View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #19981
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Imagine if you will that the UK signed up to play for a cricket team for the next 10 years. This involved long term contributions for maintenance of the cricket pitch, club house etc etc. After a couple of years everyone else in the cricket team decides they don't like cricket anymore and to play football instead. The UK says woah no way, we are leaving, we signed up for cricket. The new football team says oh but you still got to pay. The UK just laughs and tells the football team to fuck off and goes to play cricket elsewhere. Got it?
    Then the football club sues you for the remaining money on the contract after you refuse to honour your financial commitments and wins their slam-dunk case of breach of contract.

    Got it?

  2. #19982
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Then the football club sues you for the remaining money on the contract after you refuse to honour your financial commitments and wins their slam-dunk case of breach of contract.

    Got it?
    Then other groups, countries, clubs and sports looks at the person who has shown to be untrustworthy and goes "I can't trust this person to guarantee their commitments so let's make arrangements with the richer, larger, more trustworthy group of people they just left."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Then the football club sues you for the remaining money on the contract after you refuse to honour your financial commitments and wins their slam-dunk case of breach of contract.

    Got it?
    And the UK then says our sovereign interpretation of international law is different from yours and we do not recognise it, sorry nope still not paying.

    Get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And the UK then says our sovereign interpretation of international law is different from yours and we do not recognise it, sorry nope still not paying.

    Get that.
    The question is

    If the UK is unwilling to honor deals they have made and they have shaped why should the UK be trusted on any deal?

    That is the real question

    Is the UK trustworthy at all?

  5. #19985
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And the UK then says our sovereign interpretation of international law is different from yours and we do not recognise it, sorry nope still not paying.

    Get that.
    So you want the UK to be an international pariah state, along with North Korea and Iran. Got it. Glad we cleared up that you hate Britain.

  6. #19986
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And the UK then says our sovereign interpretation of international law is different from yours and we do not recognise it, sorry nope still not paying.

    Get that.
    Fairytale land where there is some kind of imaginary thing called the "UK" where it's borders separate and isolate it entirely from the rest of the world does not exist. Especially the "ruling class" is not bound by borders. Their connections and interests are international.
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.

  7. #19987
    Heck it's very likely that if they refuse to pay and this ends up in the Hague, they will end up paying much more because:
    a) there will be penalties and
    b) some costs that were waived during the negotiations could well be recognized in court if the EU pushes for them

    And ofc it is very unlikely we will finalize any trade agreement while such a case is in court.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    So you want the UK to be an international pariah state, along with North Korea and Iran. Got it. Glad we cleared up that you hate Britain.
    I think you will find in Law the EU owe us 10 billion euro, let's hope they don't want to be international pariahs ey?

    We do not owe the EU any money as a Brexit divorce bill. That is the conclusion that Martin Howe QC, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain, and Charlie Elphicke MP have come to after an exhaustive analysis (click to download full report) of the claims the EU Commission sent to the British Government in June. The Government would, therefore, be right to stand firm and not be blackmailed into a multi-billion pound divorce bill. Particularly as it transpires that the legal position is that the EU owes us €10 billion.


    https://lawyersforbritain.org/we-don...e-eu-any-money

    Howzat!

  9. #19989
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    The question is

    If the UK is unwilling to honor deals they have made and they have shaped why should the UK be trusted on any deal?

    That is the real question

    Is the UK trustworthy at all?
    If you were the Chinese or Russian governments (or anyone else critical of Western hegemony) wouldn't you be absolutely delighted that the two most dominant Western powers are so determined to make themselves as untrustworthy and unlikable as possible???

  10. #19990
    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojo202 View Post
    If you were the Chinese or Russian governments (or anyone else critical of Western hegemony) wouldn't you be absolutely delighted that the two most dominant Western powers are so determined to make themselves as untrustworthy and unlikable as possible???
    Well, EU and US have already proven themselves untrustworthy in Ukraine as far as Russia is concerned.

  11. #19991
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I think you will find in Law the EU owe us 10 billion euro, let's hope they don't want to be international pariahs ey?

    We do not owe the EU any money as a Brexit divorce bill. That is the conclusion that Martin Howe QC, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain, and Charlie Elphicke MP have come to after an exhaustive analysis (click to download full report) of the claims the EU Commission sent to the British Government in June. The Government would, therefore, be right to stand firm and not be blackmailed into a multi-billion pound divorce bill. Particularly as it transpires that the legal position is that the EU owes us €10 billion.


    https://lawyersforbritain.org/we-don...e-eu-any-money

    Howzat!
    I do not recall the EU ever saying that it will not honour any commitments to UK-based organisations. In fact, that blog does not consider the commitments that the UK has made to European Union research projects that are currently active and due to run into the 2020s at all.

    That blog is a collection of hard-brexiteer wet dreams written by lawyers. It is hardly an independent source. In fact, right on the front page it says that they intend to

    Counter attempts to frustrate or delay the implementation of the British people’s decision to leave the EU
    So basically they are Nigel Farage, dribbles and Boris Johnson, except they have a law degree. Excuse me while I look elsewhere for independent, sound legal analysis of Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Well, EU and US have already proven themselves untrustworthy in Ukraine as far as Russia is concerned.
    We give less than a shit as to what bullshit de jour you are using to justify your illegal occupation of Ukraine and the Crimea, comrade.
    Elizabeth Warren is the neighbor in the horror movie who drives by the haunted house and is like “hey guys seems bad in there want to come with me?” and America is the family that’s like “nah it’s probably not that bad there were only chainsaw noises in the night that one time!”

  13. #19993
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I think you will find in Law the EU owe us 10 billion euro, let's hope they don't want to be international pariahs ey?

    We do not owe the EU any money as a Brexit divorce bill. That is the conclusion that Martin Howe QC, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain, and Charlie Elphicke MP have come to after an exhaustive analysis (click to download full report) of the claims the EU Commission sent to the British Government in June. The Government would, therefore, be right to stand firm and not be blackmailed into a multi-billion pound divorce bill. Particularly as it transpires that the legal position is that the EU owes us €10 billion.


    https://lawyersforbritain.org/we-don...e-eu-any-money

    Howzat!
    Not out!

    It's the opinion piece of a bunch of Brexiteer lawyers...

  14. #19994
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Not out!

    It's the opinion piece of a bunch of Brexiteer lawyers...
    Aye, that site is basically the legalese version of the Daily Mail or the Express. Or some Joe Blogg's editorial on blogspot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Not out!

    It's the opinion piece of a bunch of Brexiteer lawyers...
    Not just any old lawyers but silk lawyers, if you please, the finest in the EU. Some of whom write and form EU law for a living...

    Anyone find a better legal opinion by someone more qualified link it? Put up or shut up, get that juicy EU cheque book out and write one for 10 bn payable to the UK, interest is running, chop chop eurochums...

  16. #19996
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not just any old lawyers but silk lawyers, if you please, the finest in the EU. Some of whom write and form EU law for a living...

    Anyone find a better legal opinion by someone more qualified link it? Put up or shut up, get that juicy EU cheque book out and write one for 10 bn payable to the UK, interest is running, chop chop eurochums...
    Interest, insofar any is applicable, doesn't start accumulating until the UK leaves. And that hasn't happened yet. In case you hadn't noticed.

  17. #19997
    Yeah we have some proper Class A politicians in Westminster. One that really does draw the line, one that sees things go up in fragrant smoke and a couple that dodged a spell in the joint.

  18. #19998
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Yeah we have some proper Class A politicians in Westminster. One that really does draw the line, one that sees things go up in fragrant smoke and a couple that dodged a spell in the joint.
    Cocaine isn't all it's cracked up to be.

  19. #19999
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Cocaine isn't all it's cracked up to be.
    Some people think it helps them get out of the weeds.

  20. #20000
    I can't roll a joint to save my life: I'm such a dope, I always make a hash of it.

    I now only ever smoke my pot through a dog:



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