Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

I wasn't really looking forward to getting back to this.

182,172 new cases, about 5k more than last Tuesday. Don't even ask about Nebraska.

Top 20:

California: 16,893 new cases; 113 deaths
Texas: 13,234 new cases; 237 deaths
Illinois: 12,542 new cases; 146 deaths
Ohio: 9,030 new cases; 119 deaths
Fuck Florida.
New York: 7,614 new cases; 74 deaths
Michigan: 6,511 new cases; 195 deaths
Arizona: 5,983 new cases (new record); 48 deaths
Pennsylvania: 5,717 new cases; 170 deaths
Tennessee: 5,693 new cases; 36 deaths
Indiana: 5,396 new cases; 141 deaths (new record)
Louisiana: 5,326 new cases (new record); 35 deaths
New Jersey: 5,062 new cases (new record); 84 deaths
Missouri: 5,016 new cases; 134 deaths
Georgia: 4,842 new cases; 63 deaths
Colorado: 4,405 new cases; 72 deaths
Kentucky: 4,127 new cases (new record); 35 deaths (new record)
Wisconsin: 4,078 new cases; 107 deaths (new record)
Minnesota: 3,549 new cases; 22 deaths
Alabama: 3,376 new cases (new record); 60 deaths

Other states with new case/death records: Oregon, New Hampshire, Delaware and Maine.

I don't really think reporting is back to normal yet and I know for certain that some of the totals listed above include previously unreported numbers from the long weekend, but I don't think it's too far off from what we're seeing today. I would take most of the records--particularly death totals--with a grain of salt, but again they don't seem too far off the mark. The next couple of days will give us a better picture of how things are going...but again we'll likely start seeing Thanksgiving Day spikes in a week.

Florida became the third state to pass 1 million cases...but they probably did so unofficially a month ago. Fuck Florida.

2,611 deaths is 400 more than last Tuesday and brings the total to 276,976. This is also likely a bit inflated--but close to the truth. 9 states had triple-digit death totals. 32 others had 2-digit totals. Again, we'll have to wait for the next few days to see how things are shaking out, but I'm certain we'll be seeing similar totals if not this week then soon.

Related news:

As US sees new high for Covid-19 hospitalizations, states are preparing for vaccine rollouts--It's good news that they're going to start getting rolled out, but that still leaves the vast majority of the US vulnerable until early next year at least.

Already had the coronavirus? You could get it again--We've heard this before, but more and more studies are proving it to be a thing. Trump's crowing about being immune might come back to haunt him. Oh no.

Biden’s COVID Team Sounds the Alarm Over Trump’s Vaccine Distribution Plan--Because Trump's not done fucking over the country and killing its population.

Stay safe, folks.

[Breccia]

I wasn't really looking forward to getting back to this.

2,611 deaths

Oh jeez. It was actually looking better...holidays I guess are low reporting.

While this is "just one day" which has a death count that rivals 9/11, the US has never, ever, had a 7-day average as high as this day.

Hopefully this is a massive pileup of unreported deaths. Otherwise those 3,000 days we've been predicting are, well, a month fucking early.

[Xyonai]

Soon-to-Be-Former President Trump threatens to veto a defense policy bill unless it ends protections for internet companies that shield them from being held liable for material posted by their users.

Because he's still super salty that #DiaperDon was trending and he couldn't bludgeon Twitter into making the mean words go away.

[Kathranis]

Soon-to-Be-Former President Trump threatens to veto a defense policy bill unless it ends protections for internet companies that shield them from being held liable for material posted by their users.

Because he's still super salty that #DiaperDon was trending and he couldn't bludgeon Twitter into making the mean words go away.

The irony is that this would basically force Twitter to be even more aggressive in controlling the vitriol and conspiracy theories that he and his supporters post.

[Verdugo]

The irony is that this would basically force Twitter to be even more aggressive in controlling the vitriol and conspiracy theories that he and his supporters post.

Then it would become censorship (obviously...) and he would do everything to make them pay.

[jonnysensible]

dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.

[Kaleredar]

dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.

I believe Nixon was effectively pardoned by Ford before any actual legal proceedings were even brought against him, let alone him being convicted.

[Xeones]

I believe Nixon was effectively pardoned by Ford before any actual legal proceedings were even brought against him, let alone him being convicted.

Correct but there are two points first no one challenged it and second though the pardon was relatively vague everyone knew exactly what it was for. I want to question the idea of blanket pardons like are being tossed around for the Trump family in order to cover up exactly what they have done that deserves pardon.

[Kaleredar]

Correct but there are two points first no one challenged it and second though the pardon was relatively vague everyone knew exactly what it was for. I want to question the idea of blanket pardons like are being tossed around for the Trump family in order to cover up exactly what they have done that deserves pardon.

The only thing that will matter to trump and his followers is if he faces actual legal punishment for it.

You can say accepting a pardon is an acceptance of guilt, or that it exposes the crimes he actually committed, but so long as he doesn’t end up convicted... he and they will take that as an absolute win and victory. Like him being impeached... but not removed. Like the Mueller report not exonerating him... but not punishing him either. They bandy these things about as victories over the dems.

Subtlety and context and moral condemnations are meaningless to trump and his followers. All that matters is if they walked free or not. And a pardon, as far as they and he are concerned, is just that: walking free. If anything, they see his ability to subvert the justice system as a commendable strength; that he’s such a strong and powerful leader that he’s above the lying laws of the liberals.

That’s why I’m more hopeful for New York State moving on him: something he cannot pardon or be pardoned for.

[SirBeef]

The irony is that this would basically force Twitter to be even more aggressive in controlling the vitriol and conspiracy theories that he and his supporters post.

Say goodbye to the precious snowflake world known as Parler too.

[beanman12345]

dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.

It's also even more complicated because it only applies to past crimes, the major crimes I believe that trump family is facing is tax evasion and fraud.

There is the collusion with Russia stuff, the emoluments clause stuff, but I'm not entirely sold on the idea the DoJ is even gonna go after trump for basically anything, because with the SCOTUS as it is, they'd need a smoking gun, which I don't think they'll have. They may investigate but ultimately wont press charges without that smoking gun.

But the IRS certainly will go after him for the above, new sec of treasury will make sure of that. Even if they don't face criminal charges on a federal level, that doesn't clear them of all that they may potentially owe, they may not go to federal prison but the piper needs to be paid, which just adds more devastation to their current financial woes.

While at the same time, if I'm wrong and the DoJ does go after Trump and decide to test the idea of a self pardon, and the self pardon doesn't work, it could actually have the opposite effect and work against him, as there is a background principle that you can't be the judge of your own crime, and a self pardon is at odds with that principle.

[YUPPIE]

since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

[postman1782]

I know this really isn't a Trump post but they are all Trump supporters trying to make themselves look more credible, but all they did was expose that Tucker Carlson is a racist.

Not really surprising to the people that don't watch Fox News religiously, but Project Veritas in a sting on CNN, showed that Tucker Carlson is racist, and apparently with their so called sting, it might even be a felony. They somehow tapped Jeff Zucker's phone calls.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/projec...lson-is-racist

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since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

Again, it will be really hard for him to do that when he is in jail. Along with the rest of his family.

[Machismo]

since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

Are you going to lie and shill for him over the next 4 years?

[postman1782]

Trump threatens to veto defense spending bill if Congress doesn't revoke unrelated social media shield

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-thr...055815938.html

In other words, he threatens to veto it unless he gets his way

And I hope they override his veto.

[Breccia]

Soon-to-Be-Former President Trump threatens to veto a defense policy bill unless it ends protections for internet companies that shield them from being held liable for material posted by their users

I don't understand. How does restricting freedom of Speech have anything to do with defense policy? Last I checked, the DoD didn't communicate with the troops by Twitter. Well except for Trump, but Twitter already has special rules for Trump. This doesn't seem related to defense policy at all.

Can anyone defending Trump, such as @Kokolmus for example, explain how this demand has anything to do with defense policy? I guess until some Trump defender wants to explain how Twitter has anything to do with defense policy, Trump is just withholding money and supplies from American troops in the field until Biden takes the helm and immediately signs it.

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NBC News looked at PPP recipients and in a result that surprised literally negative people, found Trump took millions of dollars of taxpayer money and kept it for himself.

Over 25 PPP loans worth more than $3.65 million were given to businesses with addresses at Trump and Kushner real estate properties, paying rent to those owners. Fifteen of the properties self-reported that they only kept one job, zero jobs or did not report a number at all.

The loans to Trump and Kushner properties included a $2,164,543 loan to the Triomphe Restaurant Corp., located at Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City. The company reported the money didn’t go to keeping any jobs. It later closed.

A company called LB City Inc, which is located at Kushner’s Bungalow Hotel in Long Branch, New Jersey, received a loan for $505,552.50 that it used to keep 155 jobs.

Two tenants at 725 5th Avenue, Trump Tower, received more than $100,000 and only kept three jobs.

Four tenants at the Kushner-owned 666 5th Avenue combined received more than $204,000, and only retained 6 jobs.

Obviously some of those are worse than others but man, that bolded. Trump is a miserable failure of a businessman.

And as NBC News says, because a curiously large number of PPP loans went to businesses with no contact information -- how??? -- it could be even more.

Just so everyone's clear: $3.65 million is more than Trump's salary. Oh, and that doesn't even include the taxpayer money he spent to go golfing.

Two hundred ninety-two times. Combined cost $142 million.

[Felya]

dont you have to be prosecuted for something to be pardoned?

i assume giving out get out of jail free cards isnt a thing.

I’m getting flashbacks to ‘Will Obama pardon Hillary’... remember when that was a thing?

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since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

Is that why he is still milking money from his supporters towards stopping the election ‘steal’? You think in 2024, when the popular vote breaking 100 million for the first time in voting against Trump sets a new record, Trump will still be confused why so many vote for his opponent? Setting records in loosing the popular vote to people who need an iron lung and those with dementia, isn’t something Trump will understand in 4 years... I don’t think you will either...

[Gorsameth]

I don't understand. How does restricting freedom of Speech have anything to do with defense policy? Last I checked, the DoD didn't communicate with the troops by Twitter. Well except for Trump, but Twitter already has special rules for Trump. This doesn't seem related to defense policy at all.

Can anyone defending Trump, such as @Kokolmus for example, explain how this demand has anything to do with defense policy? I guess until some Trump defender wants to explain how Twitter has anything to do with defense policy, Trump is just withholding money and supplies from American troops in the field until Biden takes the helm and immediately signs it.

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NBC News looked at PPP recipients and in a result that surprised literally negative people, found Trump took millions of dollars of taxpayer money and kept it for himself.



Obviously some of those are worse than others but man, that bolded. Trump is a miserable failure of a businessman.

And as NBC News says, because a curiously large number of PPP loans went to businesses with no contact information -- how??? -- it could be even more.

Just so everyone's clear: $3.65 million is more than Trump's salary. Oh, and that doesn't even include the taxpayer money he spent to go golfing.

Two hundred ninety-two times. Combined cost $142 million.

Just another thing for the Biden administration to investigate and hit companies with fraudulant claim charges.

[Breccia]

Just another thing for the Biden administration to investigate and hit companies with fraudulant claim charges.

Sadly, I don't see that working here.

I just think that the GOP included PPP rules that allowed this sort of thing for their rich friends, and Trump took advantage of the rules like it was a teenage girl backstage at a beauty pageant.

[alexw]

since you people think Trump doesn't have a lot of goodwill, how will he win in 2024? He's already looking towards the future.

He won't. Its extremely extremely rare for big time losers like Trump who have been booted out of office to run and win again.

So it'd be remarkably stupid for republicans to nominate him as their candidate again which almost certainly means they will if they can, which is why republican officialdom is praying that democrats do them a favor and send him to jail.