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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26261
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Oh and don't worry about a UK/US trade deal, even though the EU have had a 60 year head start and still failed, I bet we achieve it first.
    On the assumption that Boris doesn't break the GFA, that is a no-brainer. Of course the UK will get a trade deal with the US first, because the US side of the negotiations will consist of "drop your trousers, bend over the table, brace yourself". While the UK side at best will consist of "can we have a small amount of lube first?". It's easy to make a deal on that basis; the reason the EU/US deal hasn't happened yet is because the US thinks they can still do that with the EU, and they can't.

    For proof, look at the details that have started to come out of the Japan deal. We got royally screwed on that one, and the disparity in power was nowhere near as pronounced. If you think we're getting a good deal with the US you're......well, you're you, so of course you think we will. But we really won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    On the assumption that Boris doesn't break the GFA, that is a no-brainer. Of course the UK will get a trade deal with the US first, because the US side of the negotiations will consist of "drop your trousers, bend over the table, brace yourself". While the UK side at best will consist of "can we have a small amount of lube first?". It's easy to make a deal on that basis; the reason the EU/US deal hasn't happened yet is because the US thinks they can still do that with the EU, and they can't.

    For proof, look at the details that have started to come out of the Japan deal. We got royally screwed on that one, and the disparity in power was nowhere near as pronounced. If you think we're getting a good deal with the US you're......well, you're you, so of course you think we will. But we really won't.
    Exactly. I can see precisely what's going to happen:

    1) The UK, which hasn't produced enough food to feed its population since at least World War 2, desperately wants the US 'deal' to go ahead.

    2) The US, being the far stronger partner in the negotiations, is incentivised to string the UK along until it capitulates on everything.

    3) Country of Origin labelling is abolished* as "anti-American" and "anti-free trade," because the US is so proud of its 'food' it doesn't want you to know where it came from or what's in it. Other food standards are likewise crippled, cutting the UK off from the EU even more.

    * But only in the UK; the US will not reciprocate.

    4) The US food industry floods the UK market en masse, seeking to undercut local suppliers and force them out of business.

    5) Any remaining local suppliers are bought out, bribed, terrorised or 'disappeared.' The Tory party looks the other way, in exchange for fat stacks of cash.

    6) With the UK's food industry crippled, US suppliers raise their prices, safe in the knowledge that the UK has no option but to pay.

    Result: Utter economic domination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azhran View Post
    As if anyone actually believes such an obvious shitposter.
    You'd hopefully think so, but a lot of events over the past couple of years has me convinced there are plenty of people that do buy into the Dribbles brand of bullshit out there.

  4. #26264
    Quote Originally Posted by Azhran View Post
    As if anyone actually believes such an obvious shitposter.
    That's the problem. All you have to do is talk to your average brexiteer and you'll see Dribbles is just like them. They are delusional, some even more so than he is. They need to be argued down, even belittled if necessary so that their cancerous views don't spread.

    If dribbles is a troll then as a troll he's still parroting every single delusional brexiteer argument over and over. He's not making stuff up out of his own brain but the brains of the mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    That's the problem. All you have to do is talk to your average brexiteer and you'll see Dribbles is just like them. They are delusional, some even more so than he is. They need to be argued down, even belittled if necessary so that their cancerous views don't spread.

    If dribbles is a troll then as a troll he's still parroting every single delusional brexiteer argument over and over. He's not making stuff up out of his own brain but the brains of the mass.
    That's why he is so useful here. He parrots his arguments. And then his arguments get the full treatment - what is wrong about them, what is ok, and what is actually accurate.

    This is at least close to a real political debate. It's much better than what passes for political debate in the US. I've learned a lot from the responses to his posts.

    And some of the things he posts are also quite illuminating. His graph about "favorable views of the US" and "favorable views of Trump" by country is ... interesting???

    I figured Trump's numbers would be low (I did not expect them to be THAT low), but the numbers for the US were also quite low, even for the UK and Japan.

    13 Country Median:

    34% of the people have a favorable view of the US (ouch).
    16% of the people have a favorable view of Trump (double or maybe even triple ouch).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    I figured Trump's numbers would be low (I did not expect them to be THAT low)
    On the other hand, I didn't expect them to be that high. The only thing that brings me joy about that is knowing that my country is bringing the average down.

  7. #26267
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Most people require the services of a midwife for a few hours/days at most, not 50-60 years like the EU. Comparing the US as the EU's midwife is ridiculous, time to get off the US bosom slanty and stop sucking on that teet. Don't you feel any sense of shame at the EU still being so attached and needy to it after all this time? It would be like me still suckling on my Grandma...

    The US president might be outwardly supportive of the EU, but he must have a mind to the people he represents. Those very same people whose tax dollars are paying for and subsidising very expensive EU defences when they should now be doing it, no US bosom required, for themselves.

    The EU has a pretend deep and healthy relationship with the US only for as long as they are in receipt of US paid for benefits. It is very one sided, almost the same sort of abusive relationship the UK had with the EU prior to brexit when we were members. Everything is rosy as long as the EU are in receipt of foreign aid from generous nation benefactors, take that away and the facade and false friendship crumbles. Oh and don't worry about a UK/US trade deal, even though the EU have had a 60 year head start and still failed, I bet we achieve it first.

    Of course Britain leaving the EU cabal makes the EU overall more Ameri-sceptic, look, compared to the UK at these EU member states US approval ratings. This is why many in the US oppose brexit, the UK was their one and only reliable English speaking pal dining at the EU table, nothing to do with the GFA that the EU will break in January, not the UK. These figures are barely unchanged from the Obama years, nothing to do with Trump, you cannot be more wrong.

    Odd considering how Trump managed to make 2020 even worse than the previous years.

    Also quite ironic how a brit, longing for the great times of the British Empire, is bitching about beeing threated like a bitch by a union you even entered voluntarity, luckily no one invaded and forced you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    luckily no one invaded and forced you.
    They should, and will probably need to, at some point; our leaders are equal parts incompetent and evil, and vast swathes of the public are so easily led by their lies it's a wonder they can put their clothes on the right way in the morning.
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    LONDON (Reuters) - The combination of COVID-19 and a failure to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union could cost the United Kingdom around 134 billion pounds ($174 billion) each year in lost GDP for a decade, research by law firm Baker & McKenzie showed.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN26Q0HD

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    LONDON (Reuters) - The combination of COVID-19 and a failure to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union could cost the United Kingdom around 134 billion pounds ($174 billion) each year in lost GDP for a decade, research by law firm Baker & McKenzie showed.

    For the benefit of people who only skim over sensationalist nonsense like this, I highlight the only important word in that sentence especially for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    LONDON (Reuters) - The combination of COVID-19 and a failure to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union could cost the United Kingdom around 134 billion pounds ($174 billion) each year in lost GDP for a decade, research by law firm Baker & McKenzie showed.

    For the benefit of people who only skim over sensationalist nonsense like this, I highlight the only important word in that sentence especially for them.
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    what margin are we talking ? unless dribbles wants to handwave away each billion of such a loss it still speaks desaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    LONDON (Reuters) - The combination of COVID-19 and a failure to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union could cost the United Kingdom around 134 billion pounds ($174 billion) each year in lost GDP for a decade, research by law firm Baker & McKenzie showed.

    For the benefit of people who only skim over sensationalist nonsense like this, I highlight the only important word in that sentence especially for them.
    Because they don't have a magic future box to see the future. They're doing the best with the data they have available, and are making predictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Because they don't have a magic future box to see the future. They're doing the best with the data they have available, and are making predictions.
    It's just an attempt to discredit the forecast, nothing else. Just like he will decry any discrepancy from that prediction a proof that they don't know what they were doing and never knew. The principle mechanics - and intention - of predictions like this has been thoroughly explained to Dribbles long ago. To no avail, obviously, since understanding requires a willingness to actually listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    LONDON (Reuters) - The combination of COVID-19 and a failure to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the European Union could cost the United Kingdom around 134 billion pounds ($174 billion) each year in lost GDP for a decade, research by law firm Baker & McKenzie showed.

    For the benefit of people who only skim over sensationalist nonsense like this, I highlight the only important word in that sentence especially for them.
    Scraping the bottom of the barrel, huh...

    Ok, let's help you:

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...-brexit-268028
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN26L3WW
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k

    Financial services firms operating in the U.K. have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than 1.2 trillion pounds ($1.6 trillion) of assets to the European Union ahead of Brexit -- with more likely to follow in coming weeks, according to EY.
    That reduced business? It's going to cost the UK. It'll directly translate into less tax income. It's happening buddy. You wanted this, you got it. This is how people lose interest in you guys. This is how it all begins. This isn't a one time event. This bloodletting will continue until you are shrunk to the size that the market deems proper for you. Enjoy!

    Oh, btw, that deal you're celebrating everytime the UK fucks it up? That's the ONLY chance of the UK financial sector maintaining its size. If they lose passporting, they will be nothing but another marketplace. And there is plenty of those. But who will the new trade hub gateway into the EU be? Not London, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Scraping the bottom of the barrel, huh...

    Ok, let's help you:

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...-brexit-268028
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN26L3WW
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k



    That reduced business? It's going to cost the UK. It'll directly translate into less tax income. It's happening buddy. You wanted this, you got it. This is how people lose interest in you guys. This is how it all begins. This isn't a one time event. This bloodletting will continue until you are shrunk to the size that the market deems proper for you. Enjoy!

    Oh, btw, that deal you're celebrating everytime the UK fucks it up? That's the ONLY chance of the UK financial sector maintaining its size. If they lose passporting, they will be nothing but another marketplace. And there is plenty of those. But who will the new trade hub gateway into the EU be? Not London, that's for sure.
    So about 1% of City of London employees have gone to the EU. That's not a win for the EU but UK companies managing out bad employees and sending their crud to places, perceived as boring Frankfurt or high tax and restrictive labour laws Paris for example, that no one wants to go and live.

    And as for passporting, the EU have begged the UK to extend equivalence until June 2022, deal or no deal, and will do so regularly into the future. The UK as far as I can see have not agreed to this yet unless UK law applies across the EU without interference from Brussels and we should say no, cut off their money if you will unless the EU agree to UK rule. If we did refuse EU financial access to London on January 1st the EUROzone would be bust the next day and unable to borrow the trillions it needs for future spending plans. Nah the City is safe and in an article seemingly written in explanation just for you:-

    The Luftwaffe couldn't destroy the City and neither will Mr Barnier.


    https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...nier-luftwaffe

    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So about 1% of City of London employees have gone to the EU. That's not a win for the EU but UK companies managing out bad employees and sending their crud to places, perceived as boring Frankfurt or high tax and restrictive labour laws Paris for example, that no one wants to go and live.

    And as for passporting, the EU have begged the UK to extend equivalence until June 2022, deal or no deal, and will do so regularly into the future. The UK as far as I can see have not agreed to this yet unless UK law applies across the EU without interference from Brussels and we should say no, cut off their money if you will unless the EU agree to UK rule. If we did refuse EU financial access to London on January 1st the EUROzone would be bust the next day and unable to borrow the trillions it needs for future spending plans. Nah the City is safe and in an article seemingly written in explanation just for you:-

    The Luftwaffe couldn't destroy the City and neither will Mr Barnier.


    https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...nier-luftwaffe

    You're welcome.
    And you're back to WW2 references... how often do you have to do this to realise I don't care? We're both 2-3 generations removed from that crap. The only insult is that you think I care, to be honest.

    Nobody cares about how many of your corrupt bankers come to the EU. You can keep your criminals, thank you very much. Heck, I'd be happy for you to keep the assets and survive, too. But if you really want to ship those trillions of assets to us, who are we to complain?

    The EU hasn't "begged" you to extend equivalence. The EU has offered it to you so you can pretend you're relevant a little longer. Feel free to decline and then complain about how evil the EU is for making you decline. It seems to be the pattern in Brexiteer action. It's funny that you think you can fool anyone with that "strategy", I must admit.

    UK law will never apply within the EU. We will of course adhere to UK law when we do business in the UK. That, my friend, is called respectfully observing the sovereignity of your nation. By the way, we have always done that. It's not a new thing and nothing that needs a new agreement to. It's how countries operate and have operated since... oh, the 17th century at least?

    Nobody here cares about "access to London". It's the other way around, buddy. Those trillions have already moved to the EU and more will move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    It's just an attempt to discredit the forecast, nothing else. Just like he will decry any discrepancy from that prediction a proof that they don't know what they were doing and never knew. The principle mechanics - and intention - of predictions like this has been thoroughly explained to Dribbles long ago. To no avail, obviously, since understanding requires a willingness to actually listen.
    I'm aware. We're all aware. But it's fun to feed him, and there's a chance that if we don't fight back others will fall for what he's saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    And you're back to WW2 references... how often do you have to do this to realise I don't care? We're both 2-3 generations removed from that crap. The only insult is that you think I care, to be honest.

    Nobody cares about how many of your corrupt bankers come to the EU. You can keep your criminals, thank you very much. Heck, I'd be happy for you to keep the assets and survive, too. But if you really want to ship those trillions of assets to us, who are we to complain?

    The EU hasn't "begged" you to extend equivalence. The EU has offered it to you so you can pretend you're relevant a little longer. Feel free to decline and then complain about how evil the EU is for making you decline. It seems to be the pattern in Brexiteer action. It's funny that you think you can fool anyone with that "strategy", I must admit.

    UK law will never apply within the EU. We will of course adhere to UK law when we do business in the UK. That, my friend, is called respectfully observing the sovereignity of your nation. By the way, we have always done that. It's not a new thing and nothing that needs a new agreement to. It's how countries operate and have operated since... oh, the 17th century at least?

    Nobody here cares about "access to London". It's the other way around, buddy. Those trillions have already moved to the EU and more will move.
    I'm afraid you need to smell das kaffee.

    If the EU want access to trillions of euro from the City of London, UK then they will have no choice but to be ruled by UK law. When you go cap in hand to borrow money from your bank you comply with everything they ask for or you don't walk away with that loan. If the UK says to the EU jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes and we will grant you access to that finance, then that's what the EU will do.

    Quite simply in future the EU will be ruled by the UK, with no say in how those rules are formulated. /three cheers for brexit!

    Taking back control one might say, just as the UK populace ordered and brexit working as intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I'm afraid you need to smell das kaffee.

    If the EU want access to trillions of euro from the City of London, UK then they will have no choice but to be ruled by UK law. When you go cap in hand to borrow money from your bank you comply with everything they ask for or you don't walk away with that loan. If the UK says to the EU jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes and we will grant you access to that finance, then that's what the EU will do.

    Quite simply in future the EU will be ruled by the UK, with no say in how those rules are formulated. /three cheers for brexit!

    Taking back control one might say, just as the UK populace ordered and brexit working as intended.
    You post a lot of crap and very little that you link actually says what you say it says. Are you even from the UK?
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