Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[YUPPIE]

There was a 20+ year Republican hit job on the Clinton's, going back to Bill's time as Governor of Arkansas. There was Benghazi. There were the emails (never mind that Colin Powell, Bush's Sec State, did the exact same thing, nor that multiple Trump spawn and others in the Trump regime did the exact same thing). There was Comey announcing he was reopening an investigation 3 days before the election. There was the DNC fuckery with debate questions and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and others stabbing for Hillary long before Bernie lost the primary (he did in fact lose fairly, but the whole debacle caused many progressives to sit at home because they didn't want to actively support somebody that everyone thought would win anyway).

Also Hillary is a woman.

doesn't Biden have enemies or a shady past? He won so easily this election without any fare. So easily that we have the dilemma with Trump calling foul.

[Draco-Onis]

doesn't Biden have enemies or a shady past? He won so easily this election without any fare. So easily that we have the dilemma with Trump calling foul.

Trump called foul when he won in 2016...

[Antiganon]

doesn't Biden have enemies or a shady past? He won so easily this election without any fare. So easily that we have the dilemma with Trump calling foul.

Not really no. There isn't dirt to stick to him, because he's been active in politics for decades and kept his nose clean.

The Clinton issues started with the Whitewater real estate scandal, where they bought into a real estate development that was run by some people who were committing fraud. After 6 or 8 years of investigations, it was found that the Clinton's had committed no wrongdoing, they were honest and upstanding business partners who had no knowledge of or control over their oartners' malfeasance. The only thing they could find was that Hillary had made more money than she thought she had, and had paid too little in tax. When brought to her attention, she immediately cut the IRS a check for the back due taxes, with interest.

Biden has kept his nose clean the whole time. The only thing they have on him is that he has a son with addiction issues and some other problems, who maybe might have attempted to trade on his father's name without his permission. Even then, there is no actual verifiable evidence, and nobody is coming after the father for his addict son saying "Hey you know who my dad is right? Hook me up."

[Kaleredar]

Trump announces sanctions against Jyna.



"What's wrong with that?"

Well for one, while taking actions when necessary against bad actors makes sense, poking a bear with a stick before fleeing the room is bad form.

For two, China knows full well these sanctions might not survive.

And for three, Trump continues to take actions that burn the trade deal he promised to the ground, and now his tears are salting the earth.


-- Donald Trump, loser.

In theory, decoupling America's economy from China and instead focusing on building up economic ties with the US' actual allies along with strengthening internal production is a good thing.

But I don't trust it, of course, because it's Trump that's doing it. He's proven himself utterly incapable of doing... well, anything but personally enriching himself, and to even do that he's had to fall back on fleecing people of their money to pay for his "recounts." It's the exact same token nonsense with no tact, substance or long-term effect charted out that will likely only serve to harm the US. Just like his "trade war."

[Breccia]

In theory, decoupling America's economy from China and instead focusing on building up economic ties with the US' actual allies along with strengthening internal production is a good thing.

In theory, yes.

But that would be hard to do while claiming you could force China to buy a bunch of American goods and flip the trade gap.

Which Trump said he would do.

And then just...didn't.

[swiftowner]

Pucker up people, grab a drink, maybe 2. Sit down and mentally prepare yourselves for @Benggaul’s report. It’s not unexpected, but at the same time, it still feels surreal that we are actually at this point with the Trump virus.

Indiana is also seeing a crazy spike today. Idk how or why, maybe carryover from Veterans Day? But also, we are approaching our death records. I see worldometer has a higher number, but the state site spreads it out as a correction, or attributes the deaths to the day of the test, rather than when it was reported.

[Breccia]

Pucker up people, grab a drink, maybe 2. Sit down and mentally prepare yourselves for @Benggaul’s report.

I'm going to hate this so much, aren't I?

[swiftowner]

I'm going to hate this so much, aren't I?

Well on a scale of 1 to Trump, it’s pretty Trumpy.

Edit: The only thing I can say that might be a positive is that the growth rate *MIGHT* have leveled off, but it’s hard to tell with the limited data. We will see tomorrow and next week if it leveled off, or if it is still increasing. But even if the growth rate has hit its peak, we are still so fucked before daily new case numbers start decreasing. Even at this point we’d probably hit 300k daily cases before it leveled off.

But I’m also not a math teacher/professional so I’ll leave that kind of prediction up to those who are, like you.

[Thepersona]

I'm going to hate this so much, aren't I?

Yes. Everyone will loathe this. I hope that the US passes this 3rd wave fast.

[Benggaul]

161,541 new cases; about 38k more than last Thursday. Another new national record.

Top 20:

Illinois: 12,702 new cases (new record); 48 deaths
Texas: 10,378 new cases; 157 deaths
California: 9,158 new cases; 35 deaths
Wisconsin: 7,497 new cases (new record); 58 deaths
Michigan: 7,311 new cases (new record); 49 deaths
Minnesota: 7,225 new cases (new record); 39 deaths
Ohio: 7,115 new cases (new record); 38 deaths
Indiana: 6,591 new cases (new record); 51 deaths
Pennsylvania: 6,023 new cases (new record); 57 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Colorado: 5,197 new cases (new record); 25 deaths
New York: 5,055 new cases; 28 deaths
Iowa: 4,413 new cases; 31 deaths (new record)
Missouri: 4,327 new cases; 24 deaths
Utah: 3,919 new cases (new record); 9 deaths
New Jersey: 3,741 new cases; 19 deaths
Tennessee: 3,344 new cases; 27 deaths
Georgia: 2,982 new cases; 75 deaths
Washington: 2,915 new cases (new record); 26 deaths
North Carolina: 2,893 new cases; 8 deaths

Special mention:

South Dakota: 2,020 new cases (new record). Fuck you, Kristi Noem.

More new records in North Dakota, New Mexico, Oregon (passed 1k for the first time), Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Vermont. California's flood gates may well have opened after holding relatively well for a while. They've also joined Texas in the 1 million cases club (according to worldometers...YMMV). New York has hit 5k again for the first time since April. 40 states reported over 1k cases today. 27 reported 2k or more. I think we all pretty much expected to hit the 160k threshold today given the trend of the past couple weeks, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. 170k is within sight for tomorrow (about 38k more than last Friday's total). We might not hit it, but I'm not betting either way.

I should mention, Wisconsin was pretty much the epicenter of this wave. Their cases started increasing back in mid-September and they are STILL FUCKING INCREASING.

1,190 deaths is "only" around 50 more than last Thursday, so...."yay"? I expect that to be the exception more than the rule, however. The total stands at 248,585. We could easily hit 250k tomorrow, but we will hit it by Saturday. It looks as though Illinois' number yesterday might have been a fluke/correction that wasn't identified as such in the report...but we'll need another week of data to see for sure. Everything remains bigger in Texas.

Related news:

CDC projects up to 282,000 Covid-19 deaths by December, a new forecast shows--That's over 30k more in just over two weeks. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope we don't hit that high-end.

California becomes the second US state to top one million Covid-19 cases, after Texas--Hey, whaddya know? Looks like JH and WO are on the same wavelength today.

Biden talks with Pelosi, Schumer about need for COVID bill--While Trump continues peddling conspiracy theories, Biden is already trying to get things prepared for one of the most pressing issues once he takes office. McTurtle and the GOP better come up with some better excuses as to why they don't want to help the American people. You know, because "Trump doesn't want to sign it" isn't going to work anymore.

Stay safe, folks.

[Adam Jensen]

I'm going to hate this so much, aren't I?

You wanna see exponential growth in action?

[Breccia]

1,190 deaths is "only" around 50 more than last Thursday, so...."yay"?

With the sheer number of new cases and hospitalizations, it honestly is a partial yay.

But deaths lag so...more on this in a week, I guess.

[Benggaul]

With the sheer number of new cases and hospitalizations, it honestly is a partial yay.

But deaths lag so...more on this in a week, I guess.

I'm holding my "yay" until I see what tomorrow brings.

[beanman12345]

They've been warning us the next couple months are gonna be the darkest. We'll hit 250k-300k a day before Biden is sworn in.

[Benggaul]

Oh, by the way, remember when I said a few days ago that the US had hit 10 million cases? The US will hit 11 million cases tomorrow (again, according to worldometers, YMMV).

[Adam Jensen]

They've been warning us the next couple months are gonna be the darkest. We'll hit 250k-300k a day before Biden is sworn in.

It didn't have to be like this.

We could have listened to science. We could have confronted the problem directly. We could have not politicized masks or made "it'll miraculously go away" our only strategy.

[Corvus]

You've got to be able to charge Trump with criminal negligence for this after he leaves office, surely.

[Antiganon]

You've got to be able to charge Trump with criminal negligence for this after he leaves office, surely.

I'm 99% certain he enjoys the same qualified immunity as most police officers and can't be prosecuted for lawful actions he took while in office.

[Sunseeker]

I'm 99% certain he enjoys the same qualified immunity as most police officers and can't be prosecuted for lawful actions he took while in office.

A focus on lawful prosecution within a system designed to abuse certain people and protect the abusers is a fools errand.

[xmirrors]

You've got to be able to charge Trump with criminal negligence for this after he leaves office, surely.

Not happening, but we can possibly hope for some cases against him from before he took office to stick. *fingers crossed*
I'm not expecting much, though.