View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #20661
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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    The difference is that when no deal doesn't happen in October, whoever the resulting PM is will have no choice but to call a no deal vs no Brexit referendum, which will almost certainly result in no Brexit, at which point it's highly possible that Dribbles will spontaneously combust with rage :P
    Eh, the EU will somehow give those incompetent monkeys another extension to argue about jack shit and get nowhere =A=

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    There is also the option of another extension (the most likely option at the moment).
    who will be asking for extension ? unless Commons could force PM Johnson to do so or he is all of a sudden interested in a never ending cycle, it wont happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The EU have a ridiculous negotiating position and under no circumstances, deal or no deal, are they getting a backstop.
    This is your daily reminder that the Backstop was asked for and written by the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    This is your daily reminder that the Backstop was asked for and written by the UK.
    "NI only" backstop on the table in theory still ? BoJo could save some face with a "most of UK" brexit. ok, Scotland will object after oct 31, but technically PM Boris was successful

  5. #20665
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    "NI only" backstop on the table in theory still ? BoJo could save some face with a "most of UK" brexit. ok, Scotland will object after oct 31, but technically PM Boris was successful
    It was always the EU's preferred method anyway. But it's pointless since the votes for it do not exist. BoJo does not suddenly change parliamentary arithmetic.
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  6. #20666
    Apparently BoJo was "visibly shaken" when the civil service told him that food and water would not be the highest priority for imports in the case of no deal:

    https://twitter.com/maitlis/status/1152813414424678400


  7. #20667
    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    I'm actually somewhat looking forward to seeing your reaction when this doesn't happen :P
    I mean, we know what'll happen. He'll ignore it didn't happen and pretend it was his plan all along. Then he'll continue to antagonize this forum in what must be the longest unmoderated troll in the history of the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    The difference is that when no deal doesn't happen in October, whoever the resulting PM is will have no choice but to call a no deal vs no Brexit referendum, which will almost certainly result in no Brexit, at which point it's highly possible that Dribbles will spontaneously combust with rage :P
    Mark my words, it'll be the day he announces he's been a Remainer all along and was just doing all of this to rile you guys up into action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    It's in today's Times but it is behind a pay wall. There might be some truth to it or there might not, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

    The article is in this Reddit post; https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...boris_johnson/

    It does not contradict what Coveney said this morning however there is talk about a bilateral deal between Dublin and Westminster which I saw the possibility of this mentioned in an Irish Times article earlier this week.

    This might turn out to be nothing or it could be end up being extremely important.
    Any bilateral deals member states of the EU are making can only concern things the EU doesn't handle itself. So expect that deal to be about the breeding regulations for mail delivering swallows (Africa) and not anything of actual importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    "NI only" backstop on the table in theory still ? BoJo could save some face with a "most of UK" brexit. ok, Scotland will object after oct 31, but technically PM Boris was successful
    This would actually interfere with the integrity of the Union. The United Kingdom cannot agree to that as much as the EU can't agree to just leave the Irish border open and trust that the British won't exploit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    who will be asking for extension ? unless Commons could force PM Johnson to do so or he is all of a sudden interested in a never ending cycle, it wont happen.
    Basically, if it gets close to the withdrawal date and Johnson hasn't negotiated a better deal and got it through parliament (not going to happen) or organised another referendum (unlikely) then parliament will pass a vote of no confidence in the government triggering a general election, parliament will then petition the EU for an extension (which the EU has already confirmed it will grant for an election or a referendum).

  9. #20669
    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Basically, if it gets close to the withdrawal date and Johnson hasn't negotiated a better deal and got it through parliament (not going to happen) or organised another referendum (unlikely) then parliament will pass a vote of no confidence in the government triggering a general election, parliament will then petition the EU for an extension (which the EU has already confirmed it will grant for an election or a referendum).
    Jesus... they should do it right the fuck now and not wait "close to the withdrawal date". See, this is what the EU doesn't want to see... the British Government and Parliament is still not taking this seriously. To them it's still just a game and nobody else is invited. Nevermind that the EU is waiting.

    I would pull a veto out of principle just for this. I would call them right now and tell them they got a week to start sorting shit out or they may save themselves the trip to Brussels to ask for an extension... But I'm not as polite as our leaders.
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  10. #20670
    Great to see the UK got an extension and used it to accomplish nothing, it'll be fucking hard to sell another short extension request to the EU.

    A GE will end up with a similar useless result

  11. #20671
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Great to see the UK got an extension and used it to accomplish nothing, it'll be fucking hard to sell another short extension request to the EU.

    A GE will end up with a similar useless result
    Look at the bright side, the Brexit Party may win and we would be rid of Farage in the EP.
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  12. #20672
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Look at the bright side, the Brexit Party may win and we would be rid of Farage in the EP.
    Could only hope, it's honestly like a Girlfriend who breaks up but does not leave the house since she's got nowhere to go, occupies the living room and keep bitching about how fucked up the relationship was. Fucking leave already then.

    My opinion over the last year really went from "I hope they'll revoke or get a good dea, so the UK and EU will get the best out of a stupid situation" to fuck that just kick them out.

  13. #20673
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Could only hope, it's honestly like a Girlfriend who breaks up but does not leave the house since she's got nowhere to go, occupies the living room and keep bitching about how fucked up the relationship was. Fucking leave already then.

    My opinion over the last year really went from "I hope they'll revoke or get a good dea, so the UK and EU will get the best out of a stupid situation" to fuck that just kick them out.
    You're not alone in that. But if they somehow manage to cancel the entire thing, I'd be happy. I just have zero faith left in that country atm.
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  14. #20674
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You're not alone in that. But if they somehow manage to cancel the entire thing, I'd be happy. I just have zero faith left in that country atm.
    I think at this point cancelling Brexit would be a worst case scenario. If Brexit doesn't go through, the morons who voted for it and the morons who rode on that wave will always use it as an example how big bag evil EU overruled their democracy. The whole situation is a boil that needs to get lanced, not treated with antibiotics.

  15. #20675
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I think at this point cancelling Brexit would be a worst case scenario. If Brexit doesn't go through, the morons who voted for it and the morons who rode on that wave will always use it as an example how big bag evil EU overruled their democracy. The whole situation is a boil that needs to get lanced, not treated with antibiotics.
    Plus if they revoke Brexit, Farage would be very likely to win the GE. So we wouldn't just have to deal with Farage in the Parliament, he'd be in the fucking Council
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  16. #20676
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Plus if they revoke Brexit, Farage would be very likely to win the GE. So we wouldn't just have to deal with Farage in the Parliament, he'd be in the fucking Council
    Going with FPTP it's not as likely as people think. He might get the most votes but the split might as easily let Labour or LD in.

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  18. #20678
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Going with FPTP it's not as likely as people think. He might get the most votes but the split might as easily let Labour or LD in.
    I think FPTP goes both ways in that Tory voters who just want to keep Labout out might see Brexit Party as more likely to have a majority in their constituency. I mean I remember the poll showing that Tory members would be ok with Brexit that would ruin the economy and the union but NOT ok with one that would mean Corbyn is in parliament.
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  19. #20679
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think FPTP goes both ways in that Tory voters who just want to keep Labout out might see Brexit Party as more likely to have a majority in their constituency. I mean I remember the poll showing that Tory members would be ok with Brexit that would ruin the economy and the union but NOT ok with one that would mean Corbyn is in parliament.
    It could easily go many ways I'm sure. Yeah Labour would lose a few up north. But in areas where remain is strong and Labour pushed for remain they could edge out wins in areas they have not done before. If not Labour then it could easily be heavy damage for Tories and Labour with the country behind the LDs where Remain is strong and we have the most hung of parliaments. It's a complete mystery how things could happen.

    I mean it could also happen is that everyone shits their pants and go for tried and true Tory/Labour.

  20. #20680
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    I mean it could also happen is that everyone shits their pants and go for tried and true Tory/Labour.
    But here is the thing, strategic voting comes from the implicit expectation that Tories and Labour would be the first two in your constituency. That expectation is no longer rational. Brexit Party and Lib Dem are likely to lead Tories and Labour in many constituencies. So strategically, you'd need to check the polls for your constituency and switch your vote if you are voting negatively (against a party) instead of affirmatively.
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