden mentioned it in a recent tweet.

President Donald Trump’s $1.5 billion proposal to prop up the country’s nuclear fuel industry has emboldened at least one company to take steps toward boosting operations at dormant uranium mines around the West, including outside Grand Canyon National Park.

https://apnews.com/06d99ee066302f91dded79a83ea21b19

New Trump Nuclear Plan Favors Uranium Mining Bordering the Grand Canyon
The administration, seeking to restore America’s “competitive nuclear advantage,” also wants to create a $150 million uranium reserve in the coming decade.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...on-coronavirus

The Trump administration is signaling a renewed push to consider uranium mining near the Grand Canyon, a move that would undoubtedly ignite a political fight involving environmentalists and the mining industry.

The issue of lifting the mining moratorium near the Grand Canyon surfaced briefly last year when former Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, under pressure from conservationists, indicated he would not revisit the ban.

“The Secretary has no intention to revisit uranium mining in and around the canyon and has made exactly zero moves to suggest otherwise,” former Interior spokeswoman Heather Swift tweeted at the time.

However, Interior Secretary David Bernhardt, a former energy lobbyist whose clients included mining companies, has made no such pledge.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...r-grand-canyon

Biden says he opposes uranium mining around Grand Canyon, citing importance to tribes

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/3322661001/

Will likely be a big debate issue to swing voters.

[Gorsameth]

Yeah, I thought being pardoned for his crimes still meant he wouldn't be allowed to seek office but apparently it's all okay so long as someone far enough up the ladder says so! Stay safe out there, friend.

Its the difference between a Pardon and Commuting a sentence.
A Pardon effectively removes the consequences of conviction so he can vote or hold office.
A commuted sentence means you don't have to serve time, but are still otherwise treated as having been convicted, so no right to vote or hold office.

[Benggaul]

Its the difference between a Pardon and Commuting a sentence.
A Pardon effectively removes the consequences of conviction so he can vote or hold office.
A commuted sentence means you don't have to serve time, but are still otherwise treated as having been convicted, so no right to vote or hold office.

Ugh, you know what, I knew that. Roger Stone's sentence, for example, was commuted. Thanks for setting me straight; there's so much shit to keep track of these past few years.

[Thepersona]

So, Dotard Tang signed some EOs and memoranda for... something. Can someone chime in? Because, as far as i know, this solves nothing, does nothing, and only counts as short term PR, that will fall out in a week, when the money isnt actually delivered.

[draynay]

So, Dotard Tang signed some EOs and memoranda for... something. Can someone chime in? Because, as far as i know, this solves nothing, does nothing, and only counts as short term PR, that will fall out in a week, when the money isnt actually delivered.

Trump is spending money he doesn't have, nobody is gonna get paid, standard stuff for him.

[Thepersona]

He defunded social security and medicare...

I see... So he actually made the problem worse.

[solinari6]

He defunded social security and medicare...

I'm not sure about that, since it's only a payroll tax deferral. Those taxes still need to be paid at some point. I'm sure that will come as a surprise to a lot of people on their taxes next year!

[Hinastorm]

Even assuming no one sues over it, no one is going to see a fucking dime from the EO regarding unemployment for months. Such a fucking farce.

[draynay]

I see... So he actually made the problem worse.

That's his job.

[arandomuser]

Dems should sue and stop trumps executive orders
they are illegal

[Templar 331]

Dems should sue and stop trumps executive orders
they are illegal

I agree but the optics would be kind of bad. Which is what I'm sure Trump is hoping for.

"The Dems stopped you from getting your money!!"

[Ursus]

Trump is spending money he doesn't have, nobody is gonna get paid, standard stuff for him.

The problem with Trumpism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

[arandomuser]

I agree but the optics would be kind of bad. Which is what I'm sure Trump is hoping for.

"The Dems stopped you from getting your money!!"

if that mattered obama wouldnt of lost the midterms in 2012 and 2014
it was literally " i want money to stimulate the economy"
and republicans literally ran on "dont tread on me"
although i think people have realized it wasnt actually about opposing economic stimiulus, it was the fact that republican talk radio infused it into peoples head that their money was going to scary brown people, but regardless even the republican majority scotus would make an easy ruling based on constitution power of taxation and spending is with congress

[Templar 331]

if that mattered obama wouldnt of lost the midterms in 2012 and 2014

I'm not saying it matters since Trump's fanbase would believe him no matter what. I'm just saying he's setting up this situation for political points.

[arandomuser]

I'm not saying it matters since Trump's fanbase would believe him no matter what. I'm just saying he's setting up this situation for political points.

well theres not much we can do to convince nationalist socialist, anyone who supports trumps order is one, they are ok with socialist economic policy if its done by a"nationalist" IE nationalist socialism, which to me based on history im not making any parallels to any party they had a similar ideology but its pretty fucking scary, and thats why going to scotus matters, just like impeachment, was impeachment the most politically expedient thing to do? but as vindman said ( who was later a victim of government speech supression yet got no david brooks or bari weiss articles) Here right matters

[kaid]

I agree but the optics would be kind of bad. Which is what I'm sure Trump is hoping for.

"The Dems stopped you from getting your money!!"

Given the states are on a hook for a bunch of that money I assume both red and blue states both wind up sueing for it.

[Blur4stuff]

Trump is flailing about doing whatever he thinks will get him some votes. Gonna be exciting seeing how much more damage he does in the next several weeks.

[Breccia]

I agree but the optics would be kind of bad. Which is what I'm sure Trump is hoping for.

"The Dems stopped you from getting your money!!"

Which is at best a con and at worst a lie. Let me explain.

First, he signed these E.O.'s reducing the unemployment payment, telling them to get back to work, from his own private golf club.

But more importantly, let's talk numbers.

Trump ended the negotiations with House and Senate Democrats by saying even their reduced plan cost too much. He threw out their stimulus one-time payment, which we know to be $1,200. And it would have happened immediately.

Someone earning $60,000 a year would pay about $620 in SS taxes between their enactment in Sept 1 to the election. This would be added slowly over time.

If you're facing an August eviction, Trump's plan will not help. And no, Trump did not block evictions, he just said he'd try to make them harder.

And the payroll taxes, when you do eventually get them drizzled into your bank account, are of course lower for lower-wage Americans. $60,000 is a rough average that makes the numbers easier.

But that's not the real kicker, even though it's bad enough. Trump said he "might" make the SS tax deferrment longer, and forgiven...if he's re-elected.

So once again, he's a 24 hour challenge for...fuck it, literally everyone this time.

If Trump has the power to just forgive Social Security taxes and he also thinks it's a good idea, why doesn't he just do it, right now? Like sit down, and sign it, with all the others? Like, right now?

Is it because he can't do it, and it's an empty promise?

Is it because he's lying?

Is it because he's trying to bribe America to re-elect him?

If it's a good idea, and he has the power, why didn't he do it immediately? Like, right now? Let's hear from literally everyone this time. Trump supporters who fail to address the issue are branded cowards and also I get to pick for them. Everyone else, fire at will.

[Kaleredar]

I see... So he actually made the problem worse.

Well to be fair, that could be applied to every single thing Trump has done since taking office.