View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #25061
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    #BREAKING France says new Brexit delay 'in nobody's interest': presidency

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1185566581549686786
    Macron was against he last extension and the one before, no one knows whats going to happen but I don't see it likely that the EU will throw the UK out with no-deal when its tried to prevent that so much.

    I expect the EU to wait with an answer, see what happens if the laws to implement Boris's deal come up for a vote next week.
    If they succeed then Boris's deal can happen and they can hold off the extension unless the UK needs more time to implement everything.
    If they fail I suspect the opposition will call upon the EU to extend to give time for a general election and the EU to grant that.

    I don't expect the EU to tell the UK to fuck off and be the party held responsible for causing a no-deal Brexit.
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  2. #25062
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    https://twitter.com/Conservatives/st...65358897467392

    Party of law and order may have broken the law with this tweet (Note may have, I'm not 100% sure on how conspiracy to break the law rules work or advocating breaking the law rules work)
    The Benn Act said that the government could not undermine it via behaviour such as that latest tweet. What I've not seen discussed is what happens when it's violated though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean you people keep quoting him so we have to see the burner whether we like it or not. As for him "correcting misinformation" his posts are deleted pretty fast anyway.
    You're right, I will snip his posts if I quote them. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Macron was against he last extension and the one before, no one knows whats going to happen but I don't see it likely that the EU will throw the UK out with no-deal when its tried to prevent that so much.

    I expect the EU to wait with an answer, see what happens if the laws to implement Boris's deal come up for a vote next week.
    If they succeed then Boris's deal can happen and they can hold off the extension unless the UK needs more time to implement everything.
    If they fail I suspect the opposition will call upon the EU to extend to give time for a general election and the EU to grant that.

    I don't expect the EU to tell the UK to fuck off and be the party held responsible for causing a no-deal Brexit.
    I don't think anyone within the EU that has a good amount of brain cells would hold the EU responsible anyhow and who cares what the brits think, I mean, they'll accuse the EU whatever outcome is reached, except those with the aforementioned amount of brain cells.
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  4. #25064
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    The Benn Act said that the government could not undermine it via behaviour such as that latest tweet. What I've not seen discussed is what happens when it's violated though.
    Actually I've seen a lot of discussions a few weeks ago about that - in particularly if/when it happens that if BoJo can be arrested/imprisoned for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Boris is saying he refuses to negotiate a delay, it seems.
    Technically he's right... technically he doesn't have to negotiate shit.

    He just says "Pweeease" and the EU says "OK, here you go.". No negotiation necessary! ;P

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    On a side-note, I really REALLY hope EU allows another extension - but this time with the condition that a Second Referendum should happen before then.

    I feel it's TOTALLY within their right at this point to make such a request. After England had three years to get their shit together post-brexit vote, and clearly England has completely underestimated or (*gasp!*) misrepresented to themselves and their people what Brexit would really entail. The EU has been more than patient enough, and I think/believe it's high time for the EU to say "OK, you've had enough chances - you really REALLY need to rethink this shit. Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?"

  5. #25065
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    The Benn Act said that the government could not undermine it via behaviour such as that latest tweet. What I've not seen discussed is what happens when it's violated though.
    In fairness that tweet is poorly worded and is not what Johnson actually said and has also stated that he plans to put his deal before parliament next week which if passed there will be no need for an extension request (outside of a probable short technical implementation period).

    As much as I'd like to send him to the Tower I don't think that this tweet is the smoking gun.

  6. #25066
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    In fairness that tweet is poorly worded and is not what Johnson actually said and has also stated that he plans to put his deal before parliament next week which if passed there will be no need for an extension request (outside of a probable short technical implementation period).

    As much as I'd like to send him to the Tower I don't think that this tweet is the smoking gun.
    The Benn Act provides for the circumstance that Parliament passes a Withdrawal bill after the letter is sent, so that would not be an impediment to Johnson sending the letter specified therein.

    If he does not send the letter by 11:01 local time this evening (00:01 Brussels time), he will have broken the law. Until then, all we can do is speculate, but all the indications by him have been that he will not send it (contrary to his government's statements before the Court of Sessions a week or so ago and statements made by his AG).

    Let's just wait and see. Not like we can change it by complaining on the internet anyway

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    sigh, this shit just keeps dragging on lol

  8. #25068
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But that can be a much shorter extension. A month should be enough.
    And if that's all the EU want to offer, that's fine.

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    He has to prove he can get the deal through Commons, considering he lost by 16, it's far from guaranteed.

    A longer extension would allow for either GE or 2R, preferably the latter as the former would just start the whole fucking merry-go-round again should we end up with a coalition gov.


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  10. #25070
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Boris is saying he refuses to negotiate a delay, it seems.
    I'm guessing a "request" is not a "negotiation". And, technically, he doesn't negotiate such a delay anyway. What May did was request the delay, give her reasoning as to why the UK required that extension and then she was shown the door so the Council could deliberate without the UK.

    So, he's not wrong, but of course he's thrown up quite the smokescreen as many opposing MPs couldn't resist harping on about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    #BREAKING France says new Brexit delay 'in nobody's interest': presidency

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1185566581549686786
    @Jessicka You reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Macron was against he last extension and the one before, no one knows whats going to happen but I don't see it likely that the EU will throw the UK out with no-deal when its tried to prevent that so much.

    I expect the EU to wait with an answer, see what happens if the laws to implement Boris's deal come up for a vote next week.
    If they succeed then Boris's deal can happen and they can hold off the extension unless the UK needs more time to implement everything.
    If they fail I suspect the opposition will call upon the EU to extend to give time for a general election and the EU to grant that.

    I don't expect the EU to tell the UK to fuck off and be the party held responsible for causing a no-deal Brexit.
    That's not gonna happen in any case now. The EU has proven time and agian to be forthcoming. This is on the UK. And really, nobody outside the UK gives a shit what politicians or the media inside the UK thinks about the EU.
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    Macron even opposing it is not going to make France the nation to block the extension, Macron wants to go above and beyond what Merkel was for Europe.

    And with that in mind Mr. Europe is trying to get a more federal and united Europe with Europe having their own foreign politics disconnected from the rest of the world.

    So he'll take a hard stance because his vision of Europe means Europe can no longer sit by and watch, but he won't make his no extension opinion something he'll cause a political crisis over.

    The EU has however taken all measures not sure how far a long everything is, but there is a crisis fund for member states hit the hardest by a no deal brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Actually I've seen a lot of discussions a few weeks ago about that - in particularly if/when it happens that if BoJo can be arrested/imprisoned for it.

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    Technically he's right... technically he doesn't have to negotiate shit.

    He just says "Pweeease" and the EU says "OK, here you go.". No negotiation necessary! ;P

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    On a side-note, I really REALLY hope EU allows another extension - but this time with the condition that a Second Referendum should happen before then.

    I feel it's TOTALLY within their right at this point to make such a request. After England had three years to get their shit together post-brexit vote, and clearly England has completely underestimated or (*gasp!*) misrepresented to themselves and their people what Brexit would really entail. The EU has been more than patient enough, and I think/believe it's high time for the EU to say "OK, you've had enough chances - you really REALLY need to rethink this shit. Are you REALLY sure you want to do this?"
    Honestly, i do hope not.

    If the EU has this one condition, i can see the headline: "the EU lets people vote until it is happy with the results". No thanks. If after three years they wont come tho the conclusion by themselves, why should we as the EU care? Just to be the assholes that "undermine democracy" again?

    They made their decision, now they have to live with it.

  13. #25073
    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Macron even opposing it is not going to make France the nation to block the extension, Macron wants to go above and beyond what Merkel was for Europe.

    And with that in mind Mr. Europe is trying to get a more federal and united Europe with Europe having their own foreign politics disconnected from the rest of the world.

    So he'll take a hard stance because his vision of Europe means Europe can no longer sit by and watch, but he won't make his no extension opinion something he'll cause a political crisis over.

    The EU has however taken all measures not sure how far a long everything is, but there is a crisis fund for member states hit the hardest by a no deal brexit.
    Macron really has no chance of "transforming" Europe. For better or worse, he has more enemies than allies within the EU and it is questionable that he will even get reelected at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    Actually I've seen a lot of discussions a few weeks ago about that - in particularly if/when it happens that if BoJo can be arrested/imprisoned for it.
    Technically speaking it goes further, it could result in impeachment proceedings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Macron really has no chance of "transforming" Europe. For better or worse, he has more enemies than allies within the EU and it is questionable that he will even get reelected at home.
    Perhaps more enemies, but that's because the landscape has changed. Powerbloc's have changed so any change will need a whole lot more different groups than it did before.

    No idea about France politics, his response to the yellow vests was alright and it is not like that group has as much as a following as it did before.

  16. #25076
    EU sick of Brexit, but likely to grant an extension if asked

    “If we still hope to be able to salvage this deal, we’d be looking at shorter ones,” the diplomat said. “Then, if we are looking at elections or second referendums, a longer one would most likely be needed. At this stage, it really depends on what happens in Britain in the coming hours.”
    So unless the UK moves in someway in the following days, the EU is very likely to just grant a technical extension so all this posturing won is a month more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Perhaps more enemies, but that's because the landscape has changed. Powerbloc's have changed so any change will need a whole lot more different groups than it did before.

    No idea about France politics, his response to the yellow vests was alright and it is not like that group has as much as a following as it did before.
    I mean he had his choice of commissioner blocked. The Parliament very clearly wanted to make a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post


    I mean he had his choice of commissioner blocked. The Parliament very clearly wanted to make a point.
    Appointees were a bit all over if i remember correctly.

  18. #25078
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
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    Merkel's speech at the Bundestag might have mellowed Macron's mood. His bad cop act and willingness to get it over with asap might be offset a little by Merkel's warning that the UK's be will have to be shared proportionally by everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Macron really has no chance of "transforming" Europe. For better or worse, he has more enemies than allies within the EU and it is questionable that he will even get reelected at home.
    I'm not sure he does. At home, sure, within the Council? I don't know. now that the NFF 2011/2017 is up for a vote it's not just about good intentions though, he will have to commit real money to make up for the loss in UK contribution. That won't be an easy sell back home.

  19. #25079
    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Honestly, i do hope not.

    If the EU has this one condition, i can see the headline: "the EU lets people vote until it is happy with the results". No thanks. If after three years they wont come tho the conclusion by themselves, why should we as the EU care? Just to be the assholes that "undermine democracy" again?

    They made their decision, now they have to live with it.
    You honestly think I didn't think that? :P

    As I pointed out many weeks earlier, it doesn't matter what the EU does... headlines are all going to spin it anti-EU either way. I'd rather have the majority (who have theoretically wizened up in the past 3 years) in England have another go than just let it all collapse because "Well, shucks guyz!". Also, keep in mind that if the majority of England votes to remain the second time - that becomes ENGLAND'S issue, not the EU, as it was englanders who voted to remain again this go-around - not the EU.

  20. #25080
    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Appointees were a bit all over if i remember correctly.
    There is a back and forth every year. The top posts are head of the EC, EP, Council ECB and High representative.
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