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“It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
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The political declaration is the relationship after we've left the EU, which could involve remaining in the single market or a customs union.
The backstop is currently in place because of the Conservative redlines against either of those means that there is a lack of solution to the Irish border.
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The political declaration is just what it says, a political declaration. The Withdrawal Agreement is the treaty that sets out the UK's future relationship with the EU.
If you think that anyone in parliament, leave or remain, is going to agree to the UK being in the SM and CU which would see us essentially remain in the EU but give up having any say how it is run then I really don't know what to say.
You are in essence saying that we will remove the backstop by making the backstop permanent.
Except it actually doesn't. The Withdrawal agreement is quite literally that, it's the means of exit from the EU, it is not the future relationship.
https://fullfact.org/europe/withdraw...ot-trade-deal/
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“It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
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If the UK leaves, there is no way it's staying in the single market or the customs union. Not after all they've pulled so far, not after all the lies and insults. I think at this point, there is no good will left between the EU and the UK. After Brexit the UK may look forward to a trade agreement, but it will take a long time to get even to that.
How Brexit became a thing still boggles my mind...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-43189878
Then you had the Ken Clarke CU plan that almost got a majority in the IV (and had abstentions from the SNP and Conservatives who did not want to follow the whip) so your suggestion that a CU is something no one in Parliament would support is kinda false.
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“It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
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Last edited by Slant; 2019-09-06 at 08:51 AM.
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“It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.
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Well we can blame the "balanced" British media for this. When balance of debate is a very angry leaver, against a moderate remainer, and absolutely no input from the EU at all. You have to dig through a whole lot of bullshit to find anything from what the EU are actually saying. And obviously, most people don't dig. They look at Jezza's face photoshopped onto a fucking chicken.
Hence why I'm hoping this next extension* will finally result in a change of Government to one that is far more amicable with dealing with the EU.
I mean it seems almost inevitable that an election is coming, this current government cannot legislate with such small numbers, we have to have a change.
The one flaw in the plan is the result is not in any way guarenteed to end in a positive outcome with regards to who takes power.
*assuming it is granted.
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What message would that send to the rest of the EU then? If anyone can leave whilst retaining all the benefits, why is the EU even existing? Who's gonna be next, Italy? Hungary?
The EU has a lot of screw ups to get blamed for, however the manipulative british media is entirely on the brits. The EU has enough to deal with, it doesn't need to also be involved in the public media of every member state. It's up to the member states to handle their own business properly and take responsibility for their failures.
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