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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Not sure what department your wife works in, but it's primarily the ICU beds that's the issue. People who are sick but aren't life-threatening aren't likely to be taking up hospital beds and will usually just be quarantining at home, but people who are so bad they need to be on some form of life support (ventilators, etc..) are going to need ICU beds. Of course some hospitals may convert "normal" rooms to ICU if possible, but that's not always feasible.
    I’m not sure exactly what her floor does either, but I know her first Covid patient came in with something like respiratory failure. After they had stabilized the patient, the patient was supposed to go to rehab or something, which requires a Covid screening before admitting, and the patient tested positive... she sees other patients with varying issues as well. I do know that they assume their Covid patients are contagious, and don’t assign Covid nurses with patients that have compromised immunity systems.
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    Trump posts video of his supporters surrounding the Democrat's bus and adds "I LOVE TEXAS!"

    That is Trump supporting literal terrorism. Trying to change an election through the use of threats or force is terrorism. Trump is supporting terrorism.

    This...might be bigger than a 24-hour challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump posts video of his supporters surrounding the Democrat's bus and adds "I LOVE TEXAS!"

    That is Trump supporting literal terrorism. Trying to change an election through the use of threats or force is terrorism. Trump is supporting terrorism.

    This...might be bigger than a 24-hour challenge.
    I want Texas to go blue even more now. Fuck these vanilla ISIS assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    I want Texas to go blue even more now. Fuck these vanilla ISIS assholes.
    The official moniker is Ya'll Qaeda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    Fuck these vanilla ISIS assholes.
    Y'all Qaeda.

    It's worth pointing out someting: 538 has kept track of Trump's approval/disapproval for every day in office.

    When he took the Oath of Office, to mostly empty crowds and lying to people that it was raining on that it wasn't raining on them, he had 45% approval 41% disapprove.

    Now, he is back up to 44% approval, back down to 53% disapproval.

    Trump has basically turned 12% of the country against him. They were undecided voters. THey seem pretty decided now. And the recent change, Trump getting like a percent or two back, is irrelevant to those that have already voted. Maybe he didn't lose much of his base (again, they are far more demoralized than Democrats, less likely to early vote/mail in votes because Trump said that was fraud, they might see the lines and bail), but he defiitely lost independents, moderates, and "they're both bad" voters.

    Trump Can Still Win, But The Polls Would Have To Be Off By Way More Than In 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Y'all Qaeda.

    It's worth pointing out someting: 538 has kept track of Trump's approval/disapproval for every day in office.

    When he took the Oath of Office, to mostly empty crowds and lying to people that it was raining on that it wasn't raining on them, he had 45% approval 41% disapprove.

    Now, he is back up to 44% approval, back down to 53% disapproval.

    Trump has basically turned 12% of the country against him. They were undecided voters. THey seem pretty decided now. And the recent change, Trump getting like a percent or two back, is irrelevant to those that have already voted. Maybe he didn't lose much of his base (again, they are far more demoralized than Democrats, less likely to early vote/mail in votes because Trump said that was fraud, they might see the lines and bail), but he defiitely lost independents, moderates, and "they're both bad" voters.

    Trump Can Still Win, But The Polls Would Have To Be Off By Way More Than In 2016.
    Here's hoping that 12% of the country he pissed off have been going out to vote in spades.
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    Words to live by.

  7. #59647
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    In NC, a group of protestors held an unofficial march -- they didn't get permits -- to encourage people to vote and decry police violence.

    The police pepper sprayed them.
    They had permits, and the march was planned in advance with the police aware and providing an escort, according to the reports on twitter from organizers. Given that this was a march to the polls to vote, the police engaged in voter intimidation. I hope the police actions are investigated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Not sure what department your wife works in, but it's primarily the ICU beds that's the issue. People who are sick but aren't life-threatening aren't likely to be taking up hospital beds and will usually just be quarantining at home, but people who are so bad they need to be on some form of life support (ventilators, etc..) are going to need ICU beds. Of course some hospitals may convert "normal" rooms to ICU if possible, but that's not always feasible.
    I hope that isn't true in the US.

    One of the things people have learned from earlier is that it is better to treat patients with less intensive care; and thus there should now be a smaller percentage i ICU beds and more in normal hospital beds (possibly getting additional oxygen without ventilator, steroids, etc when needed), but with the possibility to quickly move them to ICU when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Y'all Qaeda.

    It's worth pointing out someting: 538 has kept track of Trump's approval/disapproval for every day in office.

    When he took the Oath of Office, to mostly empty crowds and lying to people that it was raining on that it wasn't raining on them, he had 45% approval 41% disapprove.

    Now, he is back up to 44% approval, back down to 53% disapproval.

    Trump has basically turned 12% of the country against him. They were undecided voters. THey seem pretty decided now. And the recent change, Trump getting like a percent or two back, is irrelevant to those that have already voted. Maybe he didn't lose much of his base (again, they are far more demoralized than Democrats, less likely to early vote/mail in votes because Trump said that was fraud, they might see the lines and bail), but he defiitely lost independents, moderates, and "they're both bad" voters.

    Trump Can Still Win, But The Polls Would Have To Be Off By Way More Than In 2016.
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.

  10. #59650
    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    A good number of them are religious extremists who think Republicans are going to bring about a Christian US and ban abortion and gays. They would support any Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    That's the problem with cultists. Once the koolaid has been drank, it's over. No amount of sense will ever get through to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    A few are trolls, but for the most part they're just poorly educated simpletons that are easily duped by fear laden propaganda. "God, Guns, and Country" is a slogan I've seen on a lot of Trump signs. These folks have been bombarded for decades with the idea that without the first two, the third will be lost. It doesn't matter who tells them those lies, they will swallow them up hook, line, and sinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    A lot claim that Trump was good for the economy.

    I'm not saying that it's correct, merely that it's a common idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    A few are trolls, but for the most part they're just poorly educated simpletons that are easily duped by fear laden propaganda. "God, Guns, and Country" is a slogan I've seen on a lot of Trump signs. These folks have been bombarded for decades with the idea that without the first two, the third will be lost. It doesn't matter who tells them those lies, they will swallow them up hook, line, and sinker.
    Yeah but, 44%. America can't be this stupid. Or maybe it is and I am just fooling myself.

    It seems like my whole company of about 60 employees is Republican. And these are people I respect and joke around with. A few are gun nuts, a few hardcore christians. They can't say anything supportive of Trump. So I rarely hear his name as I walk around the office. But my god, the Fox News watercooler chatter about liberals coming for your rights and money has increased in the last few weeks. Everything from minimum wage boogymen to misinformation about healthcare policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    Yeah but, 44%. America can't be this stupid. Or maybe it is and I am just fooling myself.

    It seems like my whole company of about 60 employees is Republican. And these are people I respect and joke around with. A few are gun nuts, a few hardcore christians. They can't say anything supportive of Trump. So I rarely hear his name as I walk around the office. But my god, the Fox News watercooler chatter about liberals coming for your rights and money has increased in the last few weeks. Everything from minimum wage boogymen to misinformation about healthcare policy.
    I think the worse part is that it is Trump if these people were following some charismatic smart politician that would be different but they have fallen for the equivalent of Mr. Bean. This goes to show you how powerful propaganda is, I know people who are voting for Trump educated and until now I thought smart people who spew that Fox News BS.

    It's part propaganda, part us versus them other part is that they voted for Trump in 2016 and they see any attack on him as an attack on themselves so they support him no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    A lot claim that Trump was good for the economy.
    Without evidence.

    The trade war with China failed, he never got the job growth rate he promised, he never got the GDP growth rate he promised, the deficit was ballooning out of control (and he did sign every budget...eventually), and Trump single-tiny-handedly created the biggest tax increase on Americans ever made, which depending on your income level, either ate into, or removed, any benefit from the tax cut for the rich.

    He did see unemployment lower, the DOW go up, and wage growth rise, but at an Obama-like rate for both.

    Then 2020 happened, and because Trump did not take the steps he claims he did, almost all of the above has been destroyed.

    If someone says "Trump was good for the economy" the question to ask is "How?"

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    Team Trump calls the latest economic report a "game changer" for Trump.

    "It's amazing," I paraphrase them, "all you have to do is ignore the first half of 2020 and call Q3 'growth' instead of 'partial recovery' and ignore all context and logic. Suddenly Trump is a mastermind who engineered massive GDP growth and the best bestiest best at everything."

    Just a reminder, 2020's GDP growth is still negative. Trump is still about to leave office with fewer jobs than he started. If you play blacjack for $100 ten times, and win three of them, you didn't win $300, you lost $400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    This intrigues me
    Funny how you forgot to include the headline of the very article you posted, which you didn't post because you knew an asshole like myself would come along and mock you for it.

    "(bla bla bla) becomes a major campaign issue"

    No, it didn't.

    We've been over this for the last two weeks. Not only has this been covered, the fact that it's a nothing story has been covered, the fact that even Republicans admit it's a nothing story has been covered, and most importantly, even Trump has apparently admitted it's a nothing story. I posted that last one myself.

    There were no floodgates. Even the part you quoted begs the question "why are you creating a new thread about this already-covered topic two full weeks later, and claiming it's a major development?" If it was a major development, why weren't you talking about it two weeks ago? And why didn't it do anything?

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    Yet more on Trump's blatant hypocrisy.

    In the wide-ranging interview conducted Friday, Fauci said the U.S. was "in for a whole lot of hurt" going into the fall and winter, with people congregating at indoors. "You could not possibly be positioned more poorly," he noted.

    On presidential candidate Joe Biden's approach to the pandemic, Fauci said the Democrat's campaign "is taking it seriously from a public health perspective."

    President Trump is "looking at it from a different perspective," on "the economy and reopening the country," Fauci said.

    On Atlas, a radiologist, Fauci said: "I have real problems with that guy. He's a smart guy who’s talking about things that I believe he doesn’t have any real insight or knowledge or experience in. He keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn’t make any sense."

    Twitter took down a tweet by Atlas for making false claims about face masks in October. He also made false comments on herd immunity.

    White House Judd Deere said in a statement to news outlets, "It's unacceptable and breaking with all norms for Dr. Fauci, a senior member of the President's Coronavirus Taskforce and someone who has praised President Trump's actions throughout this pandemic, to choose three days before an election to play politics.

    "As a member of the Task Force, Dr. Fauci has a duty to express concerns or push for a change in strategy, but he's not done that, instead choosing to criticize the President in the media and make his political leanings known by praising the President's opponent."
    Let's address that bolded statement.

    How many times has Trump attacked Fauci? Was it before, or after, Friday? I think Trump attacked Fauci multiple times before Friday.

    Has Fauci praised Trump throughout the pandemic?

    Can anyone circle the part of Fauci's objective comments -- such as about Trump's focus on the economy -- that weren't true? (I'll grant his statements about Atlas are at least partially subjective, but Atlas' background is objective)

    Are statements like "it'll all go away by Easter" playing politics with the situation? Because I think Trump has downplayed the lethal outbreak he allowed (and was 700 deaths worth of responsible for) because he wanted his numbers to go up.

    And most importantly, can anyone point to the USA's situation with COVID-19 and say "this is going well"? Or is the best y'all can manage "It is what it is"?

    Two hundred thirty-thousand dead per JH, you know, a hospital filled with doctors, and both deaths and cases on the rise, and calling it out is playing politics? Get the fuck out of here. Maybe if Team Trump had done their job Team Trump wouldn't be whining about people pointing out they didn't do their job.
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    So, I took a look at polls 2016 vs 2020 now that the NY Times polls are out today for state level.

    Comparing them to the last poll with a high LV sampling size in 2016, I'm seeing the following:

    2016 State - <Percentage of voters supporting a major party> (Who won in 2016) (Final polling average)
    2020 State - <Percentage of voters supporting a major party> (NY Times polling)

    2016 Wisconsin - 90% (won by Trump 0.7%) (Clinton +7)
    2020 Wisconsin - 93% (Biden +11)
    2016 Pennsylvania - 91% (won by Trump 0.7%) (Clinton +4)
    2020 Pennsylvania - 92% (Biden +6)
    2016 Florida - 90% (won by Trump 1.2%) (Clinton +.5)
    2020 Florida - 91% (Biden +3)
    2016 Arizona - 89% (won by Trump 3.5%) (Trump +3)
    2020 Arizona - 93% (Biden +6)


    So, we have more people in this election who have thrown their support behind a major political party (less 3rd party interference / less undecided voters).

    We have higher percentages for Biden than Clinton had / We have razor slim margins that Trump won by when he was behind in the polls by less than he is in 2020.

    We have Arizona completely flipping to Biden from Trump.

    All of this makes me feel good 49 hours before I cast my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    I think it's predominantly a factor of people who just blindly support anyone with an R next to their name. Maybe they don't like what Trump does, but he says he supports guns, he says he supports low taxes, he says he's tough on illegal immigrants, and he says he supports God and Christianity.

    Whether Trump does support any of those things beyond mere lip service is irrelevant; they like that he says he does, and they're willing to throw their lot in with a man who tells them what they want to hear regardless of whether they do it.

    Couple that with them being told by their media sources that the liberals are going to come and take or defile those things, and you see the rampant support for Trump, a man who many of them don't actually like, because they believe he's the only thing saving America from some socialist hellhole.
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    https://www.newsweek.com/protesters-...-biden-1543842
    lollol
    no one has done as much as barr to protect trump from criminal liability and impeachment, but his supporters think hes part of the deep state because they wanted a comey weiner laptop moment and he actually ended up being less of a hack than comey, so they are dissapointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post

    Let's address that bolded statement.

    How many times has Trump attacked Fauci? Was it before, or after, Friday? I think Trump attacked Fauci multiple times before Friday.

    Has Fauci praised Trump throughout the pandemic?
    Isn't the bolded statement just referring to the time Fauci was maliciously taken out of context and he wasn't even talking about Trump, but rather the group that Fauci himself was a part of, and how they were doing the best they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwyrm View Post
    His approval numbers are still unbelievably way too high. What are 44% seeing in this fraud. I can't believe all of them just want to "own the libs". Or is the bar for acceptable just so low that you would have to literately shit the bed on live tv to limbo under it.
    After what we've seen, I am definitely confident if Donald Trump shat himself on live TV during one of his speeches he wouldn't lose more than 1% of his supporters. Or maybe he'd yell "...my underwear is like the liberals, I shit all over them!" to an overwhelming applause.
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

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