Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Lenonis]

it's interesting if nothing else how trump cultivates such cult-like loyalty

It's baffling. This guy is everything they supposely hate. A rich coastal Hollywood elite.

- - - Updated - - -

That suggests insane orating skills or strong charisma.

Or a strong propaganda network with a very gullible group of people.

[Ivanstone]

what I mean is if Trump is paying you, it makes sense you would be loyal even if you might hate someone internally since people will do anything for the money nowadays. But it's the fact he has these devoted followers that he has no direct association with. That suggests insane orating skills or strong charisma.

The only thing Trump has shown is a complete lack of shame. Turns out that’s what some of the people wanted.

[Breccia]

it's interesting if nothing else how trump cultivates such cult-like loyalty

Are you suggesting that you identify with said cultists? Because that doesn't sound like you disapprove. It actually sounds like you approve.

Please, explicitly declare whether you personally approve or disapprove of worshipping Trump as a god.

- - - Updated - - -

It's baffling. This guy is everything they supposely hate. A rich coastal Hollywood elite.

He's also a serial adulterer, a thief, an attempted insurrectionist, an idolator, and fat. There is nothing in his actions which expresses any form of Christian behavior. Christians don't typically gas people on the way to church, a church they don't go inside, and typically don't hold Bibles upside-down. The only thing he's done that is religious is say "I am religious" in between calling for violence and hatred, and for some reason people @YUPPIE might identify with actually believe that Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ would approve of Trump's behavior.

That would explain replacing God with Trump, because Trump does not fit Christianity, but why worship someone with such character traits outside of Daedric princes? This isn't Greek Mythology. You don't worship chaotic, evil entities because you're afraid they might kill you and your family if you don't.

[Gorsameth]

It's baffling. This guy is everything they supposely hate. A rich coastal Hollywood elite.

And yet he is also everything they aspire to be. They want to be rich (yes, Trump isn't actually all that rich), fuck pornstars and walk in on models changing.

[Machismo]

And yet he is also everything they aspire to be. They want to be rich (yes, Trump isn't actually all that rich), fuck pornstars and walk in on models changing.

Don't forget, some of those models were underage.

[DarkTZeratul]

Don't forget, some of those models were underage.

"If there's grass on the field, play ball!"

God, I feel filthy even having typed that as a quote...

[Breccia]

Don't forget, some of those models were underage.

Are we talking about Trump openly bragging in public that he could just walk into underaged girls' dressing rooms? Because I think we're talking about Trump walking into underaged girls' dressing rooms, then admitting it.

[Machismo]

Are we talking about Trump openly bragging in public that he could just walk into underaged girls' dressing rooms? Because I think we're talking about Trump walking into underaged girls' dressing rooms, then admitting it.

This is what baffles me about Trumpsters, he fucking bragged about it.

It's why I broke off contact with my mother. In our last conversation, she tried to blame the victims of ssxual assault, while she was talking to her niece and grandson, both of whom were the victims of sexual assault, were both children when it happened, and both were afraid to come forward.

Picture that setting, and screaming that the people who wait to report it are just making it up for attention.

The is why they should never get to live down their choices, because of just how abhorrent they behaved. Picture your own grandmother blaming you for being sexually assaulted at 5 years old.

[Endus]

what I mean is if Trump is paying you, it makes sense you would be loyal even if you might hate someone internally since people will do anything for the money nowadays. But it's the fact he has these devoted followers that he has no direct association with. That suggests insane orating skills or strong charisma.

Cults don't take "insane orating skills" or "strong charisma". They mostly involve appealing to the insecurities of the emotionally vulnerable.

As does fascism, for pretty much the same reason.

When you get racist people who are freaked out by how intolerant modern society is becoming towards racism, and a moist fart of a human being says "oh, but you're the one who's right, those feelings you feel are the right feelings and you should be proud of them", you won't care that he sounds like a whiny toddler or that he has the physical presence of the Halloween pumpkin you still haven't cleared off your front porch. All you care about is that he accepts your negative qualities that you use to primarily identify yourself, and you'll break through police lines to assault the Capitol for the guy.

Because you're an idiot and you have next to no self-esteem, because you know you're a terrible human being. Not because the moist fart of a rotten pumpkin "leader" is particularly gifted at anything. He was just the disgusting security blanket you needed in that moment.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/gop-lawmakers/58...ut-for-bigotry

In the ongoing saga of, "No, we're not all racist fucks, really!" - Boebert is bag with a fictional tale about Rep. Omar, which never happened, joking that because Rep. Omar wasn't holding a backpack that Boebert wasn't concerned about the security guard running for the door to the elevator they shared.

Boebert has of course half-heartedly apologized, as any good actor would do.

But I'm 100% here for kicking all the racist actors off committees. Like, being an elected official is a privilege and it comes with responsibilities like acting like a god-damned professional and adequate human being. If a member cannot meet this subterranean bar, they have no right having any legislative authority on committees and should exist purely as a floor vote and sponsor. This isn't a "Republican" thing, this is a general thing, it just seems that members of the Republican caucus have the biggest issues with this.

[YUPPIE]

What pulled you in?

to trump, not much now.

but some right-wing ideals have always interested me even if people dismiss them as fascist or abhorrent. I want to live in a militaristic nation that solves poverty by giving a role to all its citizens, even if it's labor or mandatory conscription. And, of course, takes shit from no foreign powers and is assertive.

I don't know what's happened to the US over time for it to lose its image of absolute strength over others. Now while people might dispute the military might of the US waiting under the surface, from a political point of view, we just get bullied around by China and other hostile powers and look pretty damn foolish on top of having internal political strife.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

[Machismo]

https://thehill.com/gop-lawmakers/58...ut-for-bigotry

In the ongoing saga of, "No, we're not all racist fucks, really!" - Boebert is bag with a fictional tale about Rep. Omar, which never happened, joking that because Rep. Omar wasn't holding a backpack that Boebert wasn't concerned about the security guard running for the door to the elevator they shared.

Boebert has of course half-heartedly apologized, as any good actor would do.

But I'm 100% here for kicking all the racist actors off committees. Like, being an elected official is a privilege and it comes with responsibilities like acting like a god-damned professional and adequate human being. If a member cannot meet this subterranean bar, they have no right having any legislative authority on committees and should exist purely as a floor vote and sponsor. This isn't a "Republican" thing, this is a general thing, it just seems that members of the Republican caucus have the biggest issues with this.

Add her to the list of overt racist shitbags in the GOP.

[Lenonis]

to trump, not much now.

but some right-wing ideals have always interested me even if people dismiss them as fascist or abhorrent. I want to live in a militaristic nation that solves poverty by giving a role to all its citizens, even if it's labor or mandatory conscription. And, of course, takes shit from no foreign powers and is assertive.

I don't know what's happened to the US over time for it to lose its image of absolute strength over others. Now while people might dispute the military might of the US waiting under the surface, from a political point of view, we just get bullied around by China and other hostile powers and look pretty damn foolish on top of having internal political strife.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

Uhhh. If you want to move to North Korea just do so.

[Elegiac]

but some right-wing ideals have always interested me even if people dismiss them as fascist or abhorrent. I want to live in a militaristic nation that solves poverty by giving a role to all its citizens, even if it's labor or mandatory conscription. And, of course, takes shit from no foreign powers and is assertive.

You have no place in a civil society. Sorry.

[Benggaul]

Y'all giving the sealion a warm welcome back? Alright, you do you I suppose.

Meanwhile I was amusing myself looking up "Boebert" on Urban Dictionary.

[Yuujin]

to trump, not much now.

but some right-wing ideals have always interested me even if people dismiss them as fascist or abhorrent. I want to live in a militaristic nation that solves poverty by giving a role to all its citizens, even if it's labor or mandatory conscription. And, of course, takes shit from no foreign powers and is assertive.

I don't know what's happened to the US over time for it to lose its image of absolute strength over others. Now while people might dispute the military might of the US waiting under the surface, from a political point of view, we just get bullied around by China and other hostile powers and look pretty damn foolish on top of having internal political strife.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

What changed is people who need to feel tough instead of being tough. The toughest person in the room is the one who looks like they can beat you up, not the one who says they can.

People, especially those on the Right who support folks like Trump, have gotten more insecure. It isn't enough that there are no real displays of aggression against the United States, instead everything that might be perceived as one has to be treated as one because the Right has become so insecure of how they are perceived both nationally and internationally.

Trump reflects this. He was a man who responded to criticism by calling people names on twitter. He basically tells all these insecure folks in the country that it is okay to be insecure, and it is okay to lash out at others because of that insecurity.

Folks like Josh Hawley, Tucker Carlson, and Donald Trump talking about masculinity and what it means to be a man in their fancy suits, in their comfy chairs, behind their expensive desk, is hilarious. The fact that folks fell for it is pathetic.

The fact that Trump, a guy who is on tape being laughed at by other world leaders, who doted over leaders like Putin, Xi, and Kim, is what the the Right considers to be a tough guy is hilarious. The fact that some folks on the Right depict the overweight golfer who has trouble walking down ramps as a fit, motorcycle riding badass is pathetic.

But Trump told the rest of the USA that you too could be an insecure billionaire, and I think that stayed with folks. Of course, that's why they deny all the support he received from his father because they're fathers were neither billionaires, nor did that have an address book full of the names of everybody and anybody they'd ever need to talk to to be successful but oh God stop you're destroying the delusion!

Conquer your insecurities before they conquer you.

[Kaleredar]

What changed is people who need to feel tough instead of being tough. The toughest person in the room is the one who looks like they can beat you up, not the one who says they can.

People, especially those on the Right who support folks like Trump, have gotten more insecure. It isn't enough that there are no real displays of aggression against the United States, instead everything that might be perceived as one has to be treated as one because the Right has become so insecure of how they are perceived both nationally and internationally.

Trump reflects this. He was a man who responded to criticism by calling people names on twitter. He basically tells all these insecure folks in the country that it is okay to be insecure, and it is okay to lash out at others because of that insecurity.

Folks like Josh Hawley, Tucker Carlson, and Donald Trump talking about masculinity and what it means to be a man in their fancy suits, in their comfy chairs, behind their expensive desk, is hilarious. The fact that folks fell for it is pathetic.

The fact that Trump, a guy who is on tape being laughed at by other world leaders, who doted over leaders like Putin, Xi, and Kim, is what the the Right considers to be a tough guy is hilarious. The fact that some folks on the Right depict the overweight golfer who has trouble walking down ramps as a fit, motorcycle riding badass is pathetic.

But Trump told the rest of the USA that you too could be an insecure billionaire, and I think that stayed with folks. Of course, that's why they deny all the support he received from his father because they're fathers were neither billionaires, nor did that have an address book full of the names of everybody and anybody they'd ever need to talk to to be successful but oh God stop you're destroying the delusion!

Conquer your insecurities before they conquer you.

Suffice to say in short:

Trump is a weak man's idea of a strong man, a poor man's idea of a rich man, and an idiot's idea of a genius.

[Breccia]

we just get bullied around by China and other hostile powers and look pretty damn foolish on top of having internal political strife.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

First, you never answered my direct, specific question. Perhaps because I failed to add "if you don't answer in 24 hours, I get to answer for you". Well, now I have. I asked "Are you suggesting that you identify with said cultists? Because that doesn't sound like you disapprove. It actually sounds like you approve." So fair warning, in 24 hours I will assume you approve of such cultists. And you did use the term "cult-like loyalty" so you can't disapprove of the term. You picked it.

Second, remember the time Trump declared a trade war on China that China won by doing literally nothing while Trump taxed...you? I don't remember the time you called that out as China bullying us and making us look foolish, but it looks like you just did. So, there's that.

Third, you don't get to complain about internal strife when you personally supported the person who ran on it. Remember the time Trump called everyone who wasn't him a RINO? Remember the time Trump promised to have Clinton arrested? He got applause for that. Based on your history, I'm willing to bet you were one of the people applauding. Don't bother answering that last part, you can't prove you didn't and your post history will serve as stronger evidence than "no I didn't".

And fourth, you do know "badass" isn't a requirement for being a leader, right? It's what you want from fictional characters in television shows and movies. If you elected someone solely on the basis of them being a "badass" you might get, oh I don't know, someone who makes appearance on that fake wrestling show, brags about knowing more about blowing the shit out of terrorists than every US general, claims he'd run into a school shooting while 300 pounds on bone spurs when you personally saw him shuffled off a stage months before, then runs the country into hundreds of thousands dead and record-breaking deficit and debt, while being literally laughed off the world stage at the UN. You know. As an example.

[Endus]

to trump, not much now.

but some right-wing ideals have always interested me even if people dismiss them as fascist or abhorrent. I want to live in a militaristic nation that solves poverty by giving a role to all its citizens, even if it's labor or mandatory conscription. And, of course, takes shit from no foreign powers and is assertive.

I don't know what's happened to the US over time for it to lose its image of absolute strength over others. Now while people might dispute the military might of the US waiting under the surface, from a political point of view, we just get bullied around by China and other hostile powers and look pretty damn foolish on top of having internal political strife.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

Coming out as pro-slavery is certainly . . . a take.

[Ivanstone]

I don't know what's happened to the US over time for it to lose its image of absolute strength over others.

When will we get a leader that is actually super badass?

And when was the time the US had absolute strength over others? Oh right while everyone else was rebuilding after WWII. I guess its easy to be tough when no one bombed the shit out of your country.

As for super badass leaders?

The biggest bad ass was Theodore Rooseveldt. He's out there somewhere waiting to beat your ass into the dirt for being an insecure little man baby. He was also pretty progressive for his time and created useful government agencies.

The next biggest bad ass was FDR. A man so tough he looked polio straight in the face, told it to fuck off and then proceeded to act like he was never paralyzed. Have I mentioned that he's also a progressive? He also got more ass on his death bed then you'll get in your entire life.

Meanwhile the one time you regressive shitheads elected a god-damn war hero you promptly failed to give him a second term and he only got elected in the first place because his campaign managers were racist as fuck. He also raised taxes because the last lunatics in office (POTUS Nancy and FHOTUS Ronnie Reagan) ran up the deficit.