View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #20201
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I don't see any kind of electoral reform happening. The British seem to be stuck on tradition too much.
    I think it's inertia more than active resistance.

  2. #20202
    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    There's no reality where all the parties decide on an agreement together. This must be glaringly obvious by now. There's no time to make a new deal before the next deadline and we leave.
    Which is why they all need to get their heads out of their asses, admit they fucked up hard and there's no way to leave that won't cripple Britain's economy, and stay.

  3. #20203
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You are more of a "The Times" person? No problem then, from today's edition...

    Global chief executives back Brexit Britain
    A poll of 1,300 chief executives in 11 of the world’s largest economies found bosses from the US, China and Japan — the UK’s top investor and the world’s second and third biggest economies — expect to be more likely to invest in Britain after it leaves the European Union.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...tain-k77pjnmb0

    Wherever you look, tabloids or broadsheets, a daily veritable feast of good news for Brexit! Not long until October 31st, tick tock...
    Oh good, the tick tock is back. Is your memory so short you can't remember how badly it all fucked up the last time you did that? And the time before that? Like the Brexit Party, you have just the one trick. And it's a shit one.

    Can't wait until you are disappointed again.
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  4. #20204
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Oh good, the tick tock is back. Is your memory so short you can't remember how badly it all fucked up the last time you did that? And the time before that? Like the Brexit Party, you have just the one trick. And it's a shit one.

    Can't wait until you are disappointed again.
    Hahaha

    Except things are a bit different this time. Whoever comes next is not going to be a remainer PM leading a remain cabinet. The softest Brexit you are going to get is the Boris Johnson WTO brexit, anything else will have Farage paws all over it.

    Must hurt if you are a remainer to be rooting for Boris Johnson as your best softest brexit option PM, bwahhhahahahaaa

  5. #20205
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Hahaha

    Except things are a bit different this time. Whoever comes next is not going to be a remainer PM leading a remain cabinet. The softest Brexit you are going to get is the Boris Johnson WTO brexit, anything else will have Farage paws all over it.

    Must hurt if you are a remainer to be rooting for Boris Johnson as your best softest brexit option PM, bwahhhahahahaaa
    Not particularly. BoJo is conceited enough to throw Brexit under the bus if a WTO Brexit looked like it would cost him the premiership, which it probably would considering the only thing people can agree on is that they don't want a no deal.

    About the only thing he can be trusted on is lying.

  6. #20206
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The softest Brexit you are going to get is the Boris Johnson WTO brexit, anything else will have Farage paws all over it.
    Hmm, I wouldn't go counting those chlorinated chickens just yet.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1138457750759968768

  7. #20207
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Hmm, I wouldn't go counting those chlorinated chickens just yet.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1138457750759968768
    That's just to stop an incoming PM from proroguing parliament though? It still remains that the only way Article 50 can be extended is if the new PM writes to the EU and requests that. The new PM, under peril of the brexit party, can refuse to do that even if parliament instructs him/her to do so.

    Chlorinated chicken, yummy.

  8. #20208
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    That's just to stop an incoming PM from proroguing parliament though? It still remains that the only way Article 50 can be extended is if the new PM writes to the EU and requests that. The new PM, under peril of the brexit party, can refuse to do that even if parliament instructs him/her to do so.

    Chlorinated chicken, yummy.
    As I understand it this is just the beginning of the process to give MPs control of the Brexit timetable.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760

  9. #20209
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    As I understand it this is just the beginning of the process to give MPs control of the Brexit timetable.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760
    October 31st is the end date of the brexit timetable whatever parliament does. Only the PM, by writing to the EU and with their agreement, can alter that date. If that extension request letter never arrives at the EU by Oct 31st, what parliament says matters nowt. We are out.

    Do you really see Boris writing that begging letter as Theresa did? That would be a gift to the Brexit party...

  10. #20210
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Hahaha

    Except things are a bit different this time. Whoever comes next is not going to be a remainer PM leading a remain cabinet. The softest Brexit you are going to get is the Boris Johnson WTO brexit, anything else will have Farage paws all over it.

    Must hurt if you are a remainer to be rooting for Boris Johnson as your best softest brexit option PM, bwahhhahahahaaa
    Again, we are going to have to educate you about reality. Johnson being PM doesn't change the math in Parliament. Still no majority for no-deal, and still a guarantee that MPs will do everything they can to stop it happening. The deal that May negotiated is the only one on the table, and there isn't any support for that. Want to renegotiate that? Fine, lets start the clock again and in a couple of years time we might have another deal. By then more of the old rascists that voted for Brexit will have died, and the majority against it would have increased further.

    The longer this goes on, the greater the chance the whole thing gets called off. And regardless of which of the Tories win, you don't have the numbers to push through pretty much any form of Brexit, let alone a hard one.

    So go ahead and gloat. It just shows, as usual, how little you understand of what's happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    October 31st is the end date of the brexit timetable whatever parliament does. Only the PM, by writing to the EU and with their agreement, can alter that date. If that extension request letter never arrives at the EU by Oct 31st, what parliament says matters nowt. We are out.

    Do you really see Boris writing that begging letter as Theresa did? That would be a gift to the Brexit party...
    So Boris will either last up until the next GE because of the terrible impact of no-deal Brexit and be gone or he will not deliver Brexit and be gone with the next GE by boosting the Brexit Party.

    A great position he maneuvered his stupid ass into.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    So Boris will either last up until the next GE because of the terrible impact of no-deal Brexit and be gone or he will not deliver Brexit and be gone with the next GE by boosting the Brexit Party.

    A great position he maneuvered his stupid ass into.
    "PM for a Day" seems to be the chief policy goal for both of the major parties.

  13. #20213
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Again, we are going to have to educate you about reality. Johnson being PM doesn't change the math in Parliament. Still no majority for no-deal, and still a guarantee that MPs will do everything they can to stop it happening. The deal that May negotiated is the only one on the table, and there isn't any support for that. Want to renegotiate that? Fine, lets start the clock again and in a couple of years time we might have another deal. By then more of the old rascists that voted for Brexit will have died, and the majority against it would have increased further.

    The longer this goes on, the greater the chance the whole thing gets called off. And regardless of which of the Tories win, you don't have the numbers to push through pretty much any form of Brexit, let alone a hard one.

    So go ahead and gloat. It just shows, as usual, how little you understand of what's happening.
    The math in parliament doesn't matter. What does is if the new PM asks for an extension of article 50 or not. Theresa did, I don't think Boris will.

  14. #20214
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    October 31st is the end date of the brexit timetable whatever parliament does. Only the PM, by writing to the EU and with their agreement, can alter that date. If that extension request letter never arrives at the EU by Oct 31st, what parliament says matters nowt. We are out.

    Do you really see Boris writing that begging letter as Theresa did? That would be a gift to the Brexit party...
    If it is passed into law (which would appear to the plan) that the government must seek an extension in order to avoid no deal then Johnson, or whoever, would be breaking the law if they did not do so. However where it becomes less clear is if an extension is requested but not granted.

  15. #20215
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The math in parliament doesn't matter. What does is if the new PM asks for an extension of article 50 or not. Theresa did, I don't think Boris will.
    Parliament can order the PM to ask for one. Like they did in April.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If it is passed into law (which would appear to the plan) that the government must seek an extension in order to avoid no deal then Johnson, or whoever, would be breaking the law if they did not do so. However where it becomes less clear is if an extension is requested but not granted.
    The EU doesn't want to be the bad guy in this. If the UK asks for an extension they will get it. In April people were saying that there would be lots of string attached to a second extension, and the UK essentially got it for nothing.
    Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-11 at 07:32 PM.

  16. #20216
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If it is passed into law (which would appear to the plan) that the government must seek an extension in order to avoid no deal then Johnson, or whoever, would be breaking the law if they did not do so. However where it becomes less clear is if an extension is requested but not granted.
    The EU have bent over backwards in this whole process to allow it to be driven by the UK. They don't want us to be able to redirect any of the blame their way, and I don't blame them. So I suspect that an extension will be almost automatic.

    And I find it highly amusing that dribbles believes that Johnson, a man with an almost perfect track record of looking after number 1, would do something like ignoring Parliament by refusing to seek an extension. He won't risk pushing through a hard Brexit in a way that would place all of the blame squarely on his shoulders.
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  17. #20217
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If it is passed into law (which would appear to the plan) that the government must seek an extension in order to avoid no deal then Johnson, or whoever, would be breaking the law if they did not do so. However where it becomes less clear is if an extension is requested but not granted.
    And presumably if Boris didn't seek an extension and write the letter after instruction by parliament, as PM the only person that can, he would be held in contempt. We'd still be, irreversibly, out.

    I wonder what the penalty for that, presumably contempt of parliament, would be? Wiki says :- The last time Parliament fined someone was in 1666, and the last time it imprisoned anyone was in 1880 (in the Clock Tower).

    Looks like he might get his wrists slapped, possibly... He won't write the letter that destroys him and the Conservative party.

  18. #20218
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And presumably if Boris didn't seek an extension and write the letter after instruction by parliament, as PM the only person that can, he would be held in contempt. We'd still be, irreversibly, out.
    Not totally irreversably

    I'm also not 100% sure that it is only the PM that can write the letter. Parliament empowers the PM, as head of government, to do so. Parliament could, in theory, empower somebody else to do it (the Cabinet Secretary and the Speaker of the House come to mind). Enabling Acts can enable anything.
    Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-11 at 11:05 PM.

  19. #20219
    Heh Reuters has an article on Johnson's comments on the EU in the past:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...KCN1TD0N1?il=0
    tick tock to the next extension I guess. Poor Macron, he is so cute when he feigns anger

  20. #20220
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And presumably if Boris didn't seek an extension and write the letter after instruction by parliament, as PM the only person that can, he would be held in contempt. We'd still be, irreversibly, out.

    I wonder what the penalty for that, presumably contempt of parliament, would be? Wiki says :- The last time Parliament fined someone was in 1666, and the last time it imprisoned anyone was in 1880 (in the Clock Tower).

    Looks like he might get his wrists slapped, possibly... He won't write the letter that destroys him and the Conservative party.
    Honestly I don't know whether that would be the case. My gut feeling is that the PM (regardless of their Brexit stance) would not ignore parliament and refuse to seek an extension when required to do so by law and I suspect that if they did it would bring down the government.

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