View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

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  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
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    9 9.78%
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    11 11.96%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So the fucking lunatics in the ERG are now looking to get a no deal at the end of 2020.

    https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/st...45415013937152
    Not just that, if the deal passes tomorrow it nullifies the Surrender/Benn Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Well his last post has answered the question. It comes from the daily mail
    Jesus, I didn't think even the Daily Fail was that retarded. I feel like they've been taking pointers from the American far-right media sphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    No one said it would be easy. But it will happen. It will take a few years and Europe will suffer for it in the short term. But in the long term this will draw away industry from the UK and move it to the mainland. In the long term, Europe stands to be wealthier over Brexit by demoting a former member from a trade equal to a rule taker.
    Of course it will, anyone knows that since the UK's market is what, 1/5th of the EU's without it? We will get a harsh lesson in how unimportant the UK is in the world compared to the EU, China, and the USA. I'm not saying it won't. But denying that there'll be an impact on EU supplies of stuff made in the UK, or that for many businesses losing the UK market would be a Very Bad Thing™, in the short to medium term at least, is ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Now, you tell me... how exactly is this not a good thing for the EU? If we wanted to make more profit, we would absolutely shut you down right now. That we're not doing it is because we're playing nice. So, tell me again... what are you putting on the table that would motivate the EU to grant you another extension? It's certainly not interrupted supply chains or pharma. What else you got?
    Long term, it's amazing for the EU. Overnight having that line cut off though? Fucking catastrophic.

    You understand why the deal is an interim deal to give both sides time to get their houses in order? An extension basically just eats into how long it needs to be interim for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Long term, it's amazing for the EU. Overnight having that line cut off though? Fucking catastrophic.
    Not for us, it ain't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Not for us, it ain't.
    The deal is an interim deal for good reason. It's not a final deal, and it keeps most things as they are until the end of 2020 (probably longer, realistically 4-5 years).

    Tell me again that you don't need that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So the fucking lunatics in the ERG are now looking to get a no deal at the end of 2020.

    https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/st...45415013937152
    a year?
    Iit can easily take a decade to finalize a trade deal under the best of circumstances...
    What is this guy smoking?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    a year?
    Iit can easily take a decade to finalize a trade deal under the best of circumstances...
    What is this guy smoking?
    They know it'll take several years, they just want no deal so badly that they're happy to set a completely unrealistic deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    The deal is an interim deal for good reason. It's not a final deal, and it keeps most things as they are until the end of 2020 (probably longer, realistically 4-5 years).

    Tell me again that you don't need that time?
    How are you still not getting this... the WA is a WITHDRAWAL agreement. It's not even an interim deal. It's just sorting out what's yours, what's ours and how we talk to each other. The UK chose to cut ties and disrupt trade. That is going to happen in any case. The WA is merely aimed at making a shit situation less shitty in the beginning. But EU business and politics has prepared for the shittiest deal pretty much for 2 years, definitely after everyone realised that May has no clue about anything. Most definitely after we realised nobody in charge in the UK has a clue about anything.

    What do you think EU businesses are doing these days? Looking at the Commons or discussions like you guys have in this thread and going "Well, those sound like responsible people that know what's at stake!"?

    So, again... why should the EU give the UK an extension? I'm curious if you can come up with something. It's not a trick question, because for the life of me I can't think of another reason than "being nice."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    How are you still not getting this... the WA is a WITHDRAWAL agreement. It's not even an interim deal. It's just sorting out what's yours, what's ours and how we talk to each other. The UK chose to cut ties and disrupt trade. That is going to happen in any case. The WA is merely aimed at making a shit situation less shitty in the beginning. But EU business and politics has prepared for the shittiest deal pretty much for 2 years, definitely after everyone realised that May has no clue about anything. Most definitely after we realised nobody in charge in the UK has a clue about anything.

    What do you think EU businesses are doing these days? Looking at the Commons or discussions like you guys have in this thread and going "Well, those sound like responsible people that know what's at stake!"?

    So, again... why should the EU give you an extension? I'm curious if you can come up with something. It's not a trick question, because for the life of me I can't think of another reason than "being nice."
    They're likely looking at it wondering what the fuck paperwork they'll have to fill in and who to send it to to send things over here. Same as ours are looking at them wondering what the fuck paperwork they have to fill in and who to send it to, to send our shit over there.

    Because in either case, I'm not sure anyone is sure what exists for the process of doing either and whether it's necessary and worth spending the money on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    So, again... why should the EU give the UK an extension? I'm curious if you can come up with something. It's not a trick question, because for the life of me I can't think of another reason than "being nice."
    The exact same fucking reason we have this interim agreement and political declaration.

    If it was so easy as you think we'd have skipped all that shit and left 3 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    We literally just banned the sale of a lot of pharma to outside the NHS to shore up those medicines because of where they were ending up. So yeah, I believe it 'strongly'.
    So to summarise, there's such a panic about the potential shortage of pharmaceuticals post-Brexit that they've enacted legislation to stop its sale like this is the Middle Ages or something, and you think this is evidence that the UK will have a surplus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    So to summarise, there's such a panic about the potential shortage of pharmaceuticals post-Brexit that they've enacted legislation to stop its sale like this is the Middle Ages or something, and you think this is evidence that the UK will have a surplus?
    Where did I say we'd have a surplus? We have a shortage because the companies making it here are selling it to the EU, because they can get more money for it because the pound is worth fuck all, and the EU want to stock up on it.

    The legislation to prevent it being sold to the EU is to prevent the shortage, caused by it being shipped overseas, getting worse. And there aren't overseas suppliers we can get it from to stockpile ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    It's legendarily awful, still the level of weapons-grade nonsense he's spouting seems too high even for Britain. I wonder if there's some equivalent of Breitbart in the UK.
    The daily mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post




    So to summarise, there's such a panic about the potential shortage of pharmaceuticals post-Brexit that they've enacted legislation to stop its sale like this is the Middle Ages or something, and you think this is evidence that the UK will have a surplus?
    I find the picture of jhon Cleese there ironically funny considering he's recent remarks towards certain races

  13. #25013
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    a year?
    Iit can easily take a decade to finalize a trade deal under the best of circumstances...
    What is this guy smoking?
    In the state the UK is right now it will take a good year just to get a clear mandate (not that it will be fast for the EU, you need to get a mandate that 27 states will agree on). It will take many years and well more than one administration to get through the negotiation. And from that point to actual adoption it can take several years more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    The exact same fucking reason we have this interim agreement and political declaration.

    If it was so easy as you think we'd have skipped all that shit and left 3 years ago.
    You could've left three years ago. There were plenty of options, the UK Parliament must've had 50 votes on it by now, and they all came back "no". Because, obviously, they're all significantly worse than remaining in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Where did I say we'd have a surplus? We have a shortage because the companies making it here are selling it to the EU, because they can get more money for it because the pound is worth fuck all, and the EU want to stock up on it.

    The legislation to prevent it being sold to the EU is to prevent the shortage, caused by it being shipped overseas, getting worse. And there aren't overseas suppliers we can get it from to stockpile ourselves.
    They passed the legislation because a shortage is imminent. You're spinning that into somehow implying you will be able to meet domestic demand. That's backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    You could've left three years ago. There were plenty of options, the UK Parliament must've had 50 votes on it by now, and they all came back "no". Because, obviously, they're all significantly worse than remaining in the EU.

    They passed the legislation because a shortage is imminent. You're spinning that into somehow implying you will be able to meet domestic demand. That's backwards.
    I can assure you, the shortage isn't imminent, there have been shortages since March at least. We don't and won't meet domestic demand, and we certainly can't meet domestic demand while we're also filling the EU's stockpiles which are also coming up short, because they're stockpiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    I can assure you, the shortage isn't imminent, there have been shortages since March at least. We don't and won't meet domestic demand, and we certainly can't meet domestic demand while we're also filling the EU's stockpiles.
    You can't meet domestic demand period. The EU does not have that same problem. I've think you've essentially conceded as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    a year?
    Iit can easily take a decade to finalize a trade deal under the best of circumstances...
    What is this guy smoking?
    In the state the UK is right now it will take a good year just to get a clear mandate (not that it will be fast for the EU, you need to get a mandate that 27 states will agree on). It will take many years and well more than one administration to get through the negotiation. And from that point to actual adoption it can take several years more. A decade is a good guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    You can't meet domestic demand period. The EU does not have that same problem. I've think you've essentially conceded as much.
    If the EU didn't have the same problem, we would neither be selling them outside the NHS, to EU countries, nor have issues ourselves because, we could just import them, from the EU, because we're currently still in the EU.

    You've fundamentally and completely misunderstood the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not just that, if the deal passes tomorrow it nullifies the Surrender/Benn Act.
    Until the Letwin amendment passes tomorrow, which it should easily as Labour are apparently supporting it.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-10-18 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    If the EU didn't have the same problem, we would neither be selling them outside the NHS, to EU countries, nor have issues ourselves because, we could just import them, from the EU, because we're currently still in the EU.

    You've fundamentally and completely misunderstood the issue.
    So uh, notice how the UK is stockpiling medicines and the EU is not?

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...answers_en.pdf

    My money's on the EU being just fine.
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