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  1. #841
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    You prefer to pay $15 every month for the same content instead of $15 once?
    It's not just the Living World, really.

    Everythings monetized.

    You have to spend money to transmog stuff, or make another character to get map completion. You have to spend money to get more than the pitiful amount of bank slots you have now, which they made account-wide just so the effects of a bank alt are diminished. This and bag slots are even scummier by the vast amount of stuff they have which should be able to be deposited into the wallet/storage but doesn't for whatever reason, taking up even more space.

    WoW players complain about store mount but GW2 doesn't even have any free skins other than the default ones. You gotta spend a tenner.

    Limiting build slots and then shutting down any addons which offer build templates just to sell more? Lootboxes? Paid Gathering Nodes in your home instance? 350 Gems to change your hair style, but the lowest quantity of gems you can get is 800.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    You have to spend money to transmog stuff, or make another character to get map completion.
    Notice how many sources of transmutation charges are tied to gems. I have few hundred by doing absolutely nothiing for it. If all you need is gift of exploration, you can delete your character right after getting it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    You have to spend money to get more than the pitiful amount of bank slots you have now, which they made account-wide just so the effects of a bank alt are diminished.
    I'm pretty sure bank is tied to account to make sharing items between characters easier. In WoW you still have to manually track everything across 12 banks and send stuff in mail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    This and bag slots are even scummier by the vast amount of stuff they have which should be able to be deposited into the wallet/storage but doesn't for whatever reason, taking up even more space.
    If they wanted to clutter your inventory more, they wouldn't:
    1) remove runes and sigils from salvage results
    2) rework all the loot in the game to drop as unid
    3) let you drop materials into special storage from any point in the world with one click
    4) move keys to wallet

    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    WoW players complain about store mount but GW2 doesn't even have any free skins other than the default ones. You gotta spend a tenner.
    Well, first of all, there is non-gemstore skin for warclaw. I'm not using this as defense, just a small nitpick.
    WoW players don't know shit about monetization, that's not surprising. You can look at FFXIV selling four-seater mount for $36 and getting praise for it, despite having box price and sub. Compared to that, absolutely optional skins with no special features in a game without sub is fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Limiting build slots and then shutting down any addons which offer build templates just to sell more?
    I'm not going to defend this, they've dropped the ball really hard with templates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Lootboxes?
    With bad luck protection and you can get keys in game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Paid Gathering Nodes in your home instance?
    It takes several years to recoup the gold-to-gem cost though. Also can be gathered by entering another person's home instance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    350 Gems to change your hair style, but the lowest quantity of gems you can get is 800.
    You are free to buy permanent contract on TP and use it all the time.
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    Looking for Raid.
    They never found one though

  3. #843
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's not just the Living World, really.

    Everythings monetized.

    You have to spend money to transmog stuff, or make another character to get map completion. You have to spend money to get more than the pitiful amount of bank slots you have now, which they made account-wide just so the effects of a bank alt are diminished. This and bag slots are even scummier by the vast amount of stuff they have which should be able to be deposited into the wallet/storage but doesn't for whatever reason, taking up even more space.

    WoW players complain about store mount but GW2 doesn't even have any free skins other than the default ones. You gotta spend a tenner.

    Limiting build slots and then shutting down any addons which offer build templates just to sell more? Lootboxes? Paid Gathering Nodes in your home instance? 350 Gems to change your hair style, but the lowest quantity of gems you can get is 800.
    It IS a Buy2Play format, so yeah more is monetized than a subscription. If you took $10 a month and bought gems, you'd probably run out of stuff you want to buy pretty quickly.

    But, of course, there's the easy path (well "easy" being relative) that you can convert gold to gems, so you can just grind gold until you have that extra bank slot you want. I've never gotten one, so I don't think it's needed, but opinions vary. I've converted gold to gems for most of my purchases over the years.

    The main thing I think they do wrong is making folks pay for past living story stuff. I can see maybe the newest set, but even then I think it should be included in the Expansion cost.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  4. #844
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    It IS a Buy2Play format, so yeah more is monetized than a subscription. If you took $10 a month and bought gems, you'd probably run out of stuff you want to buy pretty quickly.

    But, of course, there's the easy path (well "easy" being relative) that you can convert gold to gems, so you can just grind gold until you have that extra bank slot you want. I've never gotten one, so I don't think it's needed, but opinions vary. I've converted gold to gems for most of my purchases over the years.

    The main thing I think they do wrong is making folks pay for past living story stuff. I can see maybe the newest set, but even then I think it should be included in the Expansion cost.
    $10 or 100-200 gold to unlock an entire season (or free when it's fresh) is a whole lot cheaper than having to pay $15/mth every time you want to play content.

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  5. #845
    Well, been back for a month and a half(?) now and I can say that the same old complaints are settling in.

    Gearing and trying out new specs and such is still as annoying as ever. It still feels even grindier than WoW in some ways, mostly because gold is so slow and tedious to actually acquire while runes and new stat prefixes aren't cheap and then are only usable for one role of one class. But I complained about that before, so eh. (Yeah, part of that is probably my own fault for being a big altoholic that also likes to try different builds and such, but that's usually not a problem in most MMOs. It's ironic that it's the "no vertical progression" game that gives me the most hassle about it.)

    But the big thing is that I just never really know why I'm logging in. There's no big goal for me, you can't really hard focus on one thing to progress, and any given activity will probably reward me with pretty much nothing. Go do some long meta event and get 60 silver or something, yay. Do WvW all night and get a ton of boxes of nothing. Fractals are a little better, but then we're getting into even more gear management - especially if I'm interested in playing more than one build or god forbid more than one class. Achievements are mostly just stupid time or gold sinks that aren't interesting to do at all. "Collections" are so interesting! 10 items that are free and easy to get, and then one item that costs 100g! Wow, that's definitely not just a gold sink disguised as a "Collection". Kill 500 Ettins? Wow that's quality content! (Thank you so much!)

    Fortunately the gameplay itself is mostly pretty fun. So when I find something that's enjoyable I do get into it. But the times when that happens are pretty few and far between.

  6. #846
    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus Victoria View Post
    Greetings champions, good to see you, as always.

    This is a question for those who do not play Guild Wars 2 - either people that have already played it, or those who didn't try the game yet and lack something to try it.

    What's preventing you from coming back or playing this game?
    It has not caught my attention.
    I've not seen or heard anything about it that makes me go "hey, i should check this out".
    This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
    Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.

    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.

  7. #847
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Fortunately the gameplay itself is mostly pretty fun. So when I find something that's enjoyable I do get into it. But the times when that happens are pretty few and far between.
    That's sort of my issue with GW2, I love the gameplay and running around doing random stuff. The story though, is just infrequent and current set is not engaging. The mass battles quickly turn tedious in the story events as every enemy just focuses on my mesmer and the NPC's just stand there watching.

    I've got enough currency of various sorts, what I need is Achievement points, but of course I long ago maxed out on the earn as you play ones (daily, salvage, whatever), so it's all just grinds and stuff I don't feel like doing.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  8. #848
    You can't customize the UI layout or the choice of keys for your weapons' abilities. At least you couldn't last I checked, is that still the case? If so, that's a complete dealbreaker.

  9. #849
    I've heard they made some part of the world no longer explorable (some main city or something). I'm 90% confident it's true, and if it is, I really don't want to fall into that trap and have anything to do with this game

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    I cannot remember if I ever answered this question. I play WoW because it is an habit, I guess. I am not much a RPG guy. I played Skyrim and Fallout 4 and I think that's it in the last 10 years. So I am not interested about WoW competition because I am not interested to play another MMORPG. At heart, I am a fan of sandbox/simulation/strategy games. My top played games on Steam at the moment are Cities Skylines, Medieval Engineers and Franchise Hockey Manager.

  11. #851
    Honestly its just how bad the game is performance wise in cities and large groups.

  12. #852
    I feel like there isnt much in terms of vertical character progression in GW2. i have full ascended gear, and last time i checked, other than a ridiculous legendary weapon grind, theres nothing better than that.

  13. #853
    Microtransactions that are so prominant, i've heard you can turn off other peoples microtransactions but I havent played in years so i'm not sure myself.

    Leveling up felt too fast. Before launch I thought it was good that the leveling curve normalised after a certain point but looking back I cant help but feel disappointed about it.

    This probably doesnt affect most people but I felt there were too many containers that drop from enemies, or achievement containers etc. According to the gw2wiki there are 2,759 containers/boxes in the game.. it's like the developers feel they need to wrap everything in another box.. and when that box drops a stupid green trident.... yeah.

  14. #854
    I've been playing GW2 on and off over the past years but it never managed to keep me hooked for more than a week or two.
    The reasons are numerous, but here's a few:

    - It still runs terribly. I don't think I've ever seen a game that made such little effort in adressing its performance shortcomings as GW2. Almost a decade and like 6 processor generations later people still wonder if their new PC will be able to run it well and the answer remains the same: no. The fact that the DX12 fanmade patch was able to fix some of these problems is strong evidence that the issues are solvable but the developers just don't care to do so.

    - The PVE metagame is very unintuitive for me. Stacking my squishy glass cannon elementalist in melee range of bosses will just never feel right. This has kept me out of raids and fractals ever since despite being a fairly hardcore raider in WoW. It was just something that I always felt like it should be my cup of tea, but ultimately wasn't.

    - The story is a complete mystery to me. I've never been a big fan of strong characterdriven storytelling in MMOs. In my opinion the correct way to do it is "I am a nobody doing something" rather than "I am a somebody doing nothing". Being fairly far removed from the storytelling made the required story quests feel very strange as they would just keep throwing story characters at me that I was supposed to care about, but I usually had no idea who they were.

    - It's simply not deserving of the Guild Wars name. This is probably a pretty controversial point, but ever since GW2 came out I've been deeply DEEPLY disappointed by how they've decided to honor the GW1 heritage. Making a game full of cookie cutter builds with some very minor gear choice options as successor to one of the most diverse RPGs I've ever played is in all honesty a great shame.

  15. #855
    Quote Originally Posted by NihilSustinet View Post
    I feel like there isnt much in terms of vertical character progression in GW2. i have full ascended gear, and last time i checked, other than a ridiculous legendary weapon grind, theres nothing better than that.
    to me that's the best part of the game. fuck that ilvl grind nonsense WoW made popular!
    I had fun once, it was terrible.

  16. #856
    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Icon View Post
    to me that's the best part of the game. fuck that ilvl grind nonsense WoW made popular!
    i just feel like theres nothing to do thats worth doing. i guess im just motivated by advancement too much. if i dont feel like my characters is getting stronger, i get bored quickly. same reason why as much as i love the game, i bounce off of warframe every time i go back to it.

  17. #857
    Quote Originally Posted by NihilSustinet View Post
    i just feel like theres nothing to do thats worth doing.
    Gold inflation is a huge part of this, too.

    Used to be you could go out and do a few things and actually have made enough currency to buy some gear, or get a new character slot, or kit one of your characters out with bag slots.

    Now nothing is worth anything. All you're doing is praying for a super-rare drop to make you rich, or buying gems, resigning yourself to the fact that you need to spend hours upon hours doing the same old stuff to even get close to a useful amount of currency.

    Granted, at least you can technically just "do anything" to get that gold, but when you have a goal or new build or something in mind, it's absolutely the pits to just be waiting through it knowing you can't speed it up by doing something.

    At least in a game like WoW if I want X I can go do Y to get it. I don't need to go find Mankrik's Wife every day to get 20 copper to try to build up to 50 gold to get one piece of gear I'd need just to play a support spec on one class.

    I heard a GW2 streamer the other day saying that despite not being a "vertical progression" game, GW2 is actually one of the most grindy games on the market. I didn't always think that, but over time it has definitely become true.
    Last edited by Bovinity Divinity; 2021-04-27 at 02:33 AM.

  18. #858
    Quote Originally Posted by Scorned View Post
    You can't customize the UI layout or the choice of keys for your weapons' abilities. At least you couldn't last I checked, is that still the case? If so, that's a complete dealbreaker.
    UI, no (it's minimalist). But you can fully rebind every ability (weapon, support skills, any class-specific mechanics) to whatever the heck you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    I've heard they made some part of the world no longer explorable (some main city or something). I'm 90% confident it's true, and if it is, I really don't want to fall into that trap and have anything to do with this game
    Old Lion's Arch is gone for story reasons (happened in Living Story S1, which is sadly not replayable, and apparently the "lost" the old data and can't bring it back). It's functionally no different than the update the Stormwind in WoW. The city is still there, it's just different than its original version.

    Quote Originally Posted by NihilSustinet View Post
    i just feel like theres nothing to do thats worth doing. i guess im just motivated by advancement too much. if i dont feel like my characters is getting stronger, i get bored quickly. same reason why as much as i love the game, i bounce off of warframe every time i go back to it.
    This won't be the game for you then as it focuses on horizontal progression. What's left to do? Farm more gear. Work on achievements for those rewards etc. etc. But it's not for everyone (I usually don't have too much motivation to work on achieves).

  19. #859
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    UI, no (it's minimalist). But you can fully rebind every ability (weapon, support skills, any class-specific mechanics) to whatever the heck you want.



    Old Lion's Arch is gone for story reasons (happened in Living Story S1, which is sadly not replayable, and apparently the "lost" the old data and can't bring it back). It's functionally no different than the update the Stormwind in WoW. The city is still there, it's just different than its original version.



    This won't be the game for you then as it focuses on horizontal progression. What's left to do? Farm more gear. Work on achievements for those rewards etc. etc. But it's not for everyone (I usually don't have too much motivation to work on achieves).
    that was the only place I cared about exploring this one : https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/...h_i_feel_like/
    such a shame
    were the "boats" actual places you could explore or were they just showed for the scenery with no actual interior (also remembering an halloween skin for that place)

  20. #860
    I tried logging into GW2 twice this past year on a level 80 engineer in a town. Problem is I don't really know where the action is or how to get there. So then I just log out.
    Last edited by ro9ue; 2021-04-27 at 05:32 PM.

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