View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

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  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
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    11 11.96%
  1. #26101
    Don't forget, it was also because of Tory mismanagement / incompetence that there was a terrorist attack on London Bridge earlier this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Jeremy Corbyn questions Israel’s right to exist...
    Is this somehow a controversial opinion within the UK?

    Or it this just more pearl-clutching caused by the media?

    "Oh noes, someone is questioning the rightfulness of an artificial aggressive state at the root of massive and permanent violence and injustices in the Middle East! Which incidentally also has strong ties to the large military-industrial and corporate weapon manufacturers around the world."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Don't forget, it was also because of Tory mismanagement / incompetence that there was a terrorist attack on London Bridge earlier this week.

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    Is this somehow a controversial opinion within the UK?

    Or it this just more pearl-clutching caused by the media?

    "Oh noes, someone is questioning the rightfulness of an artificial aggressive state at the root of massive and permanent violence and injustices in the Middle East! Which incidentally also has strong ties to the large military-industrial and corporate weapon manufacturers around the world."
    Well apparantly Corbyn's only direct comment on wether Israel has a right to exist was that they have a right to exist so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    What "Israel" has the right to exist? The one with borders that were in place back in 1948? Or the one today following decades of stealing land from Palestinians? How far should they be allowed to extend before we have the right to say "stop"? Do we have to wait until they wipe out the Palestinians entirely before we can say that genocide is a bad thing REGARDLESS OF WHO IS DOING IT?

    If a thing was wrong when it was done to Jews, then it's wrong when it's Jews doing it. It isn't the ethinicity of the actor on either side that's important, it's the act itself.
    Who is this we that you say has the right to say stop?

    You know, moderates like me will never understand why extremists like you take the side of Corbyn's bezzies Hamas. A proscribed organisation in the UK btw.

    Oh well you keep advocating for terrorists over natural allies of the UK, like Israel, and you expose the so called tolerant left for who they are. No wonder they have a problem with anti-semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Who is this we that you say has the right to say stop?

    You know, moderates like me will never understand why extremists like you take the side of Corbyn's bezzies Hamas. A proscribed organisation in the UK btw.

    Oh well you keep advocating for terrorists over natural allies of the UK, like Israel, and you expose the so called tolerant left for who they are. No wonder they have a problem with anti-semitism.
    You can stop pretending to be moderate now, no one is falling for it. And I see you also keep confusing government for actual people because having issues with a country's government is not the same as hating it's people otherwise you'd hate the UK.
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    @dribbles woa, what happened to your signature where you always link to the so called impending brexit date? Did you get tired of linking to something that continuously made you look wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Who is this we that you say has the right to say stop?

    You know, moderates like me will never understand why extremists like you take the side of Corbyn's bezzies Hamas. A proscribed organisation in the UK btw.

    Oh well you keep advocating for terrorists over natural allies of the UK, like Israel, and you expose the so called tolerant left for who they are. No wonder they have a problem with anti-semitism.
    please stop, i'm gonna piss myself from laughing if you keep it up with these sad lies xD

  6. #26106
    It's weird how much Israel talk there is here. Who gives a shit? How is that the UK's problem in any meaningful sense? Suppose Jeremy Corbyn in his heart of hearts wished that Israel just wasn't a country at all - where should that rank on the list of British political considerations?

    I'm generally pretty pro-Israel, I just don't get how this ever became a meaningful attack on a politician in 2019 Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    @dribbles woa, what happened to your signature where you always link to the so called impending brexit date? Did you get tired of linking to something that continuously made you look wrong?

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    please stop, i'm gonna piss myself from laughing if you keep it up with these sad lies xD
    Maybe Nige asked them to take the site offline because he's given up on Brexit?

  8. #26108
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm generally pretty pro-Israel, I just don't get how this ever became a meaningful attack on a politician in 2019 Europe.
    Me neither, it is the favorite stick the media loves to use to slander politicians within the UK though.

    I posed the question a few dozen pages ago already how "anti-semitism" is even the main subject when you literally have much more relevant things going on such as:
    - Tory mismanagement releasing the terrorist that caused the London Bridge attack
    - BJ making comments about "workers" all being drunks, lazy and useless
    - Tories trying to sell off the NHS

    It's a good distraction, so the government won't have to actually answer or address any problems they're responsible for...

  9. #26109
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Maybe Nige asked them to take the site offline because he's given up on Brexit?
    Nige likely never wanted Brexit. Just knew an easy job when he saw one. Get paid stacks by turning up in EU parliament once a quarter. Spend 5 minutes bitching about it then go home and pretend to be a man in the pub. (I mean he acts ignorant enough to be one.)

    Nige is just upset he likely won't be in the EU parliament much longer and his paymasters abandoned him for Bojo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Nige likely never wanted Brexit. Just knew an easy job when he saw one. Get paid stacks by turning up in EU parliament once a quarter. Spend 5 minutes bitching about it then go home and pretend to be a man in the pub. (I mean he acts ignorant enough to be one.)

    Nige is just upset he likely won't be in the EU parliament much longer and his paymasters abandoned him for Bojo.
    Yeah, if Brexit ever actually happened, Nige would lose his only soapbox. If he is to remain relevant (i.e. get spots on QT, be on the 10 o'clock news, get asked to be on the UK's version of Alex Jones' radio show and so on) Brexit cannot happen. Brexit not happening also has the additional benefit of him getting thousands of pounds per month, untaxed, plus expenses from the EU for not doing his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Me neither, it is the favorite stick the media loves to use to slander politicians within the UK though.

    I posed the question a few dozen pages ago already how "anti-semitism" is even the main subject when you literally have much more relevant things going on such as:
    - Tory mismanagement releasing the terrorist that caused the London Bridge attack
    - BJ making comments about "workers" all being drunks, lazy and useless
    - Tories trying to sell off the NHS

    It's a good distraction, so the government won't have to actually answer or address any problems they're responsible for...
    I suppose it's easier than actually arguing the substance of things that matter in the UK. I think what I'm puzzled by more than anything else is the reflexive taking of the bait. Sure, I'd expect Corbyn himself to push back against claims that he's an "anti-Semite", but it's not obvious to me why his supporters don't simply reply, "I actually don't give a shit if Jeremy likes Israel". Why is the immediate response get defensive and try to somehow prove the accusation false when you know the accusers don't actually care much anyway?

    Not my guy, not my country, and I'm surely not a good one to get advice from on the matter, I'm just personally puzzled by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's weird how much Israel talk there is here. Who gives a shit? How is that the UK's problem in any meaningful sense? Suppose Jeremy Corbyn in his heart of hearts wished that Israel just wasn't a country at all - where should that rank on the list of British political considerations?

    I'm generally pretty pro-Israel, I just don't get how this ever became a meaningful attack on a politician in 2019 Europe.
    I think it's because it's the most complex and interesting geopolitical issue of our era. I'm pretty sure Israel talk will basically be a political hobby/pastime for decades to come.

    Is the Israel issue of much importance? No.
    Is it a source for endless musing and bickering? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's weird how much Israel talk there is here. Who gives a shit? How is that the UK's problem in any meaningful sense? Suppose Jeremy Corbyn in his heart of hearts wished that Israel just wasn't a country at all - where should that rank on the list of British political considerations?

    I'm generally pretty pro-Israel, I just don't get how this ever became a meaningful attack on a politician in 2019 Europe.
    It's because Labour sell themselves as the party of sanctuary for the downtrodden, disabled, minorities and the poor, yet nothing could be further from the truth. The UK welcomed and offered such sanctuary from European persecution to many Jews in their past hour of need. The problem with Labour under the Corbyn leadership is that, other than the BNP, no other UK political party has been under formal investigation by the EHRC.

    The equalities watchdog is investigating over whether the party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/a...earch-1.493759

    Shameful. How can British people who think of themselves as decent vote for and want that man to represent them on the world stage and engage with the EU during the Brexit negotiations?

    Any enemy of Britain is Corbyns best mate. I'd hate to think what he'd sacrifice to appease our greatest enemy of the 21stC, the EU...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It's because Labour sell themselves as the party of sanctuary for the downtrodden, disabled, minorities and the poor, yet nothing could be further from the truth. The UK welcomed and offered such sanctuary from European persecution to many Jews in their past hour of need. The problem with Labour under the Corbyn leadership is that, other than the BNP, no other UK political party has been under formal investigation by the EHRC.

    The equalities watchdog is investigating over whether the party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/a...earch-1.493759

    Shameful. How can British people who think of themselves as decent vote for and want that man to represent them on the world stage and engage with the EU during the Brexit negotiations?

    Any enemy of Britain is Corbyns best mate. I'd hate to think what he'd sacrifice to appease our greatest enemy of the 21stC, the EU...
    So do you actually care about what an "equalities watchdog" has to say? I can't tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    Maybe Nige asked them to take the site offline because he's given up on Brexit?
    the best part is how he ignores me, pretending like he hasn't been proven wrong the last what? 10 times with that ridicules date that never comes around hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    the best part is how he ignores me, pretending like he hasn't been proven wrong the last what? 10 times with that ridicules date that never comes around hahaha
    Give us 5 minutes will you? We have to drain the parliamentary swamp first. Remain are all over the place, whilst Brexiteers are organised and united.

    https://unite2leave.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Give us 5 minutes will you? We have to drain the parliamentary swamp first. Remain are all over the place, whilst Brexiteers are organised and united.

    https://unite2leave.co.uk

    Before the tick tocks restart you could just listen to the message in my sig, over and over you'll get the message...
    i could swear you've been saying this crap since day one and nothing has happened yet. At this point i'm convinced you're just a russian troll trying to sow discord on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We have to drain the parliamentary swamp first. Remain are all over the place, whilst Brexiteers are organised and united.
    I weep for the UK's future.
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    I weep for the UK's future.
    You don't have to tolerate idiocy and trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    i could swear you've been saying this crap since day one and nothing has happened yet. At this point i'm convinced you're just a russian troll trying to sow discord on the internet.
    No shit.
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    The thing I find funniest about the fake allegations of antisemitism people throw at Corbyn is that not only is it obviously untrue as he's spent his entire life fighting racism/intolerance (condemning the government of Israel for any wrongdoings is not antisemitic no matter how much Netanyahu wishes it was), but even if it was true (which it isn't just to clarify) it doesn't even matter anyway.

    Because even if it was true, he must be the worst antisemitic going as since the BXP imploded the Tories have the Nazi vote in the bag, and to make things even more comical the leader of the Tories (and current PM) is a self confessed racist and Islamophobe, yet some people are still worried about Corbyn becoming PM because he hasn't been proven 100% beyond any possible doubt to not be a potential maybe antisemite >.>

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