[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Huehuecoyotl]

So, you acknowledge that leaving the EU is something that needs to be "survived". Good to know.

I don't have the energy to pick his reply apart, especially knowing that nothing I do will get through to him. But his attempt to frame things that were "survived" in a massively simpler societal and economic structure was particularly amusing. It's like saying that switching your own PC off is simple, so how can any kind of software upgrade possibly be complicated to do?

[ati87]

2014/15 flu deaths: 28,330
2015/16 flu deaths: 11,875
2016/17 flu deaths: 18,009
2017/18 flu deaths: 26,408
COVID-19 deaths: 13,729 to date

Fixed it for you, it's stupid to call a disease by the name of the city. Or do we want to start calling the swine flue the Americas flue?

Second. 13k deaths that occurred mostly in the last 30-45 days if blooooody allot, especially if you compare that to the bloody flue which can occur the entire year.
I mean god, how can anybody look at the deaths of Covid19 and think ''flue is worse''.

[LeGin Tufnel]

I don't have the energy to pick his reply apart, especially knowing that nothing I do will get through to him. But his attempt to frame things that were "survived" in a massively simpler societal and economic structure was particularly amusing. It's like saying that switching your own PC off is simple, so how can any kind of software upgrade possibly be complicated to do?

Yep. I’ve run out of steam to do the bulletpoint stuff now.

What gets me is the constant harking back to bygone eras. Are they all distant relatives of Empire “heroes”? Some of Teleros’ stuff... literally, the poster sounds like Kipling.

It’s like the 20th C hasn’t happened.

[Teleros]

So, you acknowledge that leaving the EU is something that needs to be "survived".

*Nods*

Fixed it for you, it's stupid to call a disease by the name of the city. Or do we want to start calling the swine flue the Americas flue?

Too long a name. Yankee flu?

Second. 13k deaths that occurred mostly in the last 30-45 days if blooooody allot, especially if you compare that to the bloody flue which can occur the entire year.
I mean god, how can anybody look at the deaths of Covid19 and think ''flue is worse''.

I don't think that though. I don't know if the flu is worse because:

1. Kung flu isn't over yet.
2. Per the NHS website, we don't know how many of those deaths are actually due to kung flu.

[LeGin Tufnel]

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This is actually the best-put down I’ve received in the 10+ years I’ve been browsing this forum.

[rogueMatthias]

At this point, Should we change the name of this to "The UK Politics Thread" or something?

[Mayhem]

That's complete and utter nonsense. Why do you bother? Aren't you bored of talking about a subject you nothing about?

Oh, the irony.

[kaid]

Fixed it for you, it's stupid to call a disease by the name of the city. Or do we want to start calling the swine flue the Americas flue?

Second. 13k deaths that occurred mostly in the last 30-45 days if blooooody allot, especially if you compare that to the bloody flue which can occur the entire year.
I mean god, how can anybody look at the deaths of Covid19 and think ''flue is worse''.

Not to mention all those deaths are mostly concentrated in a couple tight geographical areas so there is some insane body counts over normal in those areas which is why we are all sitting at home trying to not make that a country wide event as best we can.

[Yadryonych]

At this point, Should we change the name of this to "The UK Politics Thread" or something?

It was EU thread to diss brits for exiting from the very start, the EU is even in its name

[Jessicka]

Fixed it for you, it's stupid to call a disease by the name of the city. Or do we want to start calling the swine flue the Americas flue?

Second. 13k deaths that occurred mostly in the last 30-45 days if blooooody allot, especially if you compare that to the bloody flue which can occur the entire year.
I mean god, how can anybody look at the deaths of Covid19 and think ''flue is worse''.

Thousands of extra deaths, and people still peddling "C-19 isn't that bad, they're recording anything as it". The opposite seems to be the case where they're recording a lot of extra deaths as not C-19 when it self evidently is, and only recording those where it is recorded as such in hospital.

The conspiracy is pointing entirely in the wrong direction. I wonder why.

[Teleros]

Thousands of extra deaths, and people still peddling "C-19 isn't that bad, they're recording anything as it". The opposite seems to be the case where they're recording a lot of extra deaths as not C-19 when it self evidently is, and only recording those where it is recorded as such in hospital.

Depends on the country. Nothing short of God Almighty showing up is going to convince me the Chinese haven't been systematically downplaying the numbers. I don't think the UK is doing that though - at least not if RNHS can be trusted.

[Jessicka]

Depends on the country. Nothing short of God Almighty showing up is going to convince me the Chinese haven't been systematically downplaying the numbers. I don't think the UK is doing that though - at least not if RNHS can be trusted.

Oh, the Chinese have. But our C19 figures do not mesh well at all with the total death figures either, the C19 figures officially account for 60% of the total extra deaths recorded. There's either some super-secret other plague going around, or the C19 figures are being heavily massaged.

[ati87]

Thousands of extra deaths, and people still peddling "C-19 isn't that bad, they're recording anything as it". The opposite seems to be the case where they're recording a lot of extra deaths as not C-19 when it self evidently is, and only recording those where it is recorded as such in hospital.

The conspiracy is pointing entirely in the wrong direction. I wonder why.

Well that is easy to explain.
Non corona confirmed extra deaths needs actual research and that will take time, at least until things settled down and you will never know how many people actually died since at that point it becomes a statistic.

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Oh, the Chinese have. But our C19 figures do not mesh well at all with the total death figures either, the C19 figures officially account for 60% of the total extra deaths recorded. There's either some super-secret other plague going around, or the C19 figures are being heavily massaged.

Your looking into to much.
In these kind of situations you will know the estimate number of deaths in a year or so at best, when things have calmed down and when researchers can start looking into things.

[Teleros]

Oh, the Chinese have. But our C19 figures do not mesh well at all with the total death figures either, the C19 figures officially account for 60% of the total extra deaths recorded. There's either some super-secret other plague going around, or the C19 figures are being heavily massaged.

Extra by what measure though? Some years the flu is worse than others. That's why my position WRT how bad wuflu is has been "wait and see". The data's just not very reliable.

[Pann]

Extra by what measure though? Some years the flu is worse than others. That's why my position WRT how bad wuflu is has been "wait and see". The data's just not very reliable.

I don't know why this is in the Brexit thread but think it is quite conclusive that the number of deaths from CV19 is worse than the flu.




https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/sta...01265235591168

[Teleros]

I don't know why this is in the Brexit thread

I think we're just sort of blurring various UK politics topics at this point.

but think it is quite conclusive that the number of deaths from CV19 is worse than the flu.

I mean if we're guessing, then yeah, I think this'll be worse than most flu years. However...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales

Get the recent data from here, and get a simple average & total for this year & the last 5 years (Weekly Figures 2020 sheet, figures I DL'ed ended after week 14).

Average of this year: 11,889
Average of last 5 years: 11,727

Total this year: 166,444
Total last 5 years: 164,174

A couple of thousand deaths difference so far isn't that big a deal TBH. Obviously, there's all the deaths that would normally be occurring but which aren't (eg car or workplace accidents), and the big what-if - ie the deaths that would've occurred if there'd been no lockdown, or only one for the most vulnerable people etc - but w/e, counter-factuals can be figured out later. But insofar as we know anything for certain right now, it's the figures up above & from the Excel spreadsheet at the link.

[Pann]

I think we're just sort of blurring various UK politics topics at this point.


I mean if we're guessing, then yeah, I think this'll be worse than most flu years. However...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales

Get the recent data from here, and get a simple average & total for this year & the last 5 years (Weekly Figures 2020 sheet, figures I DL'ed ended after week 14).

Average of this year: 11,889
Average of last 5 years: 11,727

Total this year: 166,444
Total last 5 years: 164,174

A couple of thousand deaths difference so far isn't that big a deal TBH. Obviously, there's all the deaths that would normally be occurring but which aren't (eg car or workplace accidents), and the big what-if - ie the deaths that would've occurred if there'd been no lockdown, or only one for the most vulnerable people etc - but w/e, counter-factuals can be figured out later. But insofar as we know anything for certain right now, it's the figures up above & from the Excel spreadsheet at the link.

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make.

[Teleros]

Just that it's been a pretty mild disease so far. Deaths are a bit up but not extraordinarily so.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make.

That could be a stock reply for pretty much any post that Teleros makes. I think he's trying to suggest that the deaths due to Covid 19 are not that much different from the average flu. Which I'm pretty sure is factually wildly innacurate, but I'm not going to look at his figures and work out what "maths" he's done to achieve this viewpoint. He could be making a statistical error, or bending the analysis to suit his world view. Any effort I expend trying to figure out which would be wasted effort.

I'm sure we've actually shut the country down for no real reason. And all the hard work that the NHS and associated workers have done has just been made up. Nobody is really sick. Nobody is really dying. Well, nobody important, anyway.

I suspect that's what he's getting at.

[Pann]

Just that it's been a pretty mild disease so far. Deaths are a bit up but not extraordinarily so.

Really? Is this some sort of joke?