Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Machismo]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

Well, why wouldn't someone denounce a Nazi like Trump?

[anveena]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

They're just rinos lashing out after losing their party to real conservatives.

[Felya]

They're just rinos lashing out after losing their party to real conservatives.

Trump is not a conservative... prove me wrong?

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In what way did he dehumanize Trump? By accurately describing his actions?

By disagreeing with him... this is a cult...

[Felya]

I mean, fascism is a far right ideology. He's a fascist and we call the right conservatives. Ipso facto.

lol... I changed ‘he’s a fascist’ to ‘prove me wrong’ for that reason... Plus, I figured a Trump supporter would be a Crowder fan...

[Breccia]

Since The Capitol Attack, Trump’s Approval Rating Has Plummeted At A Record Rate

Wow, I guest most of America is "lashing out" because they're "not true conservatives" who approve of "murderous insurrection".

In the wake of the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, public opinion is souring quickly on President Trump as he enters the final days of his term. Not only do a majority of Americans blame him for the riot at the Capitol and favor removing him from office, but his job approval rating has fallen faster in recent days than at any point in his presidency.

According to FiveThirtyEight’s approval tracker,1 39.4 percent of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing as president, while 56.3 percent disapprove (a net approval rating of -16.8 percentage points). On Jan. 6, the day of the Capitol attack, Trump’s net approval rating stood at -10.3 points, which means his net approval rating has fallen 6.5 points in just eight days.

Also a quick note here: these numbers are already out of date. Trump's approval rating live on their site is now down to 38.0%, 58.0% disapprove, so the gap is negative twenty. He doubled the gap in eleven days.

It turns out that’s the biggest drop in Trump’s net approval that our tracker has ever recorded. To put this into perspective, there have been only two other times when Trump’s net approval rating fell by at least 5 points over an eight-day period: once in February 2017, after he issued executive orders to begin construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and to suspend the refugee program and prohibit entry for visitors from seven predominantly Muslim countries,2 and then again in March 2017, after Republicans began their legislative efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.3 But the lack of sharp drops in Trump’s rating outside of these two episodes isn’t all that stunning, considering that both positive and negative opinions of him are largely baked in.

But now Trump’s tumbling approval rating suggests he is losing some support among his party base and swing voters (his approval rating among Democrats was already abysmal). Take Morning Consult/Politico’s latest survey, which found Trump’s net approval at +51 points among Republicans and -35 points among independents; these numbers might not sound that bad, especially among Republicans, but they were down 15 points among both Republicans and independents from mid-December. Quinnipiac University’s new poll also put Trump’s net approval among Republicans at +51, a decrease from +80 in early December, while independents fell to -37 from -15 in the same period. Additionally, a new survey from Marist College on behalf of PBS NewsHour found Trump at +56 among Republicans and -20 among independents, both down from +83 and -14, respectively, in Marist’s early December poll.

Aww. Are they all rinos too? Are they all butthurt because Trump wanted to win and they didn't? Or was it, you know, the murderous insurrection?

Now I suppose hypothetically there could be someone on my ignore list who is claiming that the sudden sharp record-breaking turn against Trump, since he supported and even instigated the murderous insurrection, might be coincidence. That after Jan 6 it just so happened that all the "rinos" suddenly remembered they weren't really conservatives and en masse collectively all swiped left. I'm sure any second they're finding evidence that backs their claim that, somehow, it wasn't the support of a murderous insurrection that tanked his numbers so much so quickly, but coincidental mutuall-agreed-upon spite against the one who cost them the House, the Senate, and the White House, which...actually that's a pretty good reason, but that didn't all happen Jan 6, so it would take some careful explanation to get through that one.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I can handwave "they don't like him because he's a loser" possible defense right now. 538 keeps a running track of how Trump compares to other Presidents by days into their term(s). You can look for other steep dropoffs on those those charts. For example, Nixon's approval fell very sharply riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight before he was forced out of office. Ford's approval bricked the second he pardoned Nixon. This seems to support their drop wasn't because they lost, because neither event took place during an election they lost, but instead because of actions they took.

You can get even more info. George HW Bush and Jimmy Carter both lose their re-elections. Carter had a sharp drop too, but not during and definitely not after the election. HW's popularity after the election actually went up.

The claim, therefore, that "oh that's just rinos who don't like a true conservative" it demonstrably false. Unless it's followed with a bastardization of the Republican Party such as "because real conservatives support insurrection and murder" which is beyond what even I would say about Republicans.

[YUPPIE]

In what way did he dehumanize Trump? By accurately describing his actions?

saying he's the worst president ever, a failed leader, Hitler wannabe and all his followers to be Nazis and enemies of the state complete with drawing parallels is pretty brutal.

Since talking down on Trump is the new trend since 06, I've never seen anyone come down on him as hard as Arnold, a Republician.

[Machismo]

saying he's the worst president ever, a failed leader, Hitler wannabe and all his followers to be Nazis and enemies of the state complete with drawing parallels is pretty brutal.

Since talking down on Trump is the new trend since 06, I've never seen anyone come down on him as hard as Arnold, a Republician.

Well, when someone is a fascist, they should expect to be compared to such. I get that you love the guy, and will never stop shilling for him... but the rest of us are actually aware of how shitty he is.

[Machismo]

They're just rinos lashing out after losing their party to real conservatives.

You mean real conservatives that increase spending, increase the deficits, have a terrible fiscal policy, support fascism, hate women and minorities, and support sexual assault and watching underage girls getting undressed?

Because... that's who Trump is.

[Felya]

saying he's the worst president ever, a failed leader, Hitler wannabe and all his followers to be Nazis and enemies of the state complete with drawing parallels is pretty brutal.

Since talking down on Trump is the new trend since 06, I've never seen anyone come down on him as hard as Arnold, a Republician.

Have you been paying any attention? Trump’s nazis literally stormed the capital, while Trump was tweeting he loves them... Why can’t we call a fascist, a fascist? Why do we have to baby an incompetent baboon, that claims to be all about machismo? How about we use this energy feeling sorry for a selfish billionaire, to feel sorry for nearly 700 kids Trump still has in cages?

Did I now come down harder than Arnold?

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Because... that's who Trump is.

Did you see Trump’s mission accomplished about the wall? He is claiming he built it and is a promise kept... lol

[Machismo]

Have you been paying any attention? Trump’s nazis literally stormed the capital, while Trump was tweeting he loves them... Why can’t we call a fascist, a fascist? Why do we have to baby an incompetent baboon, that claims to be all about machismo? How about we use this energy feeling sorry for a selfish billionaire, to feel sorry for nearly 700 kids Trump still has in cages?

Did I now come down harder than Arnold?

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Did you see Trump’s mission accomplished about the wall? He is claiming he built it and is a promise kept... lol

Well, he's a liar and a conman, so I expect no different. I'm guessing he also says "mission accomplished" every single time he fails to satisfy a woman in bed.

[YUPPIE]

when I say "dehumanize," I mean if you so much as think Trump now had some alright *policies* like in regards to China and Iran, people will glare at you. Donald Trump is now an icon for neo-nazism and terrorism and every day his approval rating goes lower, the more that shadow is cast over it.

A day ago he fulfilled an execution warrant for someone who was pure evil by description and people got enraged over that. That's what I mean. Even the most mundane passable thing he does is seen as a negative.

[Felya]

when I say "dehumanize," I mean if you so much as think Trump now had alright policies in regards to China and Iran, people will glare at you. Donald Trump is now an icon for neo-nazism and terrorism and every day his approval rating goes lower, the more that shadow is cast over it.

Tell that to the nearly 700 kids he has in cages and nearly 400000 dead to a virus, that disappeared in April...

Edit: Oh and when I say 700 kids in cages, this isn’t QAnon or a conspiracy. It’s where Melania flew, while wearing that infamous, ‘I don’t care, do you’ jacket...

[Machismo]

when I say "dehumanize," I mean if you so much as think Trump now had alright policies in regards to China and Iran, people will glare at you. Donald Trump is now an icon for neo-nazism and terrorism and every day his approval rating goes lower, the more that shadow is cast over it.

Nope, he's a shitty fascist who had shitty policies. He attacked liberty. He attacked capitalism. He wasted far too much money. He hates brown people, and tr4ied to keep them out. He hates Muslims, and tried to keep them out. He's a racist. he's a rapist.

Why do you support all that?

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when I say "dehumanize," I mean if you so much as think Trump now had some alright *policies* like in regards to China and Iran, people will glare at you. Donald Trump is now an icon for neo-nazism and terrorism and every day his approval rating goes lower, the more that shadow is cast over it.

A day ago he fulfilled an execution warrant for someone who was pure evil by description and people got enraged over that. That's what I mean. Even the most mundane passable thing he does is seen as a negative.

The dude pardoned war criminals and child killers... care to defend that?

[Felya]

A day ago he fulfilled an execution warrant for someone who was pure evil by description and people got enraged over that. That's what I mean. Even the most mundane passable thing he does is seen as a negative.

Most people don’t consider an execution, to be mundane... people don’t usually sign off on killing someone so brazenly... at least I would hope so...

[YUPPIE]

For all the bad Trump did, he's going to be arrested or fucked like that in a few days so a lot of it is whatever now.

My MAIN concern is the fact Biden is scrambling to mend relationships with Xi Jinping and Iran. That's all. He's working to literally do a reset button on Trump but what people don't seem to understand is that's not a 100% good thing.

[alexw]

saying he's the worst president ever, a failed leader, Hitler wannabe and all his followers to be Nazis and enemies of the state complete with drawing parallels is pretty brutal.

Since talking down on Trump is the new trend since 06, I've never seen anyone come down on him as hard as Arnold, a Republician.

Those statements are pretty much all factually true, though I would disagree that all his followers are Nazi's. Some of them are, most of the rest are just approving of Nazi's as long as they share the same goals. i.e. the goal of installing Trump as a dictator. There's a minority who are neither and they are the Republicans who are dumping Trump right now which is causing him to crash in the polls.

[dextersmith]

Also, using a polearm, when you do not have polearm skill

He had a damn spear and his lawyer still said he was unarmed. lol

[Machismo]

For all the bad Trump did, he's going to be arrested or fucked like that in a few days so a lot of it is whatever now.

My MAIN concern is the fact Biden is scrambling to mend relationships with Xi Jinping and Iran. That's all. He's working to literally do a reset button on Trump but what people don't seem to understand is that's not a 100% good thing.

Your main concern is that nobody is buying your lies.

You have chosen to defend a racist, fascist piece of shit who likes to sexually assault women.

[Breccia]

Did you see Trump’s mission accomplished about the wall? He is claiming he built it and is a promise kept... lol

Funny story: Trump actually used "Mission Accomplished" before, about military action in the Middle East, and then defended it in a subesequent tweet.

But let's talk about the Wall, since it's clearly as complete as Trump will ever get at this point.

Trump's own CBP reports that, of the 452 miles built, 80 are where there was no Wall before.

Eighty miles. Total. Over four years and one Trump Shutdown.

This is only "promise kept!" if you grade on a Trumpian curve, i.e. it's kept because he says so.

And just so we're all clear:
1) it was built far slower than he said
2) it was far more expensive than he promised
3) Biden could just order it all demolished if he felt like that was a good use of taxpayer money, and
4) Mexico never paid a single peso.

There is no reasonable metric by which this is a promise kept. Anyone claiming that it is, is lying. Or, insane.

[Dontrike]

(serious) a bit late, but why did a hardcore republican like Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly denounce and dehumanize Trump a week ago?

Because Arnold is an actual person.