Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

He can't even eat KFC with a knife and fork without CNN

*LOUD ANNOYING BUZZER*



Sorry, you were saying?

Trump has proven on a weekly, often daily, basis that he cannot follow through with the requirements for the job, nor his promises. He shut down the government and still doesn't have his Wall. The tax cut for the rich has been counterproductive. GDP is raising at sub-Obama levels. He started trade wars with no exit strategy. He got laughed out of the UN, reversed the wipeout of measles, suggested destroying Notre Dame cathedral, said noise causes cancer, pushed NK into Putin's arms, has unPresidented level of staff turnover and/or empty seats, takes money from his own campaign and puts it into his pocket, and just to address one of your earlier points, is still facing an unknown number of ongoing investigations because the Mueller report was partially redacted -- and multiple House committees are subpoena-ing his allies and business assets, because there's evidence of multiple crimes.

And your attempt at defense is blatant hypocrisy.

Leftists are not "triggered by everything he does". Because Democrats are, as study after study shows, more likely to be educated, follow things like evidence. There is evidence Trump is failing at his job, in almost every possible way except appointing people (and even that fails, lol Herman Cain). It's not being "triggered" to point to someone doing poorly due to their own words and actions, and saying "he is doing poorly because of his words and actions."

It is being triggered, when you see people citing evidence that your man Trump is doing poorly, to say "NO U MAGA KFC!"

Ignored.

[draynay]

Wait... was that Dijon mustard deal really a thing on Fox? They made a scandal out of Obama having actual taste?

Yes... they're deranged.

[Orbitus]

How has it not aged well? His presidency is one shitshow after another. It is the Circue du Soleil of shitshows. Perhaps you can show how it isn't a shitshow, but something tells me you'll go off, try another strawman elsewhere and/or deflect entirely. I offer you the challenge. Present one good thing he's done, that has huge bipartisan support without as many negatives as positives, for each month of his presidency and you win the thread and argument then we can close the thread. Until then go jump rope.

VanishingAct is one of those that doesn't live in reality. He lives in the Fox News Opinion show bubble. AKA the Hannity bubble.

[Dontrike]

https://twitter.com/jjouvenal/status...089544193?s=19

Wow! AG Barr is not charging this guy for terrorism! The judge even stated he has grave concern. This guy might be released.

May sound nuts, but I hope he goes out and kills someone, just to prove Barr and Trump wrong. I can no longer care if their stupid decisions harm people anymore.

[Kiri]

I'm sure there are some ridiculous, trivial, things people have got upset at Trump over but, this is literally just mustard... holy shit.

Tbh, I think they did not actually care about any of this. It's simply a way to paint Obama as aloof and 'unamerican' to confirm their viewer's biases. The more telling thing is that this was one of the more prominent 'scandals' of that time, meaning they did not have anything more substantial to tell. Trump is on the other end of that spectrum - there is just so much stuff happening on a nigh-daily bassis, that it is actually kind of hard to focus on any one thing for more than a few days.

[Breccia]

Tbh, I think they did not actually care about any of this. It's simply a way to paint Obama as aloof and 'unamerican' to confirm their viewer's biases.

And nothing will ever be a better example of exactly that than the Birther movement.

And we all know who picked up that ball and ran with it the furthest.

[Benggaul]

I have to say by now the thread title hasn't aged well at all. Its more like the 'Leftist screeching shitshow continues while Trumps still winning'. Lets be honest.
Is there any real actual point to this thread or is it just rightwing people laughing at leftwing people seething and screeching at Trump? Because having a quick read of the latest pages thats all it seems to be.

Oh look, kids, a shitpost. Gosh, I haven't seen one of those since, well, five minutes ago.

But let's just hold this one up as an example of how fucking deluded Trump supporters are that they can't see past his MAGA Tweets. Then throw this one on the ignore list with the rest of the trolls, bad-faith posters and baiters.

[Breccia]

UPDATE: It's official. Anti-vaxxer Trump now holds the record for the most measles cases in the US in a single year.

UPDATE UPDATE: Okay, credit where credit is due. it's time for Guess the Speaker!

They have to get the shots. The vaccinations are so important, this is really going around now. They have to get the shots

Yes, surprisingly enough, that's Donald Trump. I guess it's official, he is no longer an anti-vaxxer.

Now, finally coming around to accept that vaccines are a good idea is like coming around to the idea that red means stop. You get no credit for taking several years to come to the only sane, logical conclusion everyone with two brain cells to bang together figured out ages ago. Like, "the Dark Ages" ago. And I personally suspect he did so because being in charge for the largest epidemic IN ALL CAPS is making him look bad. And, it is.

But, since Trump has now officially come out and said "get the vaccine" I can no longer call him an anti-vaxxer. He sure used to be, and he might change his mind again, but for now, he isn't.

For now.

[Pratt]

Hows that impeachment going? Hows that Mueller impeachment going? Who is running against Trump? Bernie? No. Joe Biden? lol so it seems. So Trump is gonna win 2020, and I get to laugh at an extra four years of posts like this. Yeah seems the wall is being built even with the massive amount of resistence against it, afterall Democrats are now desperate to turn democracy into a demographic head count instead of a contest of ideas so they don't want that wall *anymore*. Economy for America seems to being managed as best as it can be under the climate. Wall street was certainly celebrating when he won and dow jones/stocks in general seem to reflect that through its ups and downs. But I think that's a conversation that would go over your head.

Why do you even hate Trump so much? I tell you what, at least his convictions are still the same and don't radically change for votes. Don't worry about what people talk, go by their actions and convictions. If you can spare an hour from your busy schedule, just give this a listen in the background as you go about things on the computer.

The economy is propped up by the largest budget deficits in the history of the country, and tax cuts that made the super rich a whole lot richer, and everyone else got a few scraps. The rest of the Trump presidency has been a constant string of blatant lies, alienating allies, courting 3rd world tyrants, locking kids in cages, more lying, grabbing women by the pussy, being accused of sexual harassment by over 20 women, siphoning taxpayer money into Trump properties, appointing people with no experience to positions of power, inciting racism and right wing violence, praising nazis, even more lying about the dumbest things like where his father was born, directing federal officials to break the law, mocking disabled people, mocking veterans, trying to take away healthcare, destroying checks and balances, denying basic scientific facts, believing Fox News over the gd FBI, tax fraud, running a fraudulent charity where when it was shut down the feds wouldn't even trust him to distribute the remaining funds, running a fraudulent "university. ... I could go on all day.

Zero winning, unless you're racist, don't support democracy, or decency, or following the law, or the truth. I simply don't understand how anyone can look at what's going on and call it leftist crying. The guy is doing objectively terrible things every day that every American should find appalling.

[rda]

The economy is propped up by the largest budget deficits in the history of the country, ...

What data are you looking at?

Budget deficit by fiscal year:

Trump
FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
FY 2018 - $779 billion.

Obama (total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase from before)
FY 2017 - $666 billion.
FY 2016 - $585 billion.
FY 2015 - $438 billion.
FY 2014 - $485 billion.
FY 2013 - $679 billion.
FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget.

Bush (total = $3.293 trillion, a 57 percent increase from before)
FY 2009 - $1.16 trillion.
FY 2008 - $459 billion.
FY 2007 - $161 billion.
FY 2006 - $248 billion.
FY 2005 - $318 billion.
FY 2004 - $413 billion.
FY 2003 - $378 billion.
FY 2002 - $158 billion.

Obama wins here, no?

[Pratt]

What data are you looking at?

Budget deficit by fiscal year:

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Obama wins here, no?

I was going off of articles like this: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-b...al-debt-2019-3. I admit Obama is winning if you go by annual total.

[Fahrenheit]

What data are you looking at?

Budget deficit by fiscal year:

Trump
FY 2019 - $1.092 trillion.
FY 2018 - $779 billion.

Obama (total = $6.785 trillion, a 57 percent increase from before)
FY 2017 - $666 billion.
FY 2016 - $585 billion.
FY 2015 - $438 billion.
FY 2014 - $485 billion.
FY 2013 - $679 billion.
FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
FY 2010 - $1.547 trillion. This is the sum of $1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget.

Bush (total = $3.293 trillion, a 57 percent increase from before)
FY 2009 - $1.16 trillion.
FY 2008 - $459 billion.
FY 2007 - $161 billion.
FY 2006 - $248 billion.
FY 2005 - $318 billion.
FY 2004 - $413 billion.
FY 2003 - $378 billion.
FY 2002 - $158 billion.

Obama wins here, no?

Not if you put that into context of what was happening in 2008-2012. Putting up 1T+ deficits in the worse economic down turn in 80 years is a far cry from putting up 1T+ deficits in a 'booming' economy.

[rda]

Not if you put that into context of what was happening in 2008-2012. Putting up 1T+ deficits in the worse economic down turn in 80 years is a far cry from putting up 1T+ deficits in a 'booming' economy.

No disagreement, however there are other factors as well, such as inflation, etc, plus it just makes sense to be precise.

[kaid]

UPDATE UPDATE: Okay, credit where credit is due. it's time for Guess the Speaker!



Yes, surprisingly enough, that's Donald Trump. I guess it's official, he is no longer an anti-vaxxer.

Now, finally coming around to accept that vaccines are a good idea is like coming around to the idea that red means stop. You get no credit for taking several years to come to the only sane, logical conclusion everyone with two brain cells to bang together figured out ages ago. Like, "the Dark Ages" ago. And I personally suspect he did so because being in charge for the largest epidemic IN ALL CAPS is making him look bad. And, it is.

But, since Trump has now officially come out and said "get the vaccine" I can no longer call him an anti-vaxxer. He sure used to be, and he might change his mind again, but for now, he isn't.

For now.

As with anything Trump says there is a 48 hour window to see if he goes back on to his normal train of thought.

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Not if you put that into context of what was happening in 2008-2012. Putting up 1T+ deficits in the worse economic down turn in 80 years is a far cry from putting up 1T+ deficits in a 'booming' economy.

In theory downturns are where you SHOULD add to the deficit and during good times you pay off that debt. Going that far into debt in the face of in theory one of the best economies we have had since the boom times of the 90s is pretty crazy.

[Adam Jensen]

Not sure if this has been posted yet

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-20/mueller-s-take-on-trump-tape-is-disputed-by-georgian-businessman

Dude needs to recharge his fucking phone.

[Breccia]

As with anything Trump says there is a 48 hour window to see if he goes back on to his normal train of thought.

Funny story: it was the last 48 hours that forced this opinion. He went over the top and has the new measles record. There is no reason to believe the next 48 hours will reverse this -- or even, more realistically, stop adding cases.

I don't think he'll publicly reverse this opinion. He's panicking, screaming for help, because these numbers make him look bad. Unfortunately, he can't claim they're fake, nor can he claim Obama did worse.

Also, it's still not even May. I predicted 800-900 and I'm sticking with it.

[Edge-]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...bi/3576876002/

Early in his speech, he said there was an attempted "coup," calling unspecified actors "bad apples."

He said. "You see it now with all of the resignations of bad apples, they're bad apples. They tried for a coup. Didn't work out so well ... Trying for an overthrow and we caught 'em."

He continued, noting that this was "taking place at the highest levels in Washington, D.C."

This is absurdly dangerous rhetoric.

[Orbitus]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...bi/3576876002/



This is absurdly dangerous rhetoric.

Yep, it leads to people like that sailor that just got released from custody for having a hit list of liberal judges and congresspeople. And then you have the MAGA bomber.

[Adam Jensen]

True, leftists seem to get triggered over every single thing Trump does. He can't even eat KFC with a knife and fork without CNN and leftists on social media losing their shit over it. Fuck I just did a search here on mmo-c and yes there was a lot of butthurt over him eating KFC with a knife and fork back then so I guess you are absolutely right.

Here's how it works.

Trump eats KFC with a knife and fork, we laugh at him for being a goon. If that was the total sum of Trump's scandals, I'd agree with you that it means nothing as much as Obama's "spicy mustard" means nothing.

Trump calls Nazis "fine people," tells an Army widow her soldier wife "knew what he signed up for," mocks a disabled reporter on the campaign trail, mocks John McCain's service because "he likes soldiers that don't get caught," brags about grabbing women by the pussy, we get angry because he doesn't have the temperament for the job.

Then . . . he mistreats Puerto Rico because he doesn't understand they're Americans, pulls us out of the Paris Accords because he doesn't understand how they work, continues to profit with every trip he takes to Mar-A-Lago, attempts to obstruct justice multiple times only to be foiled (as the Mueller report puts it) by incompetence and disloyal minions, has meetings with Putin's advisors in secret that no one knows about, appoints his own family members to positions of power in government, attempts to separate children from migrant families and locks them in cages indefinitely, and hides his financial status from the world (while claiming to be totally transparent), we demand impeachment because of criminal activity, gross human rights negligence, and complete and total incompetence.

And don't get me started on the steaming pile of corrupt shit we can call his cabinet.

So as you can see, there are different reasons why we mock different aspects of his fucking idiocy.

[Breccia]

This is absurdly dangerous rhetoric.

Especially considering the amount of evidence found by Team Trump actions
1) Send multiple people to jail
2) Were enough to have Mueller say "Congress, it's your call."
3) Have WH defense counsel Barr say "This report is perfect and great and Trump has a big penis and...oh, did you want to read it? Um...this report is okay and Trump is okay and we're all okay."

The best Trump can walk away from this with, is "Mueller didn't personally find enough evidence to convict Trump". Even Team Trump had to contradict Trump's claims of "total exonoration" including senile old man Giulliani, even if he took a few swings before he hit it. And Rosenstein today said "Um, guys, shouldn't we be doing something about all that Russian stuff? I mean, collusion or not, they were really trying hard. Maybe someone should do something? Not me, I'm retiring to spend more time with my family."