Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Draco-Onis]

Not really. A majority is all that’s needed to stop him from holding office again. That’s all the goal of this impeachment is. He cannot appeal that in the Supreme Court since it’s not a criminal indictment.

There's a higher chance of that happening now because let's face it even his most crazy supporters in the senate are acting because they want to run in 2024.

[DingDongKing]

There's a higher chance of that happening now because let's face it even his most crazy supporters in the senate are acting because they want to run in 2024.

Indeed. The goal is to bar him. Basically.

[beanman12345]

lets not pretend 10 Republicans makes this bipartisan.

The fact its only 10 shows that the Republican party is not ready for national unity.
They are still very much up Trumps ass.

10 republicans is history making.

when Johnson was impeached 0 democrats voted yay
When Clinton was impeached 5 democrats voted yay
First Trump impeachment 0 republicans voted yay
Today 10 republicans voted yay.

every single impeachment vote has been party line votes. This is technically, the most bi-partisan impeachment ever. I don't give any credit to any of the 10, with maybe the exception of that one freshman kinda sorta but not even really, because they've been enablers for all this time, none have taken responsibility for that, and until they do take responsibility, they are just as big of cowards as their colleagues who voted no.

[Resurgo]

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

If they go by precedent, William Belknap was impeached after he quit.

[Gorsameth]

Not really. A majority is all that’s needed to stop him from holding office again. That’s all the goal of this impeachment is. He cannot appeal that in the Supreme Court since it’s not a criminal indictment.

The SC has final say in interpreting the constitution. And that includes the question if Congress has to power of impeachment over a former President.
They have power of the current president, no question there, but the subject of ex-Presidents is not mentioned in the constitution.

The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

After his term ends Trump will no longer be President.

[SirBeef]

No more fucked then he was 2 weeks ago.
This vote is completely and utterly meaningless and the conviction vote will not happen until after he left office and will no doubt go up to the Supreme Court to decide if Congress can even convict him after he has left office.

It can go to the SCOTUS all they want. Conviction and removal are two different aspects. Doesn't matter if he is still president or not, he can still be convicted of a political crime.

And BTW, he was impeached. 2 times. The Senate doesn't impeach they convict. Once again, completely different.

[Gorsameth]

If they go by precedent, William Belknap was impeached after he quit.

Yes there is some precedent. But if Trumps want to this will go the SC and well, he stacked the courts so who knows. Maybe this would be their final favor to him.

[Resurgo]

Yes there is some precedent. But if Trumps want to this will go the SC and well, he stacked the courts so who knows. Maybe this would be their final favor to him.

That's expecting a lot seeing as how they didn't even look at a case of 'election fraud' as a favor for trump...

[DingDongKing]

The SC has final say in interpreting the constitution. And that includes the question if Congress has to power of impeachment over a former President.
They have power of the current president, no question there, but the subject of ex-Presidents is not mentioned in the constitution.
After his term ends Trump will no longer be President.

It’s all contingent on how much McConnell chooses to fuck him. He’s the real power in the GOP.

[Gorsameth]

That's expecting a lot seeing as how they didn't even look at a case of 'election fraud' as a favor for trump...

There was 0 evidence. They were never going to overturn an election with 0 evidence.

[kaid]

There was 0 evidence. They were never going to overturn an election with 0 evidence.

Also the trump campaign in court never brought up anything about fraud. Doing so has a harder bar of evidence to hurdle and so went out of their way when pinned down by judges if they were claiming fraud declined to do so.

[xmirrors]

In case anyone missed it, the White House just released a video speech starring the Orange Man himself.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349492130578919425

[Resurgo]

There was 0 evidence. They were never going to overturn an election with 0 evidence.

I'm not saying they should have. I'm just saying that the Supreme Court would still need to work with established precedent. I find it hard to expect they'll be doing him any favors unless whatever case he brings is something truly far fetched enough to not be covered under some sort of precedent.

[beanman12345]

There was 0 evidence. They were never going to overturn an election with 0 evidence.

I think he's saying don't expect them to do any favors when they couldn't even look at a fake case, they won't look at any case, cause they don't need trump or his base, they're set for life.

[Felya]

In case anyone missed it, the White House just released a video speech starring the Orange Man himself.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349492130578919425

Sounds like corporations pulling their support had an impact...

[Corvus]

In a further blow to Trump, as some here predicted, Bill de Blasio has announced NYC will be cutting all contracts with the Trump Organisation.

[beanman12345]

In a further blow to Trump, as some here predicted, Bill de Blasio has announced NYC will be cutting all contracts with the Trump Organisation.

@cubby will this have any effects on the civil cases that are being prepared by the attorney general of NY state against the Trump Organization?

[TigTone]

In case anyone missed it, the White House just released a video speech starring the Orange Man himself.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349492130578919425

He almost almost sounds presidential and but the speech is a little too late (Very late). 6 dead because of his rhetoric.

[Resurgo]

In case anyone missed it, the White House just released a video speech starring the Orange Man himself.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1349492130578919425

wow, if he had more speeches like that, he would've coasted to a 2nd term pretty easily.

[beanman12345]

wow, if he had more speeches like that, he would've coasted to a 2nd term pretty easily.

At the very least he wouldn't have been impeached today with speeches like that. BUT in a few hours it'll leak about how pissed off he was at having to make this one, and how much he regrets it.