1. #21041
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...stion-n1012096

    In case there was any confusion about the origins of this question. It's purely designed to ratfuck the census, an extremely important thing for the country from the federal level down to local cities, to give Republicans political advantages.

    And Ross and everyone else lied about it.

    Throw them mall in jail and fine them for lying. This is horse shit.
    Yep, just read it, but been saying from the moment Trump brought it up. This is the end of democracy... this sets up ways for a party representing a minority of population to maintain power over the majority. Places that already contribute far more than they get back from feds, will get even less.
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    Hey look more voter suppression!

    Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/u....co/0wpVxigd2Q

    From Jake Tapper's Twitter giving you highlights.


    https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...629359617?s=19

    NYT: "Files on those drives showed that he wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats. "

    https://t.co/0wpVxigd2Q
    "...Mr. Hofeller’s charge was to assess the impact of drawing political maps that were not based on a state’s total population — the current practice virtually everywhere in the nation — but on a slice of that population: American citizens of voting age... 2/
    3/ "...Hofeller’s exhaustive analysis of Texas state legislative districts concluded that such maps 'would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites' and would dilute the political power of the state’s Hispanics...
    Yes a no bleep story, but this is coming from a GOP strategist, so adds weight.

    Arghh! @Edge beat me to it . Anyways I worked hard copying and pasting so leaving it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Imagine if Trump had to maintain a full cabinet or face a new election.
    Trump doesn't want a full Cabinet. To the best of my knowledge, he's had a full Cabinet for...uh...it's gotta be less than half his term. This article from Jan 2019 says Trump had 12 Cabinet departures in his first 24 months, which is a record at least in current times. (Cabinets were smaller in previous years, so it's not a fair comparison unless we talk percent, which I'm not doing) This study gives Trump “the record for White House staff turnover, for cabinet turnover and now for the highest turnover within a single department." That department was DHS as the article coincides with the departure of Nielsen.

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    Netanyahu (from linked thread) and Trump have dramatically different situations based on their Cabinet. Netanyahu, because he could not keep one together, could get fired by the voters. Trump, by contrast, is racking up points because he keeps saying "You're Fired!" Of course, there are similarities, including ongoing investigations for corruption and fraud and how they treat brown people. Maybe they'll survive, maybe not.

    I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

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    So Congress never paid for the Wall.

    Trump shut down the government, and took money from other military sources, to build it anyhow.

    Construction was blocked by a judge, because Trump wasn't following the rules.

    Trump filed an injunction so that he could build the Wall anyhow.

    This is dangerously close to OH GOD INCEPTION but the attempt in court to get around the blocking of getting around the block, has been blocked.

    It was the same judge, apparently. He did not bother giving an opinion with his ruling, probably because he gave one last time. It was 56 pages.

  4. #21044
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
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    So Congress never paid for the Wall.

    Trump shut down the government, and took money from other military sources, to build it anyhow.

    Construction was blocked by a judge, because Trump wasn't following the rules.

    Trump filed an injunction so that he could build the Wall anyhow.

    This is dangerously close to OH GOD INCEPTION but the attempt in court to get around the blocking of getting around the block, has been blocked.

    It was the same judge, apparently. He did not bother giving an opinion with his ruling, probably because he gave one last time. It was 56 pages.
    Just when you have forgotten about the wall you realize Trump is still trying to do one of the dumbest ideas ever.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

    Kim Hyok Chol, who led working-level negotiations for the summit in Hanoi between North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump in February, was executed with four other North Korean foreign ministry officials in March, Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported, citing an unidentified source.

    Kim Jong Un’s top aide Kim Yong Chol is reportedly undergoing hard labor, according to the South Korean newspaper report.
    So uh...talks haven't gone well then, I guess.

  6. #21046
    Holy hell that article. I know lawyers always do petty shit, but it's really weird seeing the US government being so incompetent in court.

    "Unless stayed, the Court’s injunction will irreparably harm the Government (and the public) by prohibiting the Government from taking critical steps to stop the flow of illegal drugs from entering the country through the southern border," the filing read.
    Is there any judge in the country who would be compelled by this blatant lie? The drugs are coming through legal ports of entry, the judges know this.

    They also claimed that the preliminary injunctions will "impose irreparable injury" to the Department of Defense "by forever denying it the ability to use these funds for the projects" before the funds expire at the end of the fiscal year in September.
    Who is going to be sympathetic to this argument? The funds were obviously not important if they were willing to take them away from their intended projects to the presidents brain dead project.

    But Justice Department lawyers argued in court earlier this month to Judge Trevor McFadden — a Trump appointee — that the House shouldn't even be allowed to sue the administration.
    Why is the Trump fallback always "Trump can do anything he wants, you can't do anything at all"?

  7. #21047
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Why is the Trump fallback always "Trump can do anything he wants, you can't do anything at all"?
    Because it's all they have. Trump has yet to do anything and the only way to get him to do anything would be if out laws were not there. Of course Trump could always try the legal routes, but we all know he doesn't swing that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true



    So uh...talks haven't gone well then, I guess.
    Its just Kim's way of displaying his disapproval of Biden or whoever wins the DNC ticket

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  9. #21049
    Breaking News from the world of Policy by Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...40653926232064

    On June 10th, the United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into our Country from Mexico, until such time as illegal migrants coming through Mexico, and into our Country, STOP. The Tariff will gradually increase until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied, at which time the Tariffs will be removed. Details from the White House to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    Breaking News from the world of Policy by Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...40653926232064
    I have a hunch the stock market is going to tank tomorrow.
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  11. #21051
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    I have a hunch the stock market is going to tank tomorrow.
    Between that and China playing their "ace" here soon things are going to start to be very...interesting....

  12. #21052
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    ROFLMAO you're hilarious.
    Hes actually 100% telling you the true of law. Stupidity is no excuse when faced with education. Just accept being taught something. Its ok, we arnt all smart.

  13. #21053
    Is Trump really that bad? Sure, he's done a lot of bad stuff, but is he really any worse than Bush?

  14. #21054
    Quote Originally Posted by VGAddict View Post
    Is Trump really that bad? Sure, he's done a lot of bad stuff, but is he really any worse than Bush?
    Yes. Next question.

  15. #21055
    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    Breaking News from the world of Policy by Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...40653926232064
    I actually wonder if this is going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, of course, but this also seems like the sort of thing Trump tweets out and his entire administration (aside from what ever white nationalist helped him write it, stephen miller maybe?) takes it as a surprise.

  16. #21056
    Quote Originally Posted by VGAddict View Post
    Is Trump really that bad? Sure, he's done a lot of bad stuff, but is he really any worse than Bush?
    He's done a fair amount of underlying damage to the civil service that will take years to fix. The Department of State especially but agencies like the EPA, Interior, Energy ect are in basically defunct now running off their best employees/scientists/diplomats (ect). Even the Department of Defense is having staffing issues because the State is defunct now to get into the Department of Defense its up from 6 months for a background check to 12-18 months so the past 2 years we had no new staffing and those who are at retirement age are like we are done with this shit with all the negative changes the Trump Admin made. Its going to take years to recover from this brain drain the past 2-3 years.

    For example my team should have 10-12 people but there are currently only 3 of us. We technically can't do our jobs fixing multiple issues related to our Medical services for the DoD but we can do what we can. Still having to do pretty much 3 people's jobs, the constant threat of not being paid and no end in sight I know I am looking for a new job although I love it...I just can't take these 10-12 hour days because we can't get new people in...

  17. #21057
    Quote Originally Posted by VGAddict View Post
    Is Trump really that bad? Sure, he's done a lot of bad stuff, but is he really any worse than Bush?
    Bush helped create a wave of worldwide terrorism but we didn't really see that until 2014, 6 years after he left office.

    Trump is even harder to quantify. To me one of the worst things about Trump is he makes people reject reality. He tells people not to believe what they see or hear and just listen to him, and they do it.

    He has signed in the most irresponsible tax cuts in us history.

    He has attacked democracy at home and attacks our allies who believe in freedom and embraces and empowers brutal dictators.

    He has given up the title of "leader of the free world"

    He has given voice to white nationalists in his administration (don't even try to tell me Stephen Miller isn't a racist) and emboldened them across the world.

    I'm done listing things but it is safe to call Trump objectively bad from any possible aspect. He's an imbecile who behaves like a mob boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    talks haven't gone well then, I guess.
    What the ever-living fuck? They executed him? Um...can we stop talking to them now? I mean, this is Saudi-level shit.

  19. #21059
    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    Breaking News from the world of Policy by Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...40653926232064
    I love how he's gone from "Mexico will pay for the wall" to "Americans will pay more for Mexican products".

  20. #21060
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    What the ever-living fuck? They executed him? Um...can we stop talking to them now? I mean, this is Saudi-level shit.
    Now now, that's not a nice thing to say about the Saudis. North Korea's authoritarian fucked-upness is WAY beyond Saudi Arabia's.

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