View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26521
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    And after just 3 years the UK/EU have nothing to complain about, this baby has only just begun...
    It hasn't begun. It's ending. Your whole source for entertainment is going to be confined to the UK soon. The EU is going through the motions, because the UK deserves that bit of loyalty, but come January 1st, you will be quite surprised at how sudden the absolute drop of interest in the UK is going to hit you. We'll talk if the UK wants to talk, but you'll be in the same position as Turkey has been for the past two decades. The EU can happily negotiate for 30 years, if you keep being silly for 30 years, you won't get any signature for 30 years. That's how it goes.

    It's up to you, really. But since your personal primary goal is to see as many people suffer in the UK as possible, I guess you made your choice already...
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  2. #26522
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    Nope not good enough eurochums, nice gesture but bend that knee some more...

    Constructive discussion with @MichelBarnier today. Noted his proposal to intensify work, as we have been asking. But the EU still needs to make a fundamental change in approach to the talks and make clear it has done so. We will stay in close touch.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/sta...33408947048449

    How embarrassing for the supposedly great EU reduced to this humiliation. Even I am beginning to feel sorry for the EU and wish the UK would play nicer...
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  3. #26523
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Nope not good enough eurochums, nice gesture but bend that knee some more...

    Constructive discussion with @MichelBarnier today. Noted his proposal to intensify work, as we have been asking. But the EU still needs to make a fundamental change in approach to the talks and make clear it has done so. We will stay in close touch.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/sta...33408947048449

    How embarrassing for the supposedly great EU reduced to this humiliation. Even I am beginning to feel sorry for the EU and wish the UK would play nicer...
    Its says nothing Dribs. And it comes from a British guy who basically demands. again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Its says nothing Dribs. And it comes from a British guy who basically demands. again.
    You think? Lord Frost of Allenton is the UK advisor not any old British guy. Here is a quite reasonable interpretation of what's going on...

    Michel Barnier tonight scrambled to salvage Brexit trade talks after the UK warned it is serious about walking away unless the EU shows more flexibility.The bloc's negotiator appeared to make significant concessions by saying he is ready for 'intensified talks' - and crucially that they can start thrashing out legal texts in the most difficult areas. The message came after Boris Johnson told Mr Barnier not to bother coming to London for discussions this week unless he was willing to give ground.

    However, Downing Street insisted this evening that the move did not go far enough, and the PM would still not allow formal negotiations to resume


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ive-talks.html

    And looking at Barnier's twitter feed today my fav comment from someone obviously in the EU goes along the lines of "Why are you allowing the UK to lead the EU on a merry dance as though we are a lame donkey?" I couldn't have said it better, as that is whats going on. You see it differently?
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  5. #26525
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    With the EU's track record on trade negotiations that's very understandable, magnanimous of you to admit their failings so publicly...

    And if this forum had existed 60 years ago and a topic started then, the Americans would be now discussing how trade talks today with the EU were STILL at a standstill after all that time :P

    Something for the Canadians and CETA to think about.

    And after just 3 years the UK/EU have nothing to complain about, this baby has only just begun...
    The EU and USA have not been negotiating a trade agreement for 60 years. You are misinformed. Or lying. One of the two.

  6. #26526
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Nope not good enough eurochums, nice gesture but bend that knee some more...

    Constructive discussion with @MichelBarnier today. Noted his proposal to intensify work, as we have been asking. But the EU still needs to make a fundamental change in approach to the talks and make clear it has done so. We will stay in close touch.

    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/sta...33408947048449

    How embarrassing for the supposedly great EU reduced to this humiliation. Even I am beginning to feel sorry for the EU and wish the UK would play nicer...
    Not sure what's embarassing about Frost making a tweet with demands. It's certainly not embarassing the EU. I mean, technically there is the concept of being embarassed on someone else's behalf... I guess this might be such a case where someone makes such a fool of himself that it's hard to watch as an outsider. But aside from that, I have to tell you that I'm quite indifferent to whatever Frost has to say. Same old, same old... nothing new, not very interesting.

    Feel sorry for the EU if you like, fact is: It's just a tweet. And you're getting REALLY desperate to spin this into some sort of success story. Tomorrow's news in Drib's world: "BoJo took yet another successful dump! How embarassing for the EU, BoJo still knows how to sit on the shitter! That's a sign that the EU is crumbling!"
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  7. #26527
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The EU and USA have not been negotiating a trade agreement for 60 years. You are misinformed. Or lying. One of the two.
    I can't seen any reason why he can't be both. And I have evidence to support my position.
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  8. #26528
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Part of me is very puzzled and genuinely curious what his motivation is.
    He's in love with you and wants your attention...

  9. #26529
    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    He's in love with you and wants your attention...
    Nah, it's not me. I'm just at times bored enough to engage with him. I'll never get that curiousity satisfied, so it's just idle thoughts at this point. But it would be funny to get the full picture of his motivations at some point. I'm still going for the long troll, to be honest.
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  10. #26530
    Frost is talking about

    https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/st...98557590081537

    I just spoke to @DavidGHFrost.

    As stated by President @vonderleyen on Friday, I confirmed that the EU remains available to intensify talks in London this week, on all subjects, and based on legal texts.

    We now wait for the UK’s reaction.
    The usual dribbles' delusions, nothing to see here.

  11. #26531
    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    The usual dribbles' delusions, nothing to see here.
    Well, one aspect is interesting. Barnier said the EU was waiting for the UK's reaction. We have seen that reaction, it is a demand for the EU to cave. This might actually be the overture to the goodbyes. The EU can't budge, the UK won't talk until the EU budges, this is pretty much it. I wonder how it must feel like as a remainer in the UK, do they actually still hope for some... well, not totally fucked up outcome? Some sort of not-quite-as-bad-as-it-could-be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Not sure what's embarassing about Frost making a tweet with demands. It's certainly not embarassing the EU. I mean, technically there is the concept of being embarassed on someone else's behalf... I guess this might be such a case where someone makes such a fool of himself that it's hard to watch as an outsider. But aside from that, I have to tell you that I'm quite indifferent to whatever Frost has to say. Same old, same old... nothing new, not very interesting.

    Feel sorry for the EU if you like, fact is: It's just a tweet. And you're getting REALLY desperate to spin this into some sort of success story. Tomorrow's news in Drib's world: "BoJo took yet another successful dump! How embarassing for the EU, BoJo still knows how to sit on the shitter! That's a sign that the EU is crumbling!"
    Actually it is embarrassing.. that the EU will bother continuing discussions at this point. There will be no deal unless we break the union, there is no value to continuing (other than not appearing to be the one that left but that value does not justify the expense at this point)

  13. #26533
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You think? Lord Frost of Allenton is the UK advisor not any old British guy.
    He's one of Boris' old uni pals. He did some work as a diplomat, but essentially his credentials are "old-school chum", let's not piss about here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Thank for you your clear and concise description of what is going on in the trade talks between the UK and EU. We don't get this kind of information from the US media.
    Slant put it very succinctly. Us Brits are demanding things that are counter to how the EU works, WE are the problem, not the EU. Always ignore Dribbles.

  15. #26535
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Actually it is embarrassing.. that the EU will bother continuing discussions at this point. There will be no deal unless we break the union, there is no value to continuing (other than not appearing to be the one that left but that value does not justify the expense at this point)
    The EU signed a treaty promising to negotiate, so that's what we will do.

  16. #26536
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    With the EU's track record on trade negotiations that's very understandable, magnanimous of you to admit their failings so publicly...

    And if this forum had existed 60 years ago and a topic started then, the Americans would be now discussing how trade talks today with the EU were STILL at a standstill after all that time :P

    Something for the Canadians and CETA to think about.

    And after just 3 years the UK/EU have nothing to complain about, this baby has only just begun...
    Believe it or not, but negotiations often end with no result. Compromises are not always achievable, as we're seeing with Brexit.

    Of course you can throw on the childish act, of trying to point fingers at someone and laugh. In the end it just confirms your ignorance.

  17. #26537
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Actually it is embarrassing.. that the EU will bother continuing discussions at this point. There will be no deal unless we break the union, there is no value to continuing (other than not appearing to be the one that left but that value does not justify the expense at this point)
    If you come right down to it there wasn't really any point in discussions from the beginning, the UK never adressed the paradox of wanting all 3 of leaving, GFA and unity of the Kingdom. Can only have 2 of those at the same time.

    UK never thought about if it's actually possible to leave after you connected that much. If you put rum in your last glass of cola you can't get it out either when your son wants the cola.

  18. #26538
    Good analogy. I think even BoJo might have understood that if you give him enough time to ponder the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The EU and USA have not been negotiating a trade agreement for 60 years. You are misinformed. Or lying. One of the two.
    You are right, apologies, since the days of Eisenhower, the marshall plan, the formation of the OEEC and the first early EEC mission to the US. Pleased to add a correction - nearer 70 years then.

    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Slant put it very succinctly. Us Brits are demanding things that are counter to how the EU works, WE are the problem, not the EU. Always ignore Dribbles.
    We are not the confused beast with many unelected heads who has just lost its right arm, when you are speaking to the decisive UK who have one united voice you know who the organ grinder is, who you are dealing with and their position, not the case with the EU.
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  20. #26540
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You are right, apologies, since the days of Eisenhower, the marshall plan, the formation of the OEEC and the first early EEC mission to the US. Pleased to add a correction - nearer 70 years then.



    We are not the confused beast with many unelected heads who has just lost its right arm, when you are speaking to the decisive UK who have one united voice you know who the organ grinder is, who you are dealing with and their position, not the case with the EU.
    You do really think the UK has the same weight than the UE in this negociation ?

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