View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #20101
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    And yet the leavers were all "We'll be Norway and Switzerland." yadda yadda.

    https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY
    Well, UK has great reputation as safe haven for various money gotten through questionable means, so, certainly could double down on that aspect outside of EU (given that Switzerland cooperated with EU a lot on that front and had lost reputation on being "safe").

  2. #20102
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A remainer took Boris to court over the bus, the Judge took 5 minutes and threw the case out. The NHS is already planned and diaried in to receive 384 million extra a week as a benefit of brexit a couple of years after we leave, exceeding the claims on the bus. He wasn't lying...
    I looked this up, and it is actually a figure floated by May back in 2018 (you know, when Brexit was going so well). She wants to pay for it by increased taxation and borrowing on top of some of the money saved from EU membership dues. She didn't say where the taxation would happen. The money will ramp up over time, with the increase of 384 million per week being tabled for the 2023/24 fiscal year. However, I find it hard to believe that this would be able to go ahead if VAT were to be abolished - that was certainly not an option on the table at the time - in particular as she planned to increase tax revenue to pay for it.

    He must have a plan right?
    It's Michael Gove. I wouldn't bet on it.

  3. #20103
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    And yet the leavers were all "We'll be Norway and Switzerland." yadda yadda.

    https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY
    That video is far from honest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

  4. #20104
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It's Michael Gove's plan only announced a few hours ago, I don't know, ask him. I expect when the candidates face scrutiny in their debates it will come out. He must have a plan right?
    I hope that's not the extend of your motivation... relying on hope, that is. Because you're in for the mother of all awakenings in November.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
    PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.

  5. #20105
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    get rid of VAT.
    Getting rid of VAT would be even more retarded an idea than leaving the EU is.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It wasn't a lie as the court case found a couple of days ago when they threw the case against Boris out. All true, soon as we leave you'll see...
    Not at all true... that isn't why they threw the case out. I know you need to believe otherwise, but come on...
    Often updated... ?

  6. #20106
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I hope that's not the extend of your motivation... relying on hope, that is. Because you're in for the mother of all awakenings in November.
    Very brave of you to appear here today,I must say, but we don't have to wait for November. The mother of the EU apparently came to her senses at the D-Day celebrations when she met candidate Jeremy Hunt and offered up EU capitulation to the UK again. Very apt timing don't you think?

    Jeremy Hunt has claimed Angela Merkel would be willing to renegotiate the UK’s Brexit deal and possibly the Irish border arrangements


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...te-brexit-deal

    and in an incredible display of EU disunity...

    She said, "it’s up to you. Germany doesn’t have that border with the Republic of Ireland - you do."

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...hy-ridge-video

    Wait wait a sec, is the UK/Ireland border an EU/UK border or not? Have Germany left the EU or they just don't give a shit about Ireland any more?

    Would be nice if you showed some unity and consistency eurochums...Still if the mother of the EU is offering cake and cherries to the UK it woudl be rude to refuse.

  7. #20107
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Very brave of you to appear here today,I must say, but we don't have to wait for November. The mother of the EU apparently came to her senses at the D-Day celebrations when she met candidate Jeremy Hunt and offered up EU capitulation to the UK again. Very apt timing don't you think?

    Jeremy Hunt has claimed Angela Merkel would be willing to renegotiate the UK’s Brexit deal and possibly the Irish border arrangements


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...te-brexit-deal
    If you don't cut the quote halfway through the sentence...

    she had indicated that the EU was “willing to negotiate on the package” if a new prime minister had the “right approach”.
    That means "compromise", by the way. And isn't a new position either.

  8. #20108
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Very brave of you to appear here today,I must say, but we don't have to wait for November. The mother of the EU apparently came to her senses at the D-Day celebrations when she met candidate Jeremy Hunt and offered up EU capitulation to the UK again. Very apt timing don't you think?

    Jeremy Hunt has claimed Angela Merkel would be willing to renegotiate the UK’s Brexit deal and possibly the Irish border arrangements


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...te-brexit-deal

    and in an incredible display of EU disunity...

    She said, "it’s up to you. Germany doesn’t have that border with the Republic of Ireland - you do."

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...hy-ridge-video

    Wait wait a sec, is the UK/Ireland border an EU/UK border or not? Have Germany left the EU or they just don't give a shit about Ireland any more?

    Would be nice if you showed some unity and consistency eurochums...Still if the mother of the EU is offering cake and cherries to the UK it woudl be rude to refuse.
    ''claimed'' I can claim im a descendant of King Richard. Might be true, might not be true, but claiming something doesnt mean its true.
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  9. #20109
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Very brave of you to appear here today,I must say, but we don't have to wait for November. The mother of the EU apparently came to her senses at the D-Day celebrations when she met candidate Jeremy Hunt and offered up EU capitulation to the UK again. Very apt timing don't you think?

    Jeremy Hunt has claimed Angela Merkel would be willing to renegotiate the UK’s Brexit deal and possibly the Irish border arrangements


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...te-brexit-deal

    and in an incredible display of EU disunity...

    She said, "it’s up to you. Germany doesn’t have that border with the Republic of Ireland - you do."

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...hy-ridge-video

    Wait wait a sec, is the UK/Ireland border an EU/UK border or not? Have Germany left the EU or they just don't give a shit about Ireland any more?

    Would be nice if you showed some unity and consistency eurochums...Still if the mother of the EU is offering cake and cherries to the UK it woudl be rude to refuse.
    Nope, you still have to ask Leo nicely. and Germany is not able to guarantee a new deal; it requires qualified majority among EU27.
    just for info: UK being mad at backstop and promising nonsense wont count.

  10. #20110
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    A juicy Brexit Sunday is coming as the Tory leadership hots up...

    Michael Gove is going to scrap VAT after Brexit, it is a tax only required because of membership of the EU. Wouldn't you like that eurochums in your own country? Next time you get a receipt look at how much VAT you pay and imagine it slipping straight into the back pocket of Juncker and his cronies or, all you gotta do is leave
    You can’t be this misinformed. It’s not possible, you must be an anti-Brexit troll taking the piss. The only other alternative is that you’re simply an uneducated retard who can’t even use Wikipedia to inform himself, but I would never flame people online.

  11. #20111
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    You can’t be this misinformed. It’s not possible, you must be an anti-Brexit troll taking the piss. The only other alternative is that you’re simply an uneducated retard who can’t even use Wikipedia to inform himself, but I would never flame people online.
    Nope Brexiteers in heavy brexit supporting areas act just like him in the real world.

  12. #20112
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    You can’t be this misinformed. It’s not possible, you must be an anti-Brexit troll taking the piss. The only other alternative is that you’re simply an uneducated retard who can’t even use Wikipedia to inform himself, but I would never flame people online.
    I have a relative that has the same talking points as dribbles, there really are people who think and talk like this.

  13. #20113
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashina View Post
    You can’t be this misinformed. It’s not possible, you must be an anti-Brexit troll taking the piss. The only other alternative is that you’re simply an uneducated retard who can’t even use Wikipedia to inform himself, but I would never flame people online.
    Nope never heard of wikipedia, thanks for the pointer it came up with this...

    EU member states are each required to adopt a value added tax that complies with the EU VAT code
    VAT collected by member states is used as part of the calculation to determine what each state contributes to the EU's budget.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...alue_added_tax

    Got to feel really sorry for Hungary, 27% VAT trousered by Juncker and I see also from that wiki the EU want to harmonize it with one rate for all, bet it won't be at the lowest level of 17% that Luxembourg enjoys....

    Odd isn't it where Juncker originates from? Psst, clue it's not Hungary.

  14. #20114
    Got to feel really sorry for Hungary, 27% VAT trousered by Juncker
    The EU does not collect VAT.

  15. #20115
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The EU does not collect VAT.
    I never said it did, but it is a multiplier that affects the calculation as to what each EU citizen must pay to Junckers mob.

  16. #20116
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    I have a relative that has the same talking points as dribbles, there really are people who think and talk like this.
    God bless their small minds. At least they got the internet to escape the bitter reality of their inadequate stupidity.

  17. #20117
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I never said it did, but it is a multiplier that affects the calculation as to what each EU citizen must pay to Junckers mob.
    You said that the 27% VAT is trousered by Juncker.

  18. #20118
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    You said that the 27% VAT is trousered by Juncker.
    And a proportion of that 27% is. From the contributory calculation an EU citizen at 27% VAT would likely pay more than an EU citizen on 17% towards Junckers funsies. Whatever, an EU member country cannot reduce VAT to zero or abolish it, they must let Juncker trouser something. A sovereign nation outside the EU can abolish VAT.

  19. #20119
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And a proportion of that 27% is. From the contributory calculation an EU citizen at 27% VAT would likely pay more than an EU citizen on 17% towards Junckers funsies. Whatever, an EU member country cannot reduce VAT to zero or abolish it, they must let Juncker trouser something. A sovereign nation outside the EU can abolish VAT.
    But why would they want to abolish VAT? Any country doing so would be ripping a massive hole in their budget, and the deficit would have to be made up by increasing revenue elsewhere, and that means raising other taxes to compensate.

    The UK will be missing 170 billion per year if it abolishes VAT. With an annual government expenditure of approximately 750 billion, that is a huge deficit to make up elsewhere.
    Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-09 at 04:20 PM.

  20. #20120
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    But why would they want to abolish VAT?
    To replace it with something that does the exact same but carries the name of the politician proposing it. It's all small mind anti-globalist scare tactics.

    No country wants to do away with VAT: it's generally accepted by the public and brings in 1/5th to 1/3rd of the federal budget. Good luck abolishing VAT and introducing a new tax without getting lynched.

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