View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #20341
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    No one contested him, it was a one horse race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Just to be absolutely clear on this - is the distinction they are making between then and now that there was no "Labour party leadership contest" and that Blair stood down and "annointed" Brown as his successor? I can't remember that far back very well and I wasn't a Labour party member then either.
    The argument they are making is that Brexit makes an election too difficult. It's fairly obvious that what they actually mean is that elections are unpredictable and none of them want to risk being the shortest sitting PM ever.

    I dont know why no one wants to question Javid's time at Deuthsche Bank. He was in a leadership role during the time they were found partly responsible for the 2008 financial crash as well as a host of other scandals at Europe's scummiest bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojo202 View Post
    The argument they are making is that Brexit makes an election too difficult. It's fairly obvious that what they actually mean is that elections are unpredictable and none of them want to risk being the shortest sitting PM ever.

    I dont know why no one wants to question Javid's time at Deuthsche Bank. He was in a leadership role during the time they were found partly responsible for the 2008 financial crash as well as a host of other scandals at Europe's scummiest bank.
    Deutsche Bank responsible for the 2008 crash? Are you mad? If anything, they're responsible for being one of the links that brought the crash into Europe. But the 2008 crisis is all on US banks.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
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  4. #20344
    Quote Originally Posted by mojojojo202 View Post
    He was in a leadership role during the time they were found partly responsible for the 2008 financial crash as well as a host of other scandals at Europe's scummiest bank.
    You know while I am not going to disagree that Deutsche Bank is scummy, I think the scummiest bank title is heavily contested.

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  6. #20346
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    I hope N. Ireland and Scotland see this and understand how little England actually cares about them. Would be hysterical and hilarious if they left england.
    The thing is, it may very well happen with a no deal Brexit. Poor Scotland, I hope we can reasonably expedite their reentry into the EU; they can probably join the EFTA almost immediately anyway.

  7. #20347
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Conservative and Unionist Party.
    What exactly are they supposedly conserving?
    National misery?

  8. #20348
    If demographics for NI that I've seen are to be trusted and the correlation between Catholics and being republican is actually as close to 100% as was suggested, Irish reunification is pretty much guaranteed - which of course makes the whole "The evil Backstop will trap the UK" outrage completely ridiculous.

    There were a lot of reports that the Scottish independence referendum only failed because at that time it would have cost them EU membership, so that could also change were the EU(read Spanish) attitudes to shift to a more positive one after Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    What exactly are they supposedly conserving?
    National misery?
    My guess is the idea that the past was awesome and that it should come back on the double thank you very much

  9. #20349
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    If demographics for NI that I've seen are to be trusted and the correlation between Catholics and being republican is actually as close to 100% as was suggested, Irish reunification is pretty much guaranteed - which of course makes the whole "The evil Backstop will trap the UK" outrage completely ridiculous.

    There were a lot of reports that the Scottish independence referendum only failed because at that time it would have cost them EU membership, so that could also change were the EU(read Spanish) attitudes to shift to a more positive one after Brexit.
    I doubt that the EU will change the process. It is what it is. What can happen is the UK can join the EFTA which covers most of their concerns very soon or immediately after they leave the UK and then work to join the EU which while possible to expedite will still take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Deutsche Bank responsible for the 2008 crash? Are you mad? If anything, they're responsible for being one of the links that brought the crash into Europe. But the 2008 crisis is all on US banks.
    I said partly responsible, which they were. It cost them over 7 billion dollars to settle the case against them in the US.

    As far as Javid is concerned, it's not even the only scandal the bank was involved in while he was there.

  11. #20351
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    My guess is the idea that the past was awesome and that it should come back on the double thank you very much
    Frankly, that is just another way of saying "national misery" :P

  12. #20352
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I doubt that the EU will change the process. It is what it is. What can happen is the UK can join the EFTA which covers most of their concerns very soon or immediately after they leave the UK and then work to join the EU which while possible to expedite will still take time.
    I didn't mean that the process would change just that maybe Spanish resistance to breakaway nations like Scotland joining the EU would be less pressing once the UK had left, as it would not be as much of a precedent for Catalan separatists to get exited over. It also wouldn't be as problematic with respect to Council seats as if it was an EU member splitting.

  13. #20353
    The results of the third round of Con leadership voting are in, https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1141391645063176192

    Rory Stewart has lost 10 votes since the last round and is out whilst Johnson has nearly half the party behind him.

  14. #20354
    The last somewhat sane Tory is out, all that is left in the run is who is the most fucked up. Johnson (Aka British Trump but educated), to Fuck the NHS and Doctors Hunt, to Gove who damaged education, think it's ok to take cocain and run for leader of country, but take any small drug makes you unable to teach forever but we can bring back creationism and then there's Javid who calls himself a Thatcherite, which is bad enough for any sane person.

    Either way we're fucked.

  15. #20355
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    The last somewhat sane Tory is out, all that is left in the run is who is the most fucked up. Johnson (Aka British Trump but educated), to Fuck the NHS and Doctors Hunt, to Gove who damaged education, think it's ok to take cocain and run for leader of country, but take any small drug makes you unable to teach forever but we can bring back creationism and then there's Javid who calls himself a Thatcherite, which is bad enough for any sane person.

    Either way we're fucked.
    The whole thing's a complete and unnecessary distraction. Let's just hope BJ's tenure, however it plays out, will be shorter than May's.

  16. #20356
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    The whole thing's a complete and unnecessary distraction. Let's just hope BJ's tenure, however it plays out, will be shorter than May's.
    Hear hear. Farage is ready and waiting...

  17. #20357
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Hear hear. Farage is ready and waiting...
    Yes. So is Corbyn.

  18. #20358
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yes. So is Corbyn.
    Ah yes, the guy that thinks the EU is Frankenstein. Ha! He's more of a brexiteer than I am lols Go Corbyn!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Ah yes, the guy that thinks the EU is Frankenstein. Ha! He's more of a brexiteer than I am lols Go Corbyn!!!
    The only reason he's supporting Brexit is because he thinks the resulting economic crash will facilitate him being able to turn it into some socialist paradise. If it comes between him and being PM, he'll throw it to the dogs.

  20. #20360
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The only reason he's supporting Brexit is because he thinks the resulting economic crash will facilitate him being able to turn it into some socialist paradise. If it comes between him and being PM, he'll throw it to the dogs.
    To be fair to dribbles. Corbyn was saying this stupid shit long before he was even dreaming of leaving the back bench of the Labour Party.

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