View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26481
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Probably never. The British have accepted they are weird a long time ago. They will just about accept anything as the new "normal" and move on. Ultimately, it doesn't matter to them how they're fucked. In their heads, they're fucked either way, by anything really. Bankers, Politicians, immigrants and if it's not that, it'll be the Scots or UEFA. If there is two things the British have mastered it's a) not taking responsibility for anything and b) accepting any bad outcome as "the British Way" and convincing themselves that's how it's supposed to be and always has been.

    Watch it, you'll be surprised at how quickly they'll adopt to being poorer than they are now. The plucky British workforce gets more prideful about their hardships the lower you go. If Thatcher couldn't break them, I doubt this will.

    And it's time we stop pitying them for it. They chose their fate, they have to deal with the Remainers left in that country and ultimately, it's not our concern anymore. Fuck Brexiteers.

    Once this is over, we can start treating the UK like a third country and stop making decisions to help them.
    Well, the English (far more than the other brits) have the past three hundred years had one solid foreign policy goal. "Make sure Europe stays divided!"

    Post WW2 that has failed, hard.
    So it's not surprising they are flailing and don't know what to do with themselves.
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  2. #26482
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not the case at all. The UK is clearly saying to the EU "We are done here". And then as Merkel orders the French to capitulate and give up on their claim to British fish:- The EU panic as Macron turns desperate with plea to UK - 'You need us!

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nson-latest-vn

    Nope we don't need them, see ya. The EU should now also just walk away this continual begging is weak, embarrassing, desperate and pathetic.
    Is that what you got from what Macron said? Are you high or something? There was no panic, he was not desperate not did he plea whatsoever.

    The UK will loose more from a hard brexit, that fact is non negotiable. That was his message.


    I feel sorry for the intelligent brits that see what a shitshow a no deal brexit, and even a brexit will be. But I have to admit, that watching the not-so smart brits like you, realise that the UK is going down the hole of irrevelance, is going to be enjoyable.

    Next up, will you be ignored by Biden or will Trump turn you into the 51st state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Next up, will you be ignored by Biden or will Trump turn you into the 51st state?
    A lot of the Republican Party are also against a no deal Brexit / the GFA being broken. The conservative party has a strong connection with the Irish people, more so than with the UK probably. So the UK isn't going to be getting any favors from the USA anytime soon.

  4. #26484
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post

    Next up, will you be ignored by Biden or will Trump turn you into the 51st state?
    Ignore both Trump and Biden here, when it comes to a deal between UK and US on trade it is congress we should be looking at. Trump can bluster all he wants but neither the Republicans or the Democrats are going to play ball with a nation that's broken the GFA. Both sides want the Irish American vote and that's a big issue, especially also as the US sees itself as a kind of guarantor for the treaty as well.

  5. #26485
    Pelosi has already said there would be no trade deal with the UK if they broke the Withdraw agreement, which the UK has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Pelosi has already said there would be no trade deal with the UK if they broke the Withdraw agreement, which the UK has done.
    The Irish-American lobby in American politics is on a very bi-partisan level. The UK is going to have trouble with that regardless of who the speaker in the house is.

  7. #26487
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It IS remainers fault we are at no deal. They had the chance to accept Theresa May's Brexit in name only deal, remember BINO anyone?, it wasn't enough for them.

    They gambled the house on reversing the democratic brexit referendum and remaining in the EU. They failed and blew it, no deal is all on them.

    And people like me can't thank them enough.
    Dribbles in rare form today.

    Wasn't Mays thing voted down 3 times while Brexeteers had the majority in the commons?

  8. #26488
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Dribbles in rare form today.

    Wasn't Mays thing voted down 3 times while Brexeteers had the majority in the commons?
    Yeah, even May's Brexiteer chums in the ERG didn't want it, said that no brexit was better than that deal IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Dribbles in rare form today.

    Wasn't Mays thing voted down 3 times while Brexeteers had the majority in the commons?
    Theresa May was and still is one of the biggest remainers/troublemakers in Boris's government, she'll be sent to the Lords out of the way soon enough. Her cabinet was full of them too, there were enough of them on Labours opposition benches. The whole of parliament, unrepresentative of the people at the time, was full of remainers and all it would have taken to pass May's deal would have been some sensible cross party cooperation and she could have got her BINO through.

    But no a brexit in name only was not good enough for them, they wanted no brexit, humiliation for the brexiteers and to reverse the referendum result. Her sneaky government fell, the GE as a result by massive majority voted for Boris, the people spoke clearly for brexit once again, and here we are.

    Of course you'll never find a remainer now taking responsibility for their actions which has turned out to be the root cause of a no deal brexit. Most of them have skulked off sulking never to be seen again...

  10. #26490
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    If this is a mess come January 1st you know who will take the blame? It won't be Covid but extreme remainers like you.

    If your lot hadn't tried to subvert democracy and accepted the Brexit referendum result instead of trying to overturn it things could have been so so different. But oh no, pushing for a second fixed referendum with three options to split the leave vote, remember that?, among many many other examples are what drove the people and Boris to this point, no chance of a moderate exit and towards a glorious no deal.

    Luckily for me, albeit unknowingly you worked for me and what I and millions wanted all along. We are on the same side, it is as much down to you as I that compromise with the EU failed, so thank you.

    The difference between us is if it all goes tits up you will be the fall guys, not freedom loving brexiteers like me. If only you had listened...
    What a load of bollocks. A preferential vote (i.e. rank your favourites) would not have split the Leave vote. The reason you didn't want a second referendum was because the tide of public opinion had turned against Brexit and certainly against a Johnson-led Brexit for the few, as shown in the General Election where the majority of voters selected parties who backed a second referendum or scrapping Brexit altogether.

    You're right though, when it goes tits up it will be the majority of Britons who suffer with the consequences while the wealthy few who paid for it to happen will reap some rewards. Nice to see you admitting that you couldn't care less about Britain or its people as long as you get 30 pieces of silver for selling them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It IS remainers fault we are at no deal. They had the chance to accept Theresa May's Brexit in name only deal, remember BINO anyone?, it wasn't enough for them.

    They gambled the house on reversing the democratic brexit referendum and remaining in the EU. They failed and blew it, no deal is all on them.

    And people like me can't thank them enough.
    Bullshit, it's the fault of the minority of Conservatives who put themselves before party and country, and Prime Ministers who cared more for having the job than for doing it properly. If Cameron, May or Johnson had an ounce of integrity they would have started working with the other parliamentary parties to work out a Brexit strategy that worked for everyone in the country, not pandering to Mogg and his ERG cronies to fuck the British people over for personal profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Theresa May was and still is one of the biggest remainers/troublemakers in Boris's government, she'll be sent to the Lords out of the way soon enough. Her cabinet was full of them too, there were enough of them on Labours opposition benches. The whole of parliament, unrepresentative of the people at the time, was full of remainers and all it would have taken to pass May's deal would have been some sensible cross party cooperation and she could have got her BINO through.

    But no a brexit in name only was not good enough for them, they wanted no brexit, humiliation for the brexiteers and to reverse the referendum result. Her sneaky government fell, the GE as a result by massive majority voted for Boris, the people spoke clearly for brexit once again, and here we are.

    Of course you'll never find a remainer now taking responsibility for their actions which has turned out to be the root cause of a no deal brexit. Most of them have skulked off sulking never to be seen again...
    43% of the vote is not a massive majority. In fact it's a minority and dwarfed by the 51% who voted for parties that supported a second referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    What a load of bollocks. A preferential vote (i.e. rank your favourites) would not have split the Leave vote. The reason you didn't want a second referendum was because the tide of public opinion had turned against Brexit and certainly against a Johnson-led Brexit for the few, as shown in the General Election where the majority of voters selected parties who backed a second referendum or scrapping Brexit altogether.

    You're right though, when it goes tits up it will be the majority of Britons who suffer with the consequences while the wealthy few who paid for it to happen will reap some rewards. Nice to see you admitting that you couldn't care less about Britain or its people as long as you get 30 pieces of silver for selling them out.

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    Bullshit, it's the fault of the minority of Conservatives who put themselves before party and country, and Prime Ministers who cared more for having the job than for doing it properly. If Cameron, May or Johnson had an ounce of integrity they would have started working with the other parliamentary parties to work out a Brexit strategy that worked for everyone in the country, not pandering to Mogg and his ERG cronies to fuck the British people over for personal profit.

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    43% of the vote is not a massive majority. In fact it's a minority and dwarfed by the 51% who voted for parties that supported a second referendum.
    Yes it would, the talked about options at the time were - Remain, accept the deal, or crash out. The leave vote would have been split and remain would have claimed victory.

    In the end we held a brexit general election, you remainers got Boris as a reward for your connivances. Serves you right. Think yourselves lucky you didn't end up, as so nearly happened, with Jacob Rees-Mogg as our PM. Time for you to own the looming no deal and stop your wittering.

    That chain of events is how the history books will record the great remain fail.

  12. #26492
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yes it would, the talked about options at the time were - Remain, accept the deal, or crash out. The leave vote would have been split and remain would have claimed victory.
    Having ideas bandied around doesn't mean it would have been a 3-way, FPTP vote.

    In the end we held a brexit general election, you remainers got Boris as a reward for your connivances. Serves you right. Think yourselves lucky you didn't end up, as so nearly happened, with Jacob Rees-Mogg as our PM. Time for you to own the looming no deal and stop your wittering.

    That chain of events is how the history books will record the great remain fail.
    The history books will probably spend most of it's time laughing at the pitiable state the UK ends up in after this, the idiocy of our dysfunctional electoral system would be a footnote at best.

  13. #26493
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yes it would, the talked about options at the time were - Remain, accept the deal, or crash out. The leave vote would have been split and remain would have claimed victory.

    In the end we held a brexit general election, you remainers got Boris as a reward for your connivances. Serves you right. Think yourselves lucky you didn't end up, as so nearly happened, with Jacob Rees-Mogg as our PM. Time for you to own the looming no deal and stop your wittering.

    That chain of events is how the history books will record the great remain fail.
    We've told you before; it doesn't matter how much you repeat your juvenile views on the Brexit saga, it doesn't make them true. The history books will show this as a giant stitch up by an elite bankrolled by a Russian despot that wanted to weaken Europe. Ironically it's ended up making the remainder of the EU even more tight-knit.

    Two months until you have to take responsibility for the damage Brexit does. Tick fucking tock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yes it would, the talked about options at the time were - Remain, accept the deal, or crash out. The leave vote would have been split and remain would have claimed victory.

    In the end we held a brexit general election, you remainers got Boris as a reward for your connivances. Serves you right. Think yourselves lucky you didn't end up, as so nearly happened, with Jacob Rees-Mogg as our PM. Time for you to own the looming no deal and stop your wittering.

    That chain of events is how the history books will record the great remain fail.
    Hu, so you too agree that the vast majority of people didn't get what they wanted, that's odd coming from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    We've told you before; it doesn't matter how much you repeat your juvenile views on the Brexit saga, it doesn't make them true. The history books will show this as a giant stitch up by an elite bankrolled by a Russian despot that wanted to weaken Europe. Ironically it's ended up making the remainder of the EU even more tight-knit.

    Two months until you have to take responsibility for the damage Brexit does. Tick fucking tock.
    The EU are more united now? Lols your alternate reality makes me laugh.

    Charles-Henri Gallois, French leader of generation Frexit, would disagree with you. As he says in this video at 14.05 (though by skipping you miss the best brexiteer celebratory bits as the news from Boris telling Barnier to do one comes in live!)

    Or as German Sabine Bepplar-Spahl, Chair of the Freiblickinstitut who says beginning at 21.00 how Brexit is an inspiration for all of the many in Europe who want to see an end to the EU. Enjoy, I hope you learn something from the horses mouth so to speak, of our eurochums.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The EU are more united now? Lols your alternate reality makes me laugh.

    Charles-Henri Gallois, French leader of generation Frexit, would disagree with you. As he says in this video at 14.05 (though by skipping you miss the best brexiteer celebratory bits as the news from Boris telling Barnier to do one comes in live!)

    Or as German Sabine Bepplar-Spahl, Chair of the Freiblickinstitut who says beginning at 21.00 how Brexit is an inspiration for all of the many in Europe who want to see an end to the EU. Enjoy, I hope you learn something from the horses mouth so to speak, of our eurochums.

    [video=youtube;HHGNJCzJI9o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHGNJCzJI9o[video]


    Opinions of the EU in most member states have gone up over the last few years, not down, much to the dismay of people wanting things such as a Frexit, including in France.

    Even in the UK, at that.

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    Keep in mind that there is no official statement yet that there will be a "No Deal" Brexit or that the talks aren't continuing. Even the markets aren't taking the threat of a "no deal" brexit seriously at the moment.

    A few culprit politicians tried to throw up a smoke-screen earlier this week that there would be a "no deal" or that the talks stopped, but...

    In fact, the talks -are- continuing at the moment. No planned talks with the EU were cancelled, some were just moved to be done 'remotely' or 'virtually' due to Covid.

    Most experts don't remotely even believe that the government would be willing to enforce a "no deal" Brexit:
    - 1. The food logistics of the UK aren't even remotely prepared yet. (In the current state most food would be rotten or expired before it reaches the shelves of the supermarket).
    - 2. Airplanes would be grounded (because they can't pass over EU airspace).
    - 3. Medicine logistics for the UK aren't even remotely prepared yet. (In the current state there would be a severe lack of medical supplies for a long period of time).
    - 4. Export tarriffs would crush the UK economy, the main economy (service) is already suffering majorly because of Covid and is barely kept alive as is, further disruption might end up lethal.
    - 5. GFA isn't being respected. The US doesn't even want to touch the UK atm because of it (including both conservatives and democrats).

    Experts aren't saying that "No Deal" Brexit is impossible, but if it happens, they'd put that solely on the conservatives not being aware of the consequences - and ultimately the Brexiteers in the UK not surviving long into 2020 before their entire idea is seen as the biggest economical mistake in the history of mankind, maybe next to native americans selling their land and gold for trinkets.

  18. #26498
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post


    Opinions of the EU in most member states have gone up over the last few years, not down, much to the dismay of people wanting things such as a Frexit, including in France.

    Even in the UK, at that.
    Yeah, but Hitler said...you see where this is going. Seriously, stop humouring this guy. He can hide behind the whole, ‘but we voted schtick as much as he wants’, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that voting has become such an act of apathy in the U.K. Confidence in either parties is supremely low as is faith in any Government. For context, even during the Tory victory in December, YouGov polls had Government approval at around 25-30%. The majority of the country hates the direction it’s going in. Folk like him just enjoy the whole ‘yay I owned the libs’ nonsense.
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  19. #26499
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Most experts don't remotely even believe that the government would be willing to enforce a "no deal" Brexit:
    The EU would, that is what matters. The UK is a third country and as such is excluded from the single market by default, per definition of the single market between the EU member states. Whatever the UK "wants" is irrelevant with regards to the single market. They have no entitlement, no right, no say in what type of access they get to the single market beyond WTO rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    The EU would, that is what matters. The UK is a third country and as such is excluded from the single market by default, per definition of the single market between the EU member states. Whatever the UK "wants" is irrelevant with regards to the single market. They have no entitlement, no right, no say in what type of access they get to the single market beyond WTO rules.
    Well, the UK could just let the lorries in as they always have. Then they have to wait to get out. And every nation in the WTO would sue for the same type of treatment.
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