Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[kaid]

Well that's why SCOTUS dismissed it, but that leaves the lower court ruling(s) in place. Biden's DoJ helped by basically dropping the case.

Also given the account is locked and trump can't access it it seems very reasonable to just moot the case as its no longer a live concern.

[Resurgo]

You might have included why it was dismissed. It's regarded as "moot" since Trump is no longer president.

Which means this order stands. trump loses. Freedom of Speech wins.
https://knightcolumbia.org/documents/a07ecc2a26

Also means that sets precedent if any other trumphadis tries to do that again.

[Breccia]

Also given the account is locked and trump can't access it it seems very reasonable to just moot the case as its no longer a live concern.

Side note: "this specific case is moot" has always felt like a stupid argument to me, including the election results. Precedent should be set.

Fortunately, in this case, it was. The lower court rulings remain in place. But in the election cases thrown out because the US certified, that bugged the crap out of me. Especially since his lawsuits were almost all frivolous and he/his lawyers should have been slapped down. But that's another thread.

[Lenonis]

DeSantis should be terrified about his odds in 2022 considering Trump didn't win FL by all that much, DeSantis is not Trump, and DeSantis basically watched his voters die of COVID while eating popcorn. He probably figures he needs all the money he can get to somehow convince the voters he hasn't killed yet that it's somehow someone else's fault.

Unfortunately Florida is Florida and DeSantis has a somewhat decent popularity rating. He's generally considered in a strong spot for re-election. Misinformation is a hell of a drug.

[Edge-]

Unfortunately Florida is Florida and DeSantis has a somewhat decent popularity rating. He's generally considered in a strong spot for re-election. Misinformation is a hell of a drug.

Cater to rich white folk and retirees, make sure poor folk and people of color have a hard time voting, overrule the ballot measure passed with popular support granting voting rights to ex-felons to keep them from voting, profit.

It's really pretty fuckin gross and awful and shows how a government can absolutely abuse and manipulate governance and democracy to maintain power while actively working to kill as many people as they can. And many of their constituents will cheer them for it.

[Milchshake]

It absolutely is. He was called on it, and he just handwaved it. DeSantis should be terrified about his odds in 2022 considering Trump didn't win FL by all that much, DeSantis is not Trump, and DeSantis basically watched his voters die of COVID while eating popcorn. He probably figures he needs all the money he can get to somehow convince the voters he hasn't killed yet that it's somehow someone else's fault.

I dunno, the media has already demonstrated they're quite dedicated to propping up DeSantis.

I'm betting CNN already has a piece written, "How DeSantis Won Covid The Hurricane season!"


He'll spend an hour on Meet The Press, evading all questions. Chuck Todd will gush, "This is presidential material!"

[Nellise]

Well that's why SCOTUS dismissed it, but that leaves the lower court ruling(s) in place. Biden's DoJ helped by basically dropping the case.

The lower court's ruling was vacated, it was not left in place. "The judgment is vacated, and the case is remanded to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit with instructions to dismiss the case as moot." https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...21zor_3204.pdf

[Edge-]

I dunno, the media has already demonstrated they're quite dedicated to propping up DeSantis.

I'm betting CNN already has a piece written, "How DeSantis Won Covid The Hurricane season!"


He'll spend an hour on Meet The Press, evading all questions. Chuck Todd will gush, "This is presidential material!"

Don't forget Van Jones, "This was truly the moment he grew into the role of Governor." the next 3-4 times DeSantis literally does the bare minimum of acting like a governor for a second and not calling a media outlet "FAKE NEWS".

Seriously, the way some in the media fuckin carry water for these drowning fucks is beyond me. Is the bar really that fuckin low now?

[bladeXcrasher]

Don't forget Van Jones, "This was truly the moment he grew into the role of Governor." the next 3-4 times DeSantis literally does the bare minimum of acting like a governor for a second and not calling a media outlet "FAKE NEWS".

Seriously, the way some in the media fuckin carry water for these drowning fucks is beyond me. Is the bar really that fuckin low now?

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

[Edge-]

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

The faux-mentality where "neutrality" is a thing in all instances. Also, Van Jones generally seems to be a bit of an ideological mercenary and piece of shit.

Gotta avoid the appearance of being decent people and appear fair to "all sides"!

Chuck Todd can eat his own fucking shitty goatee.

[Breccia]

The lower court's ruling was vacated

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

[Felya]

It's a stupid reaction to appear "impartial". It's absolutely ridiculous by all metrics.

Impartial is good, the problem is the subjectivity of both fairness and balance.

[cubby]

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

I agree practically speaking, but the Court always shies away from a decision if they can help it. There are some good, logical, and even practical reasons for it - but sometimes those don't apply.

[Felya]

That's just stupid. The lower court's ruling was made while it was still relevant. It should have been left alone.

The more interesting part is Justice Thomas write up on it... 12 pages of pretty much arguing that social media should be regulated as a common carriers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

Edit: ... and if you want to discuss it, here is a thread on it... Edge beat me by minutes:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...d-Be-Regulated

[Breccia]

I agree practically speaking, but the Court always shies away from a decision if they can help it.

All the more reason to leave the original alone. You say "shies away" but they went back and removed a previous ruling and they did it on purpose. That's a decision.

[cubby]

All the more reason to leave the original alone. You say "shies away" but they went back and removed a previous ruling and they did it on purpose. That's a decision.

I hear what you're saying, and frankly I agree. But the Mootness issue centers around not creating law around an issue that no longer exists. Which is a laudable policy overall, with some regrettable fallout in some cases. This is one of those cases. And yeah, deciding not to decide is a decision.

[masterhorus8]

@cubby How do you think this ruling on the case will affect the bullshit that Florida is trying to do with handing out fines to social media for having political people banned?

[Edge-]

@cubby How do you think this ruling on the case will affect the bullshit that Florida is trying to do with handing out fines to social media for having political people banned?

Those laws are all gonna get slapped down pretty hard and fast. It's a gross overreach of state authority and an infringement on the First Amendment rights of the respective companies. Same shit I think TX is trying to do that'll also get slapped down.

It's a waste of time and money knowing that these won't stand up in courts and are just pathetic, expensive wastes of time on some virtue signaling. You know, the thing conservatives love to whinge about : P

[Breccia]

But the Mootness issue centers around not creating law around an issue that no longer exists.

That's less laughable and more I'M YELLING AT THE SCREEN BECAUSE OF HOW DUMB THAT SOUNDS.

The issue existed at the time. The ruling was handed down at the time. What's the problem? Are we going to start pardoning murderers after they die?

[cubby]

@cubby How do you think this ruling on the case will affect the bullshit that Florida is trying to do with handing out fines to social media for having political people banned?

I think it will force the issue all the way back into the Supreme Court, from a separate Appellate Court no less. And it will take years to arrive, as well, because the issue won't be expedited since it won't be concerning a sitting Resident. But I do think the bullshit in Florida will definitely bring it back up.

Maybe Thomas won't be on the bench by then....

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That's less laughable and more I'M YELLING AT THE SCREEN BECAUSE OF HOW DUMB THAT SOUNDS.

The issue existed at the time. The ruling was handed down at the time. What's the problem? Are we going to start pardoning murderers after they die?

And I have trouble disagreeing with you. It stems from not wanting to rule on an issue that literally not longer exists, but of course the issue exists, and even the specific parties in this case (as the Office of the President continues even if Donnie Dipshit isn't polluting it with his presence) exist. There is some logic to it as well, as case law is based on circumstances. So in this case (heh), the circumstances are no longer viable, because Resident Trump is no longer in office.

The whole thing can be very frustrating at times.