Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Adam Jensen]

Yep, it leads to people like that sailor that just got released from custody for having a hit list of liberal judges and congresspeople. And then you have the MAGA bomber.

Fucking miscarriage of justice that that terrorist-wannabe was let out.

[Orbitus]

Fucking miscarriage of justice that that terrorist-wannabe was let out.

Absolutely. I hope they took all his guns, all his ammo, and barred him from buying weapons ever again.

[Breccia]

Here's how it works.

That is, indeed, how it works. But don't forget the massive hypocrisy.

For example, Trump recently said

In the “old days” if you were President and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism. Remember, “It’s the economy stupid.” Today I have, as President, perhaps the greatest economy in history...and to the Mainstream Media, it means NOTHING. But it will!

Let's leave aside that the 3.2% growth rate, artificially inflated or not, is still lower than his promise and still not the greatest in history.

Trump personally attacked Obama during his second term, when the economy was growing strong. Stronger than it is now, to be clear.

Also, Trump forgot about Johnson, and Truman, and Nixon, and W, all of whom had low unemployment numbers, but also low ratings, at the same time. Why? Because they were fucking something else up. You don't even need to do a Google search on them (land wars in Asia and being Nixon).

Our Ruling

Trump said, "In the ‘old days’ if you were President and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism."

Even setting aside the constitutionally protected right of Americans to petition the government with their grievances, Trump lacks basic evidence for his assertion. At least four prior presidents served during good economic times yet had approval ratings lower than Trump’s are currently, usually because of wars or scandal.

We rate the statement Pants on Fire.

It's not just that Trump says objectively false, stupid things like "noise causes cancer". He does, but it's not just that.

It's not just that Trump does things that hurt the country he's trying to lead, ranging from alienating nearly every country on Earth with National Security Lol tariffs to creating record-breaking federal debt. He does, but it's not just that.

It's that he does both of these, while pretending somehow he's the best bestiest best and everyone else is the worst, despite doing exactly the opposite earlier and claiming the same thing. Trump's unemployment numbers magically changed from 42% to 4% because he said so. Everyone failed in North Korea, except Trump, who didn't fail because he says he didn't fail.

Trump is not just a liar, not just incompetent, and not just a failure. He's a hypocrite, who even as recently as today had to change his views on vaccines because he personally oversaw the worst year this fucking century of a disease we nearly wiped out, and while coming around to the side of "vaccines work" after whatever number of years is a relief,
a) he still had to come around to that side, and
b) he still changed his position -- but based on feelings.

If the country is run by a incompetent, lying hypocrite, it's not being triggered. It's having solid evidence for being upset that the country is led by an incompetent, lying hypocrite. "Triggered" is when someone explains why 3.2% GDP growth is 2.55% after inventory stockpiles are removed, and you say "Spin spin spin!" and pull the tinfoil hat over your ears.

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Absolutely. I hope they took all his guns, all his ammo, and barred him from buying weapons ever again.

Was he convicted of a felony?

If not, he gets to keep his guns.

[Breccia]

As for going to that NRA speech, the shit he's been saying at that doesn't seem promising...

"Thank you for your support of Russian money," Trump said, "and tell Putina to send more when she's out. I'll be really desperate in 18 months."

[Orbitus]

Apparently someone threw their cellphone at Trump. Whoever it was, has bad aim, and who throws a cellphone? Honestly? That is like the Goldmember scene where someone threw a cupcake at Young Dr. Evil and it sticks to the side of his head.

[Breccia]

More on that topic: while standing on a stage paid for by the NRA, Trump announced he would join three other countries in opposition to the Arms Trade Treaty. Those countries are Iran, North Korea and Syria.

"Well why is the UN trying to affect the sovereign gun rights of other countries?"

Well for one, they've said that's not the goal. But the stated goal of the ATT is to reduce weapons into countries that consistently cause human rights violations.

"Well, surely the US can take a stand against human rights abuse without the UN taking our guns!"

Maybe they could, but actually, they're doing the opposite of that. Just the other day, Trump forced a change in a UN resolution against sexual violence:

A U.S. threat to veto U.N. Security Council action on sexual violence in conflict was averted on Tuesday after a long-agreed phrase was removed because President Donald Trump’s administration sees it as code for abortion, diplomats said.

A German-drafted resolution was adopted after a reference was cut referring to the need for U.N. bodies and donors to give timely “sexual and reproductive health” assistance to survivors of sexual violence in conflict.

The U.S. veto threat was the latest in a string of policy reversals that some U.N. diplomats say has been driven by U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, a conservative Christian who staunchly opposes abortion rights.

After the vote French U.N. Ambassador Francois Delattre told the 15-member body: “It is intolerable and incomprehensible that the Security Council is incapable of acknowledging that women and girls who suffered from sexual violence in conflict - and who obviously didn’t choose to become pregnant - should have the right to terminate their pregnancy.”

That's right: it was because Trump changed the rules for other countries, because he's pro-life. Funny, for wanting the UN to butt out of US affairs (even when the treaty says it won't), he has no problem opposing other countries letting rape victims end their unwanted pregnancy.

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This particular tweet grabbed my attention.

The courts are already involved. Again, this is a bad precedent to set: if Trump is allowed to just not enforce a law because he doesn't like it (where was his plan to get better coverage for more people for less money? it vanished like a Trump casino once he got elected) then so is Biden, Sanders, or anyone else.

[Adam Jensen]

Was he convicted of a felony?

If not, he gets to keep his guns.

I don't think he was convicted of anything yet, he hasn't gone to trial I believe.

[Orbitus]

I don't think he was convicted of anything yet, he hasn't gone to trial I believe.

They released him, because apparently googling things like addresses of liberal judges and congressman and where the best place to shoot black people, isn't enough of a warning to know that he will be a terrorist.

[Adam Jensen]

They released him, because apparently googling things like addresses of liberal judges and congressman and where the best place to shoot black people, isn't enough of a warning to know that he will be a terrorist.

What, that sounds like something a perfectly normal person would do.

[Orbitus]

What, that sounds like something a perfectly normal person would do.

Yeah, I go around Googling things like how do I kill certain people all the time. Totally rational.

[RaoBurning]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...bi/3576876002/



This is absurdly dangerous rhetoric.

I'm going to call it "stochastic terror-lighting." Or maybe "stochastic gas-terroring" has a better ring to it. But, yes, this is some deep dangerous rhetoric that's going to continue to get people killed*.

*Billing this as an extension of basically everything since Charlottesville.

[Belize]

Yeah, I go around Googling things like how do I kill certain people all the time. Totally rational.

You don't also stock up on thousands of rounds of ammo, dozens of firearms, and carry around with you a hit list?

Oh.

[Orbitus]

You don't also stock up on thousands of rounds of ammo, dozens of firearms, and carry around with you a hit list?

Oh.

Not normally, but then again, I guess that is the new normal for conservatives nowadays.

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/mick-mulvan...urgers-1407461

President Donald Trump’s interim chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, founding member of the Freedom Caucus and former deficit hawk, defended the Trump administration’s excessive spending bills and $1.5 trillion tax cut in an interview with The Atlantic Thursday.

The Trump administration, he said, is “spending a bunch of money on stuff we’re not supposed to,” and the former Tea Party congressman’s colleagues “accused me of ‘losing’” because of the excessive spending.

But, he said, “at least I’m losing at the very highest levels.”

Mulvaney made his comments in response to Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows recent accusations that the former Office of Management and Budget director was “losing” after his administration helped contribute to a record-high national debt of $22 trillion.

“It sounds like my friend Mick Mulvaney is not winning on some of the fiscal issues down at the White House,” said Meadows.

Spending hikes and tax cuts were responsible for 60 percent of this year's budget deficit. Without the Trump administration legislation, this year's budget deficit would have been the lowest since 2007, about $360 billion, instead of nearly $1 trillion, according to analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

The Trump administration pushed for action to raise the debt ceiling this week, with Mulvaney at the helm, according to reports by The Washington Post. The U.S. government will likely spend $897 billion more than it makes in revenue this year, according to CBO projections.

Increasing the debt ceiling is necessary to pay back the debts the U.S. owes, but while in Congress, Mulvaney and the Freedom Caucus often held the debt ceiling hostage in exchange for spending-reform legislation.

Mulvaney isn’t the first Republican deficit hawk to change his fiscal philosophy after working closely with President Trump. Former House Speaker Paul Ryan opposed spending increases and debt ceiling lifts while President Barack Obama was in office, but strongly supported Trump’s large tax cuts and left Congress with a ballooning deficit.

“It’s a great irony that not just Paul Ryan but Republicans who claim they care so much about the deficit have now presided over huge increases in the budget deficit,” Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen said at the time.

In the Atlantic interview, Mulvaney also described his plans to revive morale for White House staffers. He chronicled his installation of a popcorn machine in his office and his institution of office-wide happy hours.

“When I got here, morale wasn’t what it needed to be,” he said. He commented that he was having such a good time in his role that he had gained 10 pounds. “I eat more with the president now,” he said. “He eats hamburgers all the time.”

So.

Much.

Winning.

[Somewhatconcerned]

I'm going to call it "stochastic terror-lighting." Or maybe "stochastic gas-terroring" has a better ring to it. But, yes, this is some deep dangerous rhetoric that's going to continue to get people killed*.

*Billing this as an extension of basically everything since Charlottesville.

I've been telling you all that he won't leave in 2024. He'll claim fraud, coup or national security and stay. Or hand it over to Don Jr. Either way we're powerless because the military and law enforcement worship this guy so they'll have zero reservations ignoring the Constitution.

[Benggaul]

I've been telling you all that he won't leave in 2024. He'll claim fraud, coup or national security and stay. Or hand it over to Don Jr. Either way we're powerless because the military and law enforcement worship this guy so they'll have zero reservations ignoring the Constitution.

What the fuck are you talking about? I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I have a LOT of military in my family in all branches and every single one of them can't stand his guts nor can their officers from what they can tell. They're all just trying to ride this out, hope their pay does not get affected by his idiot posturing and wait for the next person in office. Trump Tweets about loving the military and police all the time but his actions tell a very different story--and the people in uniform aren't fooled for a second.

[bladeXcrasher]

What the fuck are you talking about? I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I have a LOT of military in my family in all branches and every single one of them can't stand his guts nor can their officers from what they can tell. They're all just trying to ride this out, hope their pay does not get affected by his idiot posturing and wait for the next person in office. Trump Tweets about loving the military and police all the time but his actions tell a very different story--and the people in uniform aren't fooled for a second.

Much more of my military friends both active and retired love the guy than dislike him. There are less than 5 of us that don't like the guy. The others love him, but it's hard to tell if they love him more than they hate Democrats or not.

[Bakis]

I just want to bang his trophy wife and put a soft rubber bullet(I cant venture into report-mode area..) in his head.
I guess it make me normal in terms of 96% of this planets population.

(crap, I gone totally sexist and presumed a male heterosexual population)

[D Luniz]

I just want to bang his trophy wife and put a soft rubber bullet(I cant venture into report-mode area..) in his head.
I guess it make me normal in terms of 96% of this planets population.

I just dont have anything for women they look like they have hard plastic inserts under their skin

[Breccia]

While there were no “immediate” plans to house migrant children at Guantánamo Bay

Jesus Christ. Sending children to Guantanamo? Man, as much as Trump basically proves most negative things people suspect are true, I hope this one's not. Remind me to check Snopes and the like over the next week for debunking because this is fucking evil.