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    What he said

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Strifeload View Post
    If you call Holy for Light. What are you going to call Discipline(half-light-half-paladin)?
    Discipline priests are are actually at this point going for "balance" between Shadow and Light theme, yes. It is not completely flesht out yet tho, as now its more like "mostly light but with bit of shadow" where holy priests are all about the light and spriests... all about the shadow. As I was saying before: In old lore light was the ultimate "good" and shadow was ultimate "evil" but it has changed up quite drastically since then. Even name of "discipline" spec changed its meaning in the process, almost unnoticably.
    It actually strengthens my... concerns. ;]

    Ps: Yes, its quite a nitpicky thread indeed, I am not even trying to deny it anyhow. But If you just don't care why bother replying then? Its open discussion where I'd prefer to read something AGAINST my concerns especially if they are valid and reasonable than to read posts saying that someone "just doesn't care and shouldn't I too.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by FAILoZOFF View Post
    Its can't possibly be true, even from a grammar PoV, holy is just adjective for LIGHT in this case, so for any not devoted follower of light (let alone shadow users/followers) Light is not any... holy.
    That's how it is used in the real world. In WarCraft, Holy can be used as a noun and is generally used interchangeably with Light, just like Void and Shadow.

    That aside, remember that priests stem from the time before Light vs. Void was even a thing in lore.

  4. #24
    Holy is the spell school used by beings of Light. Similarly, Shadow is the spell school that beings of Shadow use. It's there in the map, and it makes complete sense.

    If you're arguing for us to use Light as a spell school instead of Holy, then we'll need to change Arcane damage to Order, Fel to Disorder, and Nature to Life damage. What would be the reasoning behind changing things that are completely logical and balanced as they are now?

    Arcane mages would become Order mages, Holy Paladins would become Light Paladins. Imo, sounds rather stupid.

    I honestly however wouldn't be terribly surprised if 'shadow' damage was changed to 'void' damage in an upcoming patch to fit the theme more though. But that's besides the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAILoZOFF View Post
    ...holy priests are all about the light and spriests... all about the shadow...

    Holy priests are beings of light that utilize Holy. Shadowpriests are beings of Shadow that utilize Shadow.

    a Being of Shadow using Shadow(Void)
    a Being of Light using Holy

    fits perfectly within logic and reason.

    Shadow > Shadow(Void)
    Order > Arcane
    Life > Nature
    Light > Holy
    Disorder > Fel
    Death > Necromantic

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by FAILoZOFF View Post
    When shadow spec is well.. shadow, and not- unholy?
    A priest saying that he specialises in light/shadow magic sounds more fitting than saying that he specialises in... holy.
    Seems inconsistent ;]
    Current naming seems outdated since whole "light" is no longer based on christian religion but rather chinese philosophy, namely "yin yang"
    for paladins "holy" still fits tho, as they are by default "holy warriors" but priests understand/control/use the other side too.

    What is void to a shadow (and vice versa)?
    "Light spec" makes it sound like there's a "Fat spec" somewhere.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Swalload View Post
    "Light spec" makes it sound like there's a "Fat spec" somewhere.
    just as there must be 2 "aggression" specs (somewhere...) as we have 2 protection specs... ;]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylista6 View Post
    Holy priests are beings of light that utilize Holy. Shadowpriests are beings of Shadow that utilize Shadow.

    a Being of Shadow using Shadow(Void)
    a Being of Light using Holy

    fits perfectly within logic and reason.
    Riiiight... almost as if it makes sense, I could give you some point if shadow spec was called void spec then, but otherwise? Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    That aside, remember that priests stem from the time before Light vs. Void was even a thing in lore.
    If you'd read my first post You'd see I was referring to that... and ultimately its what sparked the idea for me. Back in the days light was associated and represented with everything that's good, rightful and overall well... holy(?). Nowadays lore progression indicates clearly that neither light is good nor shadow is bad as they are just primal forces. Not sure if I like it personally, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAILoZOFF View Post
    When shadow spec is well.. shadow, and not- unholy?
    A priest saying that he specialises in light/shadow magic sounds more fitting than saying that he specialises in... holy.
    Seems inconsistent ;]
    Current naming seems outdated since whole "light" is no longer based on christian religion but rather chinese philosophy, namely "yin yang"
    for paladins "holy" still fits tho, as they are by default "holy warriors" but priests understand/control/use the other side too.

    What is void to a shadow (and vice versa)?
    Why would they change their name anyway? Holy is also a spiritual stance, which is what a healer is all about = spirit. Sadly removed form the game as a stat, still the base of all healers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    This is incredibly stupid. You're overreacting and your examples don't make any sense.
    How it is overreacting again? Isnt will of calling holy spec - light now - not overreacting either? I dont want it to be called Light spec, i want it to be called Spirit spec- what you gotta do now?

  9. #29
    Because WoW isn't real? Are you serious here?

    The Light is an entity. A force. Holy is its alignment, its element, its attunement.

    The Void is an entity. A force. Shadow is its alignment etc.

    Unholy technically falls under a different school in WoW. Therefore you're wrong because you don't understand the universe and are trying to apply some kind of grammatical logic to a magical universe... jesus dood.

    Maybe Frost Mages shouldn't be called Frost because they use a Water Elemental, not an ice one. That's basically the same logic and it sounds derpy af. Also, Frost isn't a traditional school of magic in other RPG lore, Ice is. Friggin WoW messing with my stuff...
    Last edited by Goobaman; 2017-10-31 at 04:48 PM.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    This is incredibly stupid. You're overreacting and your examples don't make any sense.
    Supermad spec DH detected.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by FAILoZOFF View Post
    Discipline priests are are actually at this point going for "balance" between Shadow and Light theme, yes. It is not completely flesht out yet tho, as now its more like "mostly light but with bit of shadow" where holy priests are all about the light and spriests... all about the shadow. As I was saying before: In old lore light was the ultimate "good" and shadow was ultimate "evil" but it has changed up quite drastically since then. Even name of "discipline" spec changed its meaning in the process, almost unnoticably.
    It actually strengthens my... concerns. ;]

    Ps: Yes, its quite a nitpicky thread indeed, I am not even trying to deny it anyhow. But If you just don't care why bother replying then? Its open discussion where I'd prefer to read something AGAINST my concerns especially if they are valid and reasonable than to read posts saying that someone "just doesn't care and shouldn't I too.
    Here (in bold in your own post) is your answer: The name of the spec is tradition and made perfect sense when the priest class was first introduced, but since then the lore changed quite a bit--as did our spellbook layout.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by meowfurion View Post
    How nitpicky can someone get? LOL Leave it to us WoW players to be this cynical and critical of such a miniscule thing.

    Hell, why aren't you bitching it's called Guardian, Feral, Restoration and Balance instead of Burr, Kitty, Leaves, and Moon?

    DK: Cold, Evil, Messy

    Lock: Fiery, Filthy, Portal

    Pally: Revenge, Hammers, Flashlight

    Mage: Ice, Burn, Purple

    Priest: Light, Shadow, Bubbles

    Rogues: Hide, Poison, Pirate

    DH: Mad, Supermad

    Etc etc....
    This made me LOL

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Waldor666 View Post
    This made me LOL
    *curtsie* /10char

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