Unstable Arcanocrystal For all XD!

[Kyanion]

Just do the math man.

Yes please do the math, man. Humor us. Let us know what you come up with and then tell us when you decide to equip that 860 Arcanocrystal to up your dps. You are wrong and should just stop talking in this topic to be totally honest. This isn't even just a 'sim it' thing. This is a go look at the fucking logs and research this if you are going to spout such junk.

[Ozyorkbourne]

Aman'Thul's Vision is now an item level 1000 legendary that does not share the 2 equipped restrictions of other legendaries. However, you can still only equip one Path of the Titan trinket, itself included.

Aman'Thul's Vision
+1,430 Critical strike
+1,430 Haste
+1,430 Versatility
+1,430 Mastery
Equip: Your spells and abilities have a chance to grant you 2200 Speed, Avoidance, and Leech for 12 sec.

Aman'Thul's Grandeur
When empowered by the Pantheon, your Intellect is increased by 6700 for 15 sec.

Ya thoughts XD

I'm just pleased that they clarified this does not count towards your 2 legendaries equipped.

[Fabinas]

So this trinket + 970 TF arcanocrystal = Godmode forever?? :O

Not forever. Just till the next expansion.

[Jaylock]

Yes please do the math, man. Humor us. Let us know what you come up with and then tell us when you decide to equip that 860 Arcanocrystal to up your dps. You are wrong and should just stop talking in this topic to be totally honest. This isn't even just a 'sim it' thing. This is a go look at the fucking logs and research this if you are going to spout such junk.

Unstable Arcanocrystal is not the best fucking trinket for dps anymore. what the hell is your problem? There are SO many better trinkets that are dropped in ToS that out perform Arcanocrystal plain and simple.

Just because a program tells you that having each stat of the arcanocrystal provides x number of dps more doesn't mean that it is true. It doesn't take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters.

Unless you have a rotation bot doing every movement and press of your dps abilities perfectly, no Unstable Arcanocrystal is not a better trinket.

[Fabinas]

Unstable Arcanocrystal is not the best fucking trinket for dps anymore. what the hell is your problem? There are SO many better trinkets that are dropped in ToS that out perform Arcanocrystal plain and simple.

Just because a program tells you that having each stat of the arcanocrystal provides x number of dps more doesn't mean that it is true. It doesn't take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters.

Unless you have a rotation bot doing every movement and press of your dps abilities perfectly, no Unstable Arcanocrystal is not a better trinket.

Stop trolling. Stat Sticks just plainly boost your performance by their respective value. It's Trinkets with procs that take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters. Imbecile.

[Jaylock]

Stop trolling. Stat Sticks just plainly boost your performance by their respective value. It's Trinkets with procs that take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters. Imbecile.

Nice insult, but timing your use ability with things like heroism and "burn" phases of an encounter provide a much better opportunity to increase dps than a flat stat stick.

[Phookah]

But, what you just described is capable of having human error. In your last post, you proclaim Arcano can't be better because of human error.

Make up your mind.

Arcano has no human input. It's a stick with stats.

On-use trinkets can be used at the wrong time, therefore can have human error. So... explain your argument.

I'll give you a hint: His argument is long, brown, smells bad and comes from his ass.

[Fabinas]

Nice insult, but timing your use ability with things like heroism and "burn" phases of an encounter provide a much better opportunity to increase dps than a flat stat stick.

Others above my post have answered. Keep at your failed attempts tho.

[Marrilaife]

timing your use ability with things like heroism and "burn" phases of an encounter provide a much better opportunity to increase dps than a flat stat stick.

Sims already take it into account. There is always a human input at the start of the sim that programs the "if... then" rotation, so it's perfectly capable of programming the rotation in a way "only use this trinket if heroism is up and your class cd is up or the boss is about to die in x seconds" etc.

Sims can be wrong if a person programming the rotation is worse at playing the spec than you are. Maybe top tier players can invent more creative rotation or something, but majority of the players who just follow a guide, an addon, or an ability priority list will do the same thing as the sim calculates, just with human error.

Just because a program tells you that having each stat of the arcanocrystal provides x number of dps more doesn't mean that it is true. It doesn't take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters.

Unless you have a rotation bot doing every movement and press of your dps abilities perfectly, no Unstable Arcanocrystal is not a better trinket.

Non stat stick trinkets are actually more prone to human error, proccing at unlucky moments, and so forth, while stat sticks (like arcano) are always there and they're the most noob friendly type of trinket, you don't need luck, planning, aligning it with anything and so on.

A trinket like the owl (sentinel's medallion from sisters) has endless possibilities for a player to fuck it up, from using it at wrong moment, on a wrong target, not aligning with cds, waiting too long to use it, getting screwed with movement / boss ability after using it and so forth.

Yes, it sims really high for my mage but that's assuming specific scenario. I usually sim for "light movement" instead of patchwerk, so it accounts some dps loss from having to move at specific intervals, but still a boss mechanic might happen at different intervals in real fight, screwing you over more. If you have a stat stick, a dps loss from movement / reacting to mechanic is only determined by your class abilities (like wasting a dps cd), if you have a different type of trinket, you can lose more dps if the movement happens when the trinket procs / is used by you.

If sims tell you proc / use trinket > arcano, that means in specific, perfect scenario. If they tell you arcano > other trinket, there is next to zero chance this other trinket will actually outperform it, except fringe cases like some sim programmers having problems accounting best / worst case of convergence due to its interaction with the class kit (instead of being a standalone trinket ability).

There were tons of trinkets in Legion that were just unreliable and frustrating to use, like Chrono Shard, the perfect case scenario with it would rarely if ever happen.

Having stat sticks being good in value AND reliable / always on is what made them so popular.

Also for classes that needed a specific secondary stat breakpoint / softcap these trinkets allow them to reach these easier, allowing more wiggle room in other pieces, and since legendaries / tier sets can lock some gear slots solid, you have less opportunity to tailor the stats to your liking, especially with no reforge and very limited enchants / gem slots.

[Kyanion]

Unstable Arcanocrystal is not the best fucking trinket for dps anymore. what the hell is your problem? There are SO many better trinkets that are dropped in ToS that out perform Arcanocrystal plain and simple.

Just because a program tells you that having each stat of the arcanocrystal provides x number of dps more doesn't mean that it is true. It doesn't take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters.

Unless you have a rotation bot doing every movement and press of your dps abilities perfectly, no Unstable Arcanocrystal is not a better trinket.

You are right. IGNORE Simcraft. Okay? Now go look at FUCKING LOGS of people doing the top damage for many specs. Then take a hard look at the trinkets they use. Notice a pattern in one of the slots? There are some classes/specs it might not be BiS for but there are some where it sure as hell is. Also I love your drivel about human error and reaction time. You know what improves your damage if you have poor reaction time? Flat stat trinkets like the Arcanocrystal. No wasted 'proc' or on use to worry about. Flat stats. Derp?

You are being willfully ignorant to the point where you are trying to spread misinformation as if that is your daily agenda. Knock it off.

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Nice insult, but timing your use ability with things like heroism and "burn" phases of an encounter provide a much better opportunity to increase dps than a flat stat stick.

Oh sure because on proc trinkets ALWAYS line up perfectly with burn phases or bloodlusts. Right Gaiz!?

[Sanguinerd]

I really hate stat trinkets

[Nurvus]

Aman'Thul's Vision is now an item level 1000 legendary that does not share the 2 equipped restrictions of other legendaries. However, you can still only equip one Path of the Titan trinket, itself included.

Aman'Thul's Vision
+1,430 Critical strike
+1,430 Haste
+1,430 Versatility
+1,430 Mastery
Equip: Your spells and abilities have a chance to grant you 2200 Speed, Avoidance, and Leech for 12 sec.

Aman'Thul's Grandeur
When empowered by the Pantheon, your Intellect is increased by 6700 for 15 sec.

Ya thoughts XD

Actually, I think it will share Legendary AND Path of Titan status.
So you can have this + 1 Legendary and that's it.

[Marrilaife]

Actually, I think it will share Legendary AND Path of Titan status.
So you can have this + 1 Legendary and that's it.

Wouldn't be surprised if so, and for some classes it might even be worth it, because they either have 1 very strong legendary atm and that's it, or wide selection of extremely watered down and overnerfed legendaries so none of them are really "can't sacrifice" status.

Not even mentioning people who are unlucky enough to play a class that has clear BIS one but they didn't obtain it.

[Deleted]

Still waiting for your calculations @Jaylock. Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claims? Or are we to take advice without proof from someone who is barely able to clear Heroic each tier?

If you're going to claim that the extensive research done to perfect the Simcraft APL each tier is blatantly underestimating the value of all ToS trinkets, then you need to supply proof to back up that claim. If you don't have any, which is by now abundantly clear, then you need to stop derailing this thread and intentionally spreading wrong information. It adds absolutely nothing to this discussion.

I expect the mods to intervene here and expect higher quality discussion on this board except for "you're all wrong, my hidden math shows it's better than what everyone else says and it's better than what real life data indicates, but I'm not going to explain why or show how."

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Unstable Arcanocrystal is not the best fucking trinket for dps anymore. what the hell is your problem? There are SO many better trinkets that are dropped in ToS that out perform Arcanocrystal plain and simple.

Just because a program tells you that having each stat of the arcanocrystal provides x number of dps more doesn't mean that it is true. It doesn't take into account human error and reaction time, and movement in boss encounters.

Unless you have a rotation bot doing every movement and press of your dps abilities perfectly, no Unstable Arcanocrystal is not a better trinket.

You managed to get every paragraph here fundamentally wrong.

1. Arcanocrystal is de facto the best trinket for a lot of DPS specs. It's backed up by the mathematical model, by the actual data and by general community consensus.

2. Sims do account for human error and you can even tweak these values to closely match your real world performance. That said, the Arcanocrystal is a stat stick so it has the least amount of variance on each encounter. You're shooting yourself in the knee here: it's actually on-use trinkets who are generally more overvalued in sims than stat sticks due to the sim correctly delaying trinkets to align with big cooldowns, or delaying for an execute phase or aligning with Heroism/Bloodlust. Simcraft is a statistical model that is field tested every single day by thousands of individuals. Results in the game itself back up its accuracy. Speaking from a MM Hunter perspective: Simcraft is exceptionally accurate for everything except the value of Haste near the 17% cap.

3. As mentioned in the second half of 2, there's no way to misconstrue the value of a stat stick. It's the least susceptible to human error.

[Siglius]

I do wonder however, since this item is going to be a BiS for most classes and it will go to 1000ilvl, why would anyone want to use other, epic titan trinkets that are exclusive with this one. Other titan trinkets will become trash loot no one wants.

The other titan trinkets are upgradable to ilvl 1000 aswell.

[Deleted]

Still waiting for your calculations @Jaylock. Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claims? Or are we to take advice without proof from someone who is barely able to clear Heroic each tier?

If you're going to claim that the extensive research done to perfect the Simcraft APL each tier is blatantly underestimating the value of all ToS trinkets, then you need to supply proof to back up that claim. If you don't have any, which is by now abundantly clear, then you need to stop derailing this thread and intentionally spreading wrong information. It adds absolutely nothing to this discussion.

I expect the mods to intervene here and expect higher quality discussion on this board except for "you're all wrong, my hidden math shows it's better than what everyone else says and it's better than what real life data indicates, but I'm not going to explain why or show how."

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You managed to get every paragraph here fundamentally wrong.

1. Arcanocrystal is de facto the best trinket for a lot of DPS specs. It's backed up by the mathematical model, by the actual data and by general community consensus.

2. Sims do account for human error and you can even tweak these values to closely match your real world performance. That said, the Arcanocrystal is a stat stick so it has the least amount of variance on each encounter. You're shooting yourself in the knee here: it's actually on-use trinkets who are generally more overvalued in sims than stat sticks due to the sim correctly delaying trinkets to align with big cooldowns, or delaying for an execute phase or aligning with Heroism/Bloodlust. Simcraft is a statistical model that is field tested every single day by thousands of individuals. Results in the game itself back up its accuracy. Speaking from a MM Hunter perspective: Simcraft is exceptionally accurate for everything except the value of Haste near the 17% cap.

3. As mentioned in the second half of 2, there's no way to misconstrue the value of a stat stick. It's the least susceptible to human error.

Don't expect any meaningful answer, he's maining a holy paladin without any mythic kills or any logged kills as dps. Probably just wants to spread some feelcraft about dps classes.

[Fabinas]

Don't expect any meaningful answer, he's maining a holy paladin without any mythic kills or any logged kills as dps. Probably just wants to spread some feelcraft about dps classes.

No, he's a well known troll in these forums and succeeded again in triggering you. You can't have a discussion with him.

[Tradu]

Are you serious?

Just do the math man. 860 vs 915. They improved the gap between raw stats and your main stat in patch 7.1. Or did you not get the memo?

Yeah, they said they did that. In reality their changes had literally the opposite effect. It's almost as if the devs have no idea how math works, as they've repeatedly proven.

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Nice insult, but timing your use ability with things like heroism and "burn" phases of an encounter provide a much better opportunity to increase dps than a flat stat stick.

Which SimC takes into account, try again.

[Kyanion]

No, he's a well known troll in these forums and succeeded again in triggering you. You can't have a discussion with him.

How is it 'triggering' someone if we call him out on it and prove him wrong. All we have 'succeeded' in is making him look like an idiot.

I'm sure everyone spent as much time dealing with him as they would any post in the thread. It isn't 'triggering' if it generates a normal reply.

[Marrilaife]

How is it 'triggering' someone if we call him out on it and prove him wrong. All we have 'succeeded' in is making him look like an idiot.

I'm sure everyone spent as much time dealing with him as they would any post in the thread. It isn't 'triggering' if it generates a normal reply.

Tbh I don't care to "make someone look like an idiot" I care more about the fact some newbie might come along, read the thread, and get wrong ideas, so it's good so many people post logical reasoning why stat sticks / arcano are widely used. Trinkets are one of these things where Blizzard will never accomplish their goal "you should gear for ilvl and you'll be fine if you aren't a cutting edge mythic raider", there are tons of high ilvl garbage ones, and several worth more than their ilvl dictates (arcano, tank / healer DMC for example).

For a layman it's some obscure knowledge "which trinket is good for my spec", so people have to refer to sims, spreadsheets and guides. Things like cinders or spectre from TOS are good for some classes and bad for some other classes even though they share the same trinket pool.

I do wonder however, since this item is going to be a BiS for most classes and it will go to 1000ilvl, why would anyone want to use other, epic titan trinkets that are exclusive with this one. Other titan trinkets will become trash loot no one wants.

Well you don't always get your BIS from the start, so while you're waiting for it to drop you might as well use the other one. Unless it's really garbo for your spec.

Yeah, they said they did that. In reality their changes had literally the opposite effect. It's almost as if the devs have no idea how math works, as they've repeatedly proven.

Yep, really sad there are maybe 3 classes left for whom primary stat stacking makes any sense. I'd rather take the lazy way out with my alts and just slap top ilvl pieces on them instead of "go sim it", but the game doesn't always work in favour of my convenience.