View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26021
    Maybe satire but when its more truthful than most British media, it really does make you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I can assure you I voted to leave the single market.
    No you didn't.

    You may have wanted to leave the single market but that's not what you voted for as it wasn't on offer in 2016, the Leave campaign (and Boris in particular) made it quite clear that voting to leave the EU did not mean leaving the single market (it was one of their big selling points for leaving).

    This is why the lies told by the Leave campaign are such a contentions subject, because if they had not said that then the result would have been a remain victory. Hence why of the millions who only voted to leave because they trusted the Leave campaign and believed we would be leaving with a deal that allowed us to remain in the single market, many have since changed their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    No you didn't.

    You may have wanted to leave the single market but that's not what you voted for as it wasn't on offer in 2016, the Leave campaign (and Boris in particular) made it quite clear that voting to leave the EU did not mean leaving the single market (it was one of their big selling points for leaving).

    This is why the lies told by the Leave campaign are such a contentions subject, because if they had not said that then the result would have been a remain victory. Hence why of the millions who only voted to leave because they trusted the Leave campaign and believed we would be leaving with a deal that allowed us to remain in the single market, many have since changed their mind.

    The only thing I can agree with you on is yes many people have changed their minds.

    Ex remainers have seen sense and gone leave. That's why instead of a remain parliament as now, we will end up with a brexit one after the Brexit election. Drain the swamp = happy days as the will of the people is served.

    BREAKING: First big election model seat projection predicts Tory majority of 48

    Con 349...Leave
    Lab 213...Neutral
    LD 14 .....Remain
    Others.....Who cares

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    Now let's get brexit done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The only thing I can agree with you on is yes many people have changed their minds.

    Ex remainers have seen sense and gone leave. That's why instead of a remain parliament as now, we will end up with a brexit one after the Brexit election. Drain the swamp = happy days as the will of the people is served.

    BREAKING: First big election model seat projection predicts Tory majority of 48

    Con 349...Leave
    Lab 213...Neutral
    LD 14 .....Remain
    Others.....Who cares

    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...60629930790916

    Now let's get brexit done.
    "Get Brexit done". With the Prime Minister who had the chance to do so in October and bottled it. Who acted before becoming PM in a way that forced Brexit to not get done.

    But what happened to your beloved UKIP/Brexit Party?! Didn't you say they would win a load of seats? I suppose there isn't really any point voting for them given that they couldn't have got a majority anyway (after Farage decided to keep being a coward and ran away from power again after standing down two thirds of his candidates).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    "Get Brexit done". With the Prime Minister who had the chance to do so in October and bottled it. Who acted before becoming PM in a way that forced Brexit to not get done.

    But what happened to your beloved UKIP/Brexit Party?! Didn't you say they would win a load of seats? I suppose there isn't really any point voting for them given that they couldn't have got a majority anyway (after Farage decided to keep being a coward and ran away from power again after standing down two thirds of his candidates).
    What happened? The Blue Wave happened.

    https://leave.eu/introducing-blue-wave/

    We took the Tories, keeping them honest all without you noticing, leaving the original Brexit Party to hoover up the 5 million disaffected Labour leave voters who would never vote Tory and decimate comrade Corbyns northern marginals voter base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    What happened? The Blue Wave happened.



    We took the Tories, keeping them honest all without you noticing, leaving the original Brexit Party to hoover up the 5 million disaffected Labour leave voters who would never vote Tory and decimate comrade Corbyns northern marginals voter base.
    You might want to wait until all this actually happens. Much of this was supposed to happen in 2017 and didn't.

  7. #26027
    So the Tories have managed to publish a manifesto without shitting the bed like last time. Completely unambitious and therefore pretty difficult to attack aside from whats looking like a rather spurious claim to recruit more nurses on the cheap and tbf it's not like anyone believes them anyway, the Conservatives have never hit a target they've set in the past so why should the British public even bother believing them this time?

    Sad times really, you can attack the Labour manifesto for being high risk, overly ambitious and potentially ruinous but hey, it's at least promising a vision for the country going forward, whilst this Conservative manifesto is at best saying "Hey! We can go back to 2008!"....over a decade later. Utterly depressing.

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    The Manifesto is basically 'We'll revert all the cuts and damage we did, spend a ton of money AND cut taxes all at once!' Its a fantasy manifesto, but unlike Labour it won't be scrutinised as harshly even though its just as pie in the sky.

    Dribbles still pushing his utter misunderstanding of the FPTP the system as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    So the Tories have managed to publish a manifesto without shitting the bed like last time. Completely unambitious and therefore pretty difficult to attack aside from whats looking like a rather spurious claim to recruit more nurses on the cheap and tbf it's not like anyone believes them anyway, the Conservatives have never hit a target they've set in the past so why should the British public even bother believing them this time?

    Sad times really, you can attack the Labour manifesto for being high risk, overly ambitious and potentially ruinous but hey, it's at least promising a vision for the country going forward, whilst this Conservative manifesto is at best saying "Hey! We can go back to 2008!"....over a decade later. Utterly depressing.
    It's basically "elect us, and we'll do Brexit and...errr....that's about it. Oh, and here's a few things that might sound reasonable but don't hold up to 30 seconds of scrutiny". If enough people fall for this to get Boris his majority, then we deserve everything that happens to us after that. It is mind-boggling how many voters are so ignorant that they are happy to vote for a party funded by billionaires and businessmen who operate purely and solely for the benefit of those groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    The Manifesto is basically 'We'll revert all the cuts and damage we did, spend a ton of money AND cut taxes all at once!' Its a fantasy manifesto, but unlike Labour it won't be scrutinised as harshly even though its just as pie in the sky.

    Dribbles still pushing his utter misunderstanding of the FPTP the system as always.
    The surprising part is that not much of what you are saying is true. They aren't promising tax cuts, they aren't promising to spend all that much (or maybe that the window on "much" has been so radically moved in this election), it's basically promising nothing. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the only tax cut is a cut to National Insurance which by all rights should be getting dumped on (how do you find extra money for the NHS whilst directly defunding the NHS?), It's a hardly even worth raising an eye brow at.

    Yeah sure they will be getting off easy but even a deep dive on it isn't going to pull up much because their isn't anything in the fucking thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Its a fantasy manifesto
    It's also cucking immensely to leftist viewpoints in general. WTB someone who's actually right-wing to do this stuff like good old Maggie, instead of this wet nonsense. Whatever, "stay the course" is still far better than Comrade Corbyn or the official anti-Brexit parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleros View Post
    It's also cucking immensely to leftist viewpoints in general. WTB someone who's actually right-wing to do this stuff like good old Maggie, instead of this wet nonsense. Whatever, "stay the course" is still far better than Comrade Corbyn or the official anti-Brexit parties.
    Really? Passing off 6 refurbishments as 40 new hospitals? The number of current Nurse vacancies as new jobs? Announcing new Police recruitment that doesn’t even cover the number sacked off already? Is better?

    That’s before hand waving the tens of thousands dead to austerity.

    Are you one of those idiots who justify this guy and his racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, appeal to antisemites, and whatever other bigotry he’s got going on because “Labour antisemitism which is mostly just opposition to Israeli occupations and apartheid is bad”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Really? Passing off 6 refurbishments as 40 new hospitals? The number of current Nurse vacancies as new jobs? Announcing new Police recruitment that doesn’t even cover the number sacked off already? Is better?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    That’s before hand waving the tens of thousands dead to austerity.
    We have not had austerity. Austerity is when, as in the Great Depression, all civil servants took an immediate 10% pay cut. It is not when the rate of growth in government spending decreases, but still remains on an upward trajectory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Are you one of those idiots who justify this guy and his racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, appeal to antisemites, and whatever other bigotry he’s got going on
    IDGAF what magic words you try to attack him with. I don't entirely trust BoJo - he's too much of a political creature, and I'd rather someone more principled and nationalistic - but you work with what you've got, and unfortunately we don't have Churchill, Thatcher, or someone of that calibre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    because “Labour antisemitism which is mostly just opposition to Israeli occupations and apartheid is bad”?
    Labour's antisemitism scandal is, from what I can tell:

    1. A bit of old Labour's "bash the rich" stuff, and Jews are statistically over-represented amongst the wealthy, so lazy people conflate the two.
    2. Appeals to Mohammedan voters in Labour seats.
    3. Bashing Israel because of the Palestinians (whether justified or not).
    4. Cooked up by the establishment and/or media to tar & feather him.
    5. Corbyn et al not signing up to a very particular, and I'd argue stupid, definition of anti-semitism.

    How much blame for the Labour anti-semitism stuff you want to assign to each of those 5 points is up to you. Me, I think most of it is points 2, 3 and especially 4. But whatever - my belief is that Corbyn is an ultra-far-left, power-hungry guy with a thick, thick file in the MI5 archives from the Cold War days, if you get what I mean.
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  14. #26034
    Have fun with that guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Have fun with that guys.
    What fun? there hasn't been any in 9 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleros View Post
    How much blame for the Labour anti-semitism stuff you want to assign to each of those 5 points is up to you. Me, I think most of it is points 2, 3 and especially 4. But whatever - my belief is that Corbyn is an ultra-far-left, power-hungry guy with a thick, thick file in the MI5 archives from the Cold War days, if you get what I mean.
    Hm, curious.

    Considering russian wealth and the Kremlin currently mostly seems to have ties with the Tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Hm, curious.

    Considering russian wealth and the Kremlin currently mostly seems to have ties with the Tories.
    Historically it's been the exiled eussian oligarchs from the 90s who are found on tory doner lists, but wouldn't Suprise me to find the kremlin putting out tory propaganda but I also expect there putting out Labour propaganda too, as was shown in the Muller report there mainly interested in stoking division more than one side winning, obvs they wanted trump over hillary in the states as hillary was clearly gunning for them, but the UK cons have been too anti Putin over the years to call them allies, the longer there's hung parliaments and the longer the UK is consumed by internal division and issue the better it is for Russia and that's all Russia actualy cares about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Hm, curious.

    Considering russian wealth and the Kremlin currently mostly seems to have ties with the Tories.
    Ssh, don't bring actual facts into a discussion with someone who is so clearly operating on feelings.

    One party is getting large amounts of funding from Russians, and is suppressing a report into the activities of Russia in interfering with UK politics. So clearly it's the leader of the OTHER party that is totally under Russian control. Honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    The surprising part is that not much of what you are saying is true. They aren't promising tax cuts, they aren't promising to spend all that much (or maybe that the window on "much" has been so radically moved in this election), it's basically promising nothing. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the only tax cut is a cut to National Insurance which by all rights should be getting dumped on (how do you find extra money for the NHS whilst directly defunding the NHS?), It's a hardly even worth raising an eye brow at.

    Yeah sure they will be getting off easy but even a deep dive on it isn't going to pull up much because their isn't anything in the fucking thing.
    They aren't promising tax cuts, except the tax cuts you just mentioned...

    As to spending, more police, more nurses, restarting nursing bursaries, more hospitals, spend billions on new homes, create 250k new childcare places, £2 billion to fill potholes...

    I think that constitutes increased spending and cutting taxes.

    So thanks for letting me feel free to correct you.

    If you think getting 50k new nurses isn't pie in the sky I've got a bridge to sell you, fwiw I'm a nurse, so I can guarantee you we aren't getting 50k new nurses.

    I haven't included the 70 billion his Brexit plan is expected to cost us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    They aren't promising tax cuts, except the tax cuts you just mentioned...

    As to spending, more police, more nurses, restarting nursing bursaries, more hospitals, spend billions on new homes, create 250k new childcare places, £2 billion to fill potholes...

    I think that constitutes increased spending and cutting taxes.

    So thanks for letting me feel free to correct you.

    If you think getting 50k new nurses isn't pie in the sky I've got a bridge to sell you, fwiw I'm a nurse, so I can guarantee you we aren't getting 50k new nurses.
    Like all things promised, there's a promise then there's implimenting it, as jess Philips MP basically said, being realistic you should always take manifestos with a pinch of salt. Usualy you get a few off the list befor time runs out and there's a new GE. I know full well corbyn will probly only manage a few things on his list within the 4 years, what rings alarm bells is how interconected alot of them are to not backfire, like how the land value tax is reliant on the rent rate controls to not end up being passed on to tenants rent.

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