Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Just have him sign a waiver and provide him with the ivermectin so he can give it to himself. The hospital will not be liable for any negative health impacts, nor should they be required to provide him with care following his decision to self medicate.

[postman1782]

These folks believing in Ivermectin as a cure for COVID are getting bad. One of the hospitals here in Illinois is getting a backlash from other morons because a prominent anti-vaccine/anti-masker has been denied treatment with the de-worming drug.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...-drug/2607957/

AMITA Health confirmed that staff at Resurrection Medical Center in Norwood Park have received "hundreds of phone calls and emails associated with one patient's care."

That patient, according to her husband, is Veronica Wolski, whom Lawrence Wolski told NBC 5 is hospitalized with COVID-19.

Wolski is known for documenting her demonstrations on a bridge over the Kennedy Expressway on YouTube. She is vocal about her beliefs against the coronavirus vaccine and wearing masks.

"I have never once worn a mask. I have called the police on people that tried to make me wear masks," Wolski said in one of her videos.

According to her husband and supporters on various social media platforms, Wolski has requested to be treated with the controversial drug, ivermectin.

Ivermectin is a deworming drug mostly used in veterinary medicine, according to Chicago's top health official, Dr. Allison Arwady.

"I am a little surprised I guess that there are people who want to take a veterinary medicine that is not FDA approved, but then don’t want to take the vaccine that has had really widespread human trials and is approved," said Dr. Arwady.

Arwady warns the drug is leading to hospitalizations and not being used correctly.

"They’re taking doses that are dosed for horses or cows and we have seen people have liver problems, nausea, all kinds of issues," she said. "I want to be really, really, really clear that in no case should anybody try to take a veterinary formula ever of any medication."

The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.

The FDA says taking large doses of ivermectin is dangerous and clinical trials assessing the tablets for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in people are ongoing.

The drug is at the center of a national debate and in a number of lawsuits, including in Springfield where a Sangamon County judge, last week, blocked a man from receiving ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

Ivermectin has been promoted by Republican lawmakers, conservative talk show hosts and some doctors, amplified via social media to millions of Americans who remain resistant to getting vaccinated. It has also been widely used in other countries, including India and Brazil.

Federal health officials have seen a surge in prescriptions this summer, accompanied by worrying increases in reported overdoses. The drug was even given to inmates at a jail in northwest Arkansas for COVID-19, despite federal warnings against that use.

Last week, podcaster Joe Rogan, who has been dismissive of the COVID-19 vaccine, announced he had tested positive for the virus and was taking the medication.

AMITA Health confirmed to NBC 5 it is not currently administering ivermectin and released the following statement in regards to Wolski's case.

"At AMITA Health, our first priority is the health and safety of our patients. Our physicians and clinicians follow the full guidance of the FDA and the CDC in the treatment of COVID-19. And while AMITA Health Resurrection Medical Center has received hundreds of phone calls and emails associated with one patient’s care, we have simply and respectfully noted the concerns shared."

Send them home then. Tell them if they want to die, they can waste their own fucking resources.

[Rasulis]

DeSantis and Abbott test negative for competence and compassion

Would you like to know how bad things would be if Donald Trump had been reelected or the Capitol coup on Jan. 6 had been successful? All you need to do to find out is to go to Florida or Texas.

Both Sun Belt states are pandemic battlefields.

Florida and Texas have GOP governors, Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott, and Republican state legislatures that are sending their children - and their constituents' kids - back to school with little protection against the deadly delta variant, which is especially plaguing the two states.

Florida and Texas led the nation in a dubious category with the most COVID-19 deaths in the week leading up to Labor Day. There were far more fatalities in the two states than there were in big states with Democratic governors. There were more than twice as many daily deaths on average in Florida (344) and Texas (226) than there were in California (100) and more than seven times as many as New York (31).

That's deaths period. Not deaths per capita.

[Breccia]

Just have him sign a waiver and provide him with the ivermectin so he can give it to himself.

Hippocratic Oath. They can't do that.

By the way, Merck makes ivermectin and they are on record as saying it doesn't help COVID. Also ivermectin's price has shot up and the vaccine is still free, how is this still an issue?

[Poopymonster]

Hippocratic Oath. They can't do that.

By the way, Merck makes ivermectin and they are on record as saying it doesn't help COVID. Also ivermectin's price has shot up and the vaccine is still free, how is this still an issue?

Free = CommunisocialislamicEVIL
Pay = Divine Hand of the Free Market Blessings Upon You And Your Host.

[Benggaul]

Eh, Florida only actually added 6 deaths yesterday. There should be a dump today, however.

That's what they said, but considering it's been over 300 daily for a while now I'll stand by my statement.

[Zan15]

Just have him sign a waiver and provide him with the ivermectin so he can give it to himself. The hospital will not be liable for any negative health impacts, nor should they be required to provide him with care following his decision to self medicate.

Won't stop them from suing anyway costing the hospital a lot of money to defend.

Strangely the patient is always allowed to transfer to another facility...but of course that would require they pay for it and we know that won't happen

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Hippocratic Oath. They can't do that.

By the way, Merck makes ivermectin and they are on record as saying it doesn't help COVID. Also ivermectin's price has shot up and the vaccine is still free, how is this still an issue?

it was a way higher profit margin than the vaxx even before the huge demand.
Yet another ironic thing they claimed the vaxx really was created to make drug companies tons of 'profits'

[Benggaul]

Trump singled out election official. Hear the horrific voicemails he received

Trump should be charged with inciting violence. Period.

[Edge-]

Trump singled out election official. Hear the horrific voicemails he received

Trump should be charged with inciting violence. Period.

Is there any precedent for suing someone for instigating threats against you?

[Benggaul]

Is there any precedent for suing someone for instigating threats against you?

Maybe it would fall under solicitation to commit a crime of violence, but I'm no expert.

[PhaelixWW]

That's what they said, but considering it's been over 300 daily for a while now I'll stand by my statement.

Then maybe just start stating the daily backlog change also (+461 yesterday, on top of the 1700) because other states are doing the same thing.


Florida today is adding +9 deaths for the "day" and a backlog of +1287. This makes their 7-day-average for newly-reported deaths 338, which is only a little higher than last week's 326. Dare we hope that Florida is seeing a slowdown in their rise, or is this just a blip due to Labor Day?

Also, we saw a jump of +40 on the Thu-to-Thu averages three weeks ago (161 to 201) and two weeks ago (201 to 241), so maybe the +85 jump last week (241 to 326) was an early over-correction? The total jump over the last two weeks is 97, so they would average out at +48.5 each if you combined them.

We'll be able to see if this is a legitimate leveling-off by next Thursday's backlog dump, I guess. Regardless, it's waaaaaaaaaaay too many people dying in Florida to a mostly-preventable disease.

[Katchii]

Sadly I believe that only covers worms in their intestines, not their brain worms : /

As someone already alluded too, I doubt they'd need dewormer to get rid of brain worms, the poor things would starve to death as these people obviously have no brains.

[Edge-]

As someone already alluded too, I doubt they'd need dewormer to get rid of brain worms, the poor things would starve to death as these people obviously have no brains.

What do you think is actually filling their head after the worms consumed what little gray matter they had? It's all just worms, feeding on themselves now. It sure explains the violent, stupid, and erratic behavior.

[Katchii]

What do you think is actually filling their head after the worms consumed what little gray matter they had? It's all just worms, feeding on themselves now. It sure explains the violent, stupid, and erratic behavior.

That explains a lot...

The erratic behavior, the mental gymnastics, flip flopping whenever it suits them, and their ability to seemingly infect other people with the same affliction.

It all makes sense now.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Something seriously needs to be done about all these idiots taking this dewormer crap for covid. Maybe a law needs to be made, making it optional for hospitals to treat idiots who take it. This would be funny if they weren't taking resources from people who are at hospitals for, y'know real reasons like gunshot wounds or whatnot.

[Gorsameth]

Something seriously needs to be done about all these idiots taking this dewormer crap for covid. Maybe a law needs to be made, making it optional for hospitals to treat idiots who take it. This would be funny if they weren't taking resources from people who are at hospitals for, y'know real reasons like gunshot wounds or whatnot.

Medical bills will take care of plenty of them probably.

If you actually want to make a difference you don't go after those taking this but against the people who are telling them to take it.

[Benggaul]

Then maybe just start stating the daily backlog change also (+461 yesterday, on top of the 1700) because other states are doing the same thing.

Nah. As I said, I'll remain consistent even if they aren't, which is why I reported the worldometers total as I've done for over a year now and only mentioned Florida's likely addition incidentally. I think everyone is already mentally adding a few hundred to whatever Florida reports these days anyway and we can get a general idea of where they stand based on their new case numbers--except for when holidays muddy the waters. Florida's never been willing to do the work to report accurately and I'm not willing to do extra work to prove what everyone already knows anyway. Florida's fucked.

[Breccia]

Dare we hope that Florida is seeing a slowdown in their rise, or is this just a blip due to Labor Day?

Let's pretend Florida has peaked...and discuss how horrifying that still is.

According to the CDC tracker, around July 10, the US deaths per 100k bottomed out about 0.40. It then rose to its peak on Aug 30 of 2.61. It then started declining.

Florida started increasing sooner and started lying about it also, but July 10 they hadn't changed the rules yet and their deaths per 100k was 1.08 so...yeah, this isn't going to end well, is it? By Aug 30th they'd really started lying, but as someone...wasn't it you?...pointed out with a moving graphic, they were shoving their deaths back in time so their current path was downwards but from a steadily growing mountain of corpses behind them. "Everything is fine," DeSantis said as the flies buzzed and the stench filled the air, "just take your midichlorians and we'll be okay". Their currently-listed CDC peak was not Aug 30th but let's pretend it was (I'm actually doing Florida a favor here, as we'll see shortly it's not enough to save them) at 10.0 per 100k.

So, overall, Florida did about three times worse than the USA as a whole in that span.

According to the CDC again, July 10th Florida's cumulative deaths were 38,615 and Aug 30th it was 47,683, meaning in the span in question about 9,000 Floridians died of COVID. If Florida had the same death rate as the rest of the USA, it would have been 3,000 instead.

COVID was going to kill a lot of people. Even if, for example, the low rate at July 10th had stayed put or even dropped, the deaths in Florida would still have been hundreds of people. Even if the death rate had climbed but matched the rest of the country, it would have been thousands. But their intentional mishandling of COVID has killed 6,000 people....just in the span of July 10th to Aug 30th. And that's a lowball, it was probably more.

To put this in perspective, imagine a fully-packed Tampa Bay Buccaneers game, with every single seat in the stadium filled. They're here for a game, face painted, yelling, screaming, having a great time.

Now blow a hole in the north side of the stadium, taking out the home team locker room (the Buccaneer's Cove), the Buccs themselves, everyone sitting behind that end zone, any employees in the area at the time, and any poor stragglers outside too close to the building. BOOM. All dead. That's about six thousand.

And...we're not done.

Even if both the USA and Florida calm down to that July 10th low at the same rate at which they rose -- school's in, so that's asking a lot -- Florida would add another 6,000 extra dead on the other end of that decrease. Or, yeah, blow out the other end zone, killing everyone behind the other end zone too and probably a few dozen cars on Tampa Bay Boulevard. Now it's up to 12,000 extra people dead -- four 9/11s for those of you keeping score -- and all four entry ramps are filled with burning corpses and chunks of molten LCD screen, trapping a panicked crowd with no obvious means of escape and no way for the control booth to give clear instructions through the smoke of one-fifth of their most loyal fans' collective funeral pyre.

*ahem*

And then!

The next day, Jason Licht goes to the microphones and said "Wasn't it so great that we didn't have to buy those expensive hoax metal detectors so we could have the stadium open? By the way, I'm suing the Miami Dolphins for buying bomb-sniffing dogs."

[NOTE: I have no idea if Jason Licht is a nice guy or an asshole, he's the DeSantis parallel in this metaphor and not an actual depiction of the Buccs GM]

If it seems I'm intentionally painting a horrifying image to show 12,000 people dead, it's because I am. I want how I feel about these senseless, meaningless, preventable deaths to be crystal fucking clear. Florida was never going to have a zero death rate, just like neither was NYState or Alaska or Oregon. Even with proper medical knowledge, medical care, and people taking this seriously, the deaths were going to be in the hundreds. That's tragic. The amount of extra, unnecessary cases, hospitalizations, and deaths should be portrayed as vividly, as dramatically, as morbidly as possible. This isn't "we tried our best, but some people still died" which is lamentable but at least understandable. This is negligence, incompetence, and insanity leading to, in those 100 days (the first 50 on record and the assumed next 50 being a mirror image) almost as many dead Floridians as total homicides in the USA. And the USA loves it some homicides. We kill the fuck out of each other, it's a disgrace. Florida just loves killing itself that much more.

And for what? Florida's jobs or GDP? It didn't work. Florida is in the middle of the pack for unemployment. And I don't have any more recent GDP info than Q1 so maybe I shouldn't have used that, but in Q1 2021 at least, Florida didn't grow much faster the USA, +7.0% Florida +6.4% country. That's not great results for the number of people they sacrificed to make it happen. And it's not like Florida gives more to the federal govt than it gets back, they're a well-known welfare state.

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Something seriously needs to be done about all these idiots taking this dewormer crap for covid.

If nothing else, I'm "looking forward" (sarcasm) to the reports of farmers watching their livestock die because they couldn't get medicine for them.

[Poopymonster]

Something seriously needs to be done about all these idiots taking this dewormer crap for covid.

There is. They die. DRT (Dead Right There). If they don't die from it, these people go to the ER, possibly DOA (Dead On Arrival). Said hospital is already chock full of Covid cases and has no beds. THEN they die. Right there.

Seems like the problem is sorting itself out. Horrifically. Painfully. But they are sorting themselves out. Of life.

[Breccia]

Once again, it's time for Guess the Speaker!

The bigger problem with that is the guys that are in prison right now are holding on to hope that everybody is fucking staying put because they didn’t do anything wrong. The moment that they think one of the guys flipped, it throws everything off and it makes everybody turn on each other, and that’s what we are trying to fucking avoid.

You know it’s hard enough to fight a fucking entire government…to have to worry about dudes in here fucking putting you in felony territory. Not just regular felony, like a serious felony.

"Sounds like the first episode of Archer Vice."

Kind of, but no, that's one of the Proud Boys on audio recording leaked to Reuters. Apparently four of the more prominent Proud Boys were arrested and there was a rumor one of them talked to the feds, cutting a deal, and that guy was telling everyone else to simply stay cool and hope this whole murderous insurrection blows over without the four of them tearing each other to shreds.

"If they committed no crime, why would they worry about one of their own ratting them out?"

They wouldn't. They know they fucked up.

"Isn't telling someone not to talk to the cops witness intimidation, aka Obstruction of Justice?"

Yes.

"Did it work?"

Well, someone gave the audio to Reuters, so I'm guessing "no".

"So that's one of the four that was arrested?"

Actually no, the guy recorded was, heh, arrested two days before the murderous insurrection for setting fire to a church. Oh, and having an assault rifle. Yes, he was likely bringing an assault rifle to the "peaceful, loving tourist stuff" in the Capitol, but didn't get to bring it because he was too busy burning a Black Lives Matter banner in broad fucking daylight. Can you imagine your alilbi for a major crime being that you were in jail for a lesser crime? Talk about dodging a murderous insurrection.

"Well he sounds like an upstanding citizen that would never turn on his fellows."

He was arrested by the FBI in 2012 and worked for them multiple times, going undercover even.