View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26521
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The best explanation I could see is:

    You need a special place for the customs-checking, and goods shouldn't be allowed to randomly that area. And they lack the personnel, which means that after some time (perhaps two days) the lorries will fill up the highway in Kent and thus that is part of the customs-checking queue area.

    However, as anyone should understand: that does not solve any problem.

    Lack of staff in a supermarket isn't solved by having a longer queue - unless it indirectly causes people to not use it. The only real solution is more staff.
    A queue is only useful to handle variations in demand.

    The second best is:
    They expect many truck drivers to not have papers in order, and thus they will pre-check that before entering this area.

    The benefit is that the pre-checkers need less training, the downside is that they will need to hire both pre-checkers and actual checkers - and there will be mistakes by the pre-checkers. Oh, and they still have the queue-problem.
    And those pre-checks require an electronic system to be in place, a system that currently doesn't exist and that the UK is miles behind on implementing last I heard.

    Meanwhile the EU's similar system is already finished.
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  2. #26522
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    so kent checks - dover checks - calais checks = rip fresh produce and JIT

    not to mention french union strikes lmao.

    the tories just doing as much as they can to cause civil unrest.
    Just wait until the medical radioactive marker lobby starts bribing migrants in the Calais migrant camp to start riots along the highway and the UK can't do MRI's anymore to discipline the UK into being a sensible toddler again.

  3. #26523
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Wow, Brexit really is doing a BRILLIANT job of getting rid of all that terrible EU red-tape, isn't it.

    Your precious Brexit is looking more stupid by the day, and the hoops you have to jump through each day to justify it are getting more and more hilarious. If it wasn't for the Brexit idiots breaking the fucking country, I'd be enjoying this.

    Kent having voted for Brexit being one of the first areas royally shafted by it does have a certain karmic quality.
    You say that as though Kent is an outlier in its vote for Brexit when the reality is the vast majority of counties did too.

    With Sir Keir's recent clarification and collective responsibility both the Labour (262 seats) and Tory party (317 seats) are officially pro brexit. That would be 579/650 seats in the UK parliament, or almost 90%, are now pro let's get Brexit done. Only a matter of time before the Lib Dems realise the error of their ways and convert too, if there are any of them left.

    You might not be enjoying this, the majority clearly are.
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  4. #26524
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    = rip fresh produce
    I hear good things about porridge.

  5. #26525
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You say that as though Kent is an outlier in its vote for Brexit when the reality is the vast majority of counties did too.

    With Sir Keir's recent clarification and collective responsibility both the Labour (262 seats) and Tory party (317 seats) are officially pro brexit. That would be 579/650 seats in the UK parliament, or almost 90%, are now pro let's get Brexit done. Only a matter of time before the Lib Dems realise the error of their ways and convert too, if there are any of them left.

    You might not be enjoying this, the majority clearly are.
    Are you still sitting there saying "we won, get over it"? Is that really all you have left. Fucking pathetic.

    Yes, you won. And now we are all seeing what your "win" looks like. So stop trying to be high and mighty about how you won and we lost, and start taking some fucking responsibility for the giant mess that has resulted.

    Talking of which, more details are coming out about your first trade "win" with Japan. Not got any comment about how it's basically what we would have had if we'd stayed in the EU, but worse? Yeh, that's what I thought.
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  6. #26526
    Imagine being that proud of being a failure...
    Not that failure is bad. If you learn from it, it can be quite positive.
    But being proud of failing and doubling down on it? Why? Sunken cost fallacy?

  7. #26527
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Are you still sitting there saying "we won, get over it"? Is that really all you have left. Fucking pathetic.

    Yes, you won. And now we are all seeing what your "win" looks like. So stop trying to be high and mighty about how you won and we lost, and start taking some fucking responsibility for the giant mess that has resulted.

    Talking of which, more details are coming out about your first trade "win" with Japan. Not got any comment about how it's basically what we would have had if we'd stayed in the EU, but worse? Yeh, that's what I thought.
    Japan again? OK then...

    In 60 years the EU has never managed to negotiate a trade deal with the largest economy on the planet : the United States. It has no trade deal with the second-largest economy: China.

    In that same 60 years the EU has only just managed to do a deal (still not ratified) with the world’s third-largest economy: Japan. The United Kingdom Government managed this is in just eight months since leaving the EU (in name only) on 01 February 2020.


    https://www.facts4eu.org/news/2020_s..._britain_soars

    That's EU failure for you right there and justification for Brexit on its own.

    I bet you a tenner to a charity of your choice that the UK ratifies its deal with Japan before the EU does. Have those troublesome Walloons given their Permission to the EU/Japan deal yet? Nissan, that company that closed its Barcelona plant to invest in Sunderland, would like to know.
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  8. #26528
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The best explanation I could see is:

    You need a special place for the customs-checking, and goods shouldn't be allowed to randomly that area. And they lack the personnel, which means that after some time (perhaps two days) the lorries will fill up the highway in Kent and thus that is part of the customs-checking queue area.

    However, as anyone should understand: that does not solve any problem.

    Lack of staff in a supermarket isn't solved by having a longer queue - unless it indirectly causes people to not use it. The only real solution is more staff.
    A queue is only useful to handle variations in demand.

    The second best is:
    They expect many truck drivers to not have papers in order, and thus they will pre-check that before entering this area.

    The benefit is that the pre-checkers need less training, the downside is that they will need to hire both pre-checkers and actual checkers - and there will be mistakes by the pre-checkers. Oh, and they still have the queue-problem.
    So, essentially Kent will be turned into the biggest duty free zone on the planet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It is a self certified traffic light system, the haulier will apply for a permit for a certain date and if there is space on that day may be given the green light to enter Kent.
    I've yet to meet a lorry driver that operates on "may be given the green light to enter Kent." They either know they can go where they need to, or they will drive another route. Any minute the lorry isn't moving is costing them money. Don't bother responding, I'm not posting this for your benefit, I'm posting this so everyone else sees the stupidity in your post.
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  9. #26529
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    So, essentially Kent will be turned into the biggest duty free zone on the planet?

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    I've yet to meet a lorry driver that operates on "may be given the green light to enter Kent." They either know they can go where they need to, or they will drive another route. Any minute the lorry isn't moving is costing them money. Don't bother responding, I'm not posting this for your benefit, I'm posting this so everyone else sees the stupidity in your post.
    Turning Kent into a giant duty free zone is actually the first good thing I've heard about brexit

    Saves me going to Spain for cheap beer and cigarettes at least.

  10. #26530
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    But what is the purpose of this? Nobody asked for that. It has nothing to do with the negotiations or the EU. I am genuinely puzzled as to what he thinks he can accomplish with that.
    Gove has suddenly realised that "Project Fear" is in fact a reasonable worst-case scenario with queues of 7000 trucks clogging up Kent, each one taking a few days to make their way to the continent largely due to 30-60% being sent back by the French for not having the correct paperwork. The plan is to tell the truck drives that they need to get their papers in order and apply for a pass otherwise they're not allowed to enter Kent.

  11. #26531
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Japan again? OK then...

    In 60 years the EU has never managed to negotiate a trade deal with the largest economy on the planet : the United States. It has no trade deal with the second-largest economy: China.

    In that same 60 years the EU has only just managed to do a deal (still not ratified) with the world’s third-largest economy: Japan. The United Kingdom Government managed this is in just eight months since leaving the EU (in name only) on 01 February 2020.


    https://www.facts4eu.org/news/2020_s..._britain_soars

    That's EU failure for you right there and justification for Brexit on its own.

    I bet you a tenner to a charity of your choice that the UK ratifies its deal with Japan before the EU does. Have those troublesome Walloons given their Permission to the EU/Japan deal yet? Nissan, that company that closed its Barcelona plant to invest in Sunderland, would like to know.
    Considering the UK-Japan deal only allows the UK to take the scraps left by the EU, how does that work if this EU treaty does no exist according to you?
    So the UK negotiated a deal that doesn't actually do anything?

    really impressive to negotiate nothing in record time. But then you had plenty of practice with Brexit
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  12. #26532
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Gove has suddenly realised that "Project Fear" is in fact a reasonable worst-case scenario with queues of 7000 trucks clogging up Kent, each one taking a few days to make their way to the continent largely due to 30-60% being sent back by the French for not having the correct paperwork. The plan is to tell the truck drives that they need to get their papers in order and apply for a pass otherwise they're not allowed to enter Kent.
    Yup and if you're delivering into kent you still need special permission to enter under this plan. Or hell passing through kent. Say from East Sussex to Essex or other areas of East Anglia.

  13. #26533
    @dribbles.

    I was pondering this last night, and the whole rank hyprocisy of your position suddenly crystalised for me.

    If the EU were forcing something on us that threatened peace in Ireland and the GFA agreement, would you be against it? If they introduced a law that caused our JIT businesses to be jeopardised, would you be against it? If they made a change that haemorrhaged investment from our country into the EU, woiuld you think that was a bad thing?

    Of course you would. You'd rail against the evil EU for doing any of those things, because they would be damaging our country. But the irony is that the EU wouldn't do anything of the sort, because they (generally) bend over backwards to avoid anything detrimental to any member state even if it's positive for the EU as a whole.

    But you're now supporting ALL of those things, and more, simply because they are being carried out as a result of your Brexit "win". You're so desparate to feel important, relevant, that you're prepared to support positions that make no sense to do so. To be in favour of things that patently damage our country to be able to thumb your nose at the EU.

    I've known instinctively that your position was illogical and sad. But it wasn't until now that it's coalesced into a proper understanding of WHY. And I actually pity you now, since I can see the extent you are having to intellectually contort to continue to support it. It has got to hurt on some level. I just hope that as this whole process develops you can snap out of this trap you've built in your mind. Good luck with this.
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  14. #26534
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Japan again? OK then...

    In 60 years the EU has never managed to negotiate a trade deal with the largest economy on the planet : the United States. It has no trade deal with the second-largest economy: China.

    In that same 60 years the EU has only just managed to do a deal (still not ratified) with the world’s third-largest economy: Japan. The United Kingdom Government managed this is in just eight months since leaving the EU (in name only) on 01 February 2020.


    https://www.facts4eu.org/news/2020_s..._britain_soars

    That's EU failure for you right there and justification for Brexit on its own.

    I bet you a tenner to a charity of your choice that the UK ratifies its deal with Japan before the EU does. Have those troublesome Walloons given their Permission to the EU/Japan deal yet? Nissan, that company that closed its Barcelona plant to invest in Sunderland, would like to know.
    In typical fashion, you've completely glossed over the fact the UK-Japan deal means we're basically bottom feeders being given the scraps in order to try and make a different point about how long the deal took to make, just so you could spin it positively.

    You remain a constant reminder of why Brexit supporters are complete jokes.

  15. #26535
    He also fails to acknowledge that the EU walked away from the FTA with the US due to the unfair conditions they wanted to apply. The US, at this point, must be considered a hostile and untrustworthy trade partner. A feat the UK is not too concerned about, apparently. Same with China, there are reasons why the EU doesn't commit itself to opening itself up to a hostile nation that cannot be trusted. Mostly the EU isn't desperate and they know there will be more opportunities.

    Oh, also, the usual factual correction, the second largest economy is that of the EU, not China. Not that the liar cares, but I thought it might be useful for other people to know he is a liar and will make up any shit if it helps him troll this forum with impunity from the decrepit mod team.
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