View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26861
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yeah it's a shame the pandemic will take the shine off the massive benefits of the Great Brexit. Still won't stop successful companies from evacuating the EU for the investment treasure island that is the UK post Brexit...

    BMW moves engine production to Britain

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bm...-idUKKBN27Y2HP

    Looks like they think just in time won't be a problem wouldn't you say eurochums?
    As Germany moves to the future UK factories will be stuck with obsolete engines that will be banned in less than 10 years.

    Essentially BMW has basically given the Engine part of the factory a death sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    As Germany moves to the future UK factories will be stuck with obsolete engines that will be banned in less than 10 years.

    Essentially BMW has basically given the Engine part of the factory a death sentence.
    Obsolete technology like the BMW owned e-Mini built in Oxford?

    Next Great Brexit benefit revealed today, can you keep up with them eurochums?...

    UK military to get biggest spending boost in 30 years

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54988870

    Some of this spending will probably have to come from the overseas aid budget, but Brexit has allowed us to reduce that budget considerably by not now having to send continuing overseas financial aid to the EU. Every day we wake to another great brexit benefit announcement securing the UK's future with a level of defence spending not seen since our early days of EU membership.

    /Three cheers for brexit

  3. #26863
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Obsolete technology like the BMW owned e-Mini built in Oxford?

    Next Great Brexit benefit revealed today, can you keep up with them eurochums?...

    UK military to get biggest spending boost in 30 years

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54988870

    Some of this spending will probably have to come from the overseas aid budget, but Brexit has allowed us to reduce that budget considerably by not now having to send continuing overseas financial aid to the EU. Every day we wake to another great brexit benefit announcement securing the UK's future with a level of defence spending not seen since our early days of EU membership.

    /Three cheers for brexit
    Might be linked to https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54997372 ?

    Brexit: UK 'will be less safe without EU security deal' - police chief


    and in regards to the car industry

    https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/uk-car...o-deal-brexit/

    Foreign carmakers have warned that they will pull back from the UK in a no-deal Brexit. In June, Nissan said the viability of its Sunderland plant depended on tariffs remaining unchanged and Hildegard Müller, president of VDA, the German car association, hinted at withdrawal from the UK by German carmakers in the joint statement.

    Higher tariffs “would jeopardise closely linked value chains and possibly make them unprofitable”, he said. He pointed out that “our member companies have more than 100 production sites in the UK”.

    In the end it's quite sad that you need to bolster your military, to make up for the loss of Brexit. What an absolute shitshow.

  4. #26864
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Yeah it's a shame the pandemic will take the shine off the massive benefits of the Great Brexit. Still won't stop successful companies from evacuating the EU for the investment treasure island that is the UK post Brexit...

    BMW moves engine production to Britain

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bm...-idUKKBN27Y2HP

    Looks like they think just in time won't be a problem wouldn't you say eurochums?
    So about that £350m a week direct from our EU payments to the NHS, that will be kicking in correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Obsolete technology like the BMW owned e-Mini built in Oxford?

    Next Great Brexit benefit revealed today, can you keep up with them eurochums?...

    UK military to get biggest spending boost in 30 years

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54988870

    Some of this spending will probably have to come from the overseas aid budget, but Brexit has allowed us to reduce that budget considerably by not now having to send continuing overseas financial aid to the EU. Every day we wake to another great brexit benefit announcement securing the UK's future with a level of defence spending not seen since our early days of EU membership.

    /Three cheers for brexit
    I thought all the EU money was being given to the NHS, £350m a week if that bus is to be believed, and according to you Brexit was only built on facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    So about that £350m a week direct from our EU payments to the NHS, that will be kicking in correct?

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    I thought all the EU money was being given to the NHS, £350m a week if that bus is to be believed, and according to you Brexit was only built on facts...
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    NHS Spending in 2016 = £191.7bn
    NHS Spending in 2018 = £214.4bn.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    NHS Spending in 2016 = £191.7bn
    NHS Spending in 2018 = £214.4bn.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    What about how the government-financed healthcare expenditure went down as a percentage? From 79.4% in 2016 to 78% in 2018? And the amount they spent only rose from 152.2 billion to 166.7 billion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    NHS Spending in 2016 = £191.7bn
    NHS Spending in 2018 = £214.4bn.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    Why can't you read your own links, and do basic math? A year has 52 weeks, two years can't also have 52 weeks (it might be due to vast amounts of really bad whiskey but, after 2016 comes 2017, not 2018). Also you just mistakenly included non-government spending when talking about government financing of the NHS, right?

    2015: Government-financed healthcare expenditure accounted for 79.5% of total spending at £147.1 billion.
    2016: Government-financed healthcare expenditure accounted for 79.4% of total spending, £152.2 billion. <- brexit year obviously no increase due to brexit
    2017: Government-financed healthcare expenditure in 2017 accounted for 79% of total healthcare spending, at £155.6 billion. <- 1st year after brext, less increase (hey, wtf)
    2018: Government-financed healthcare expenditure was £166.7 billion in 2018, accounting for 78% of total healthcare spending.

    From 15 to 16, that's an increase of 5,1bn/52 = 98mio
    From 16 to 17, that's an increase of 3,4bn/52 = 65mio. (hey what happened??)
    From 17 to 18, that's an increase of 11.1bn/52 = 213mio
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  8. #26868
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Obsolete technology like the BMW owned e-Mini built in Oxford?

    Next Great Brexit benefit revealed today, can you keep up with them eurochums?...

    UK military to get biggest spending boost in 30 years

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54988870

    Some of this spending will probably have to come from the overseas aid budget, but Brexit has allowed us to reduce that budget considerably by not now having to send continuing overseas financial aid to the EU. Every day we wake to another great brexit benefit announcement securing the UK's future with a level of defence spending not seen since our early days of EU membership.

    /Three cheers for brexit
    Since you're suddenly so keen on BBC links, how about this one:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195

    Nissan warns that Britains biggest car plant "will not be sustainable" if there is a no-deal Brexit. Which would lead to 7,000 jobs in Sunderland vanishing. Still, they need us more than we need them, full speed ahead off the cliff, eh?

    Brexit collides with reality in just over a month. Hope you're wearing your seatbelt. Tick tock.
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  9. #26869
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    NHS Spending in 2016 = £191.7bn
    NHS Spending in 2018 = £214.4bn.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?
    We were still paying into the EU at that point though, the money for the NHS was coming from other parts of the budget. How do you not understand these most basic things about the UK?

    I'll break it down for you. The Brexit bus said we were sending £350m a week to the EU and instead we should give it to the NHS. This means that when January 1st comes around there will be a pile of money that was being sent to the EU that will now be put into the NHS. According to you the Brexit campaign only uses facts, so that pile of money will be worth £350m a week.

    However the issue is that amount of money was never sent to the EU. Even in the most basic of terms the EU payments from the UK were only £342m, so there's lie number 1.

    Secondly that figure didn't even get sent to the EU, with the rebate we've been getting since the 1980s the figure that actually leaves the country is closer to £248 a week. That's two blatant lies amounting to £5bn a year. Not a great start.

    Next up, and this is easier for people to ignore, there's the money that comes back to the country from the EU budget which, when you include money for private and underprivileged public sectors, amounts up to £7bn. Some of this is pledged to be given to the relevant areas (I believe the government pledged to ensure Wales does not make a net loss over Brexit but government pledges aren't worth the shit they're encrusted with.)

    So the Brexit bus said it could give £350m a week direct from EU savings to the NHS. However unless they're going to take money away from other sectors of the economy (completely destroying the point of the pledge) the pile of money would only be £136m.

    Then let's not forget the cost of Brexiting with one estimate saying the cost to the UK economy is already £130bn.

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    All this government has achieved is to show themselves up as complete liars with nothing but contempt for the UK as anything other than a slush fund to be drained into the pockets of themselves, their donors and their friends. Your opportunistic faux-patriotism becomes less and less credible as we learn of how the morally bankrupt Tories have been draining public funds under the guise of fighting the Covid pandemic to the detriment of the rest of the nation.

  10. #26870
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    NHS Spending in 2016 = £191.7bn
    NHS Spending in 2018 = £214.4bn.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    Yet again, as the devil reads the bible.

  11. #26871
    Schools in the UK have now received "guidance" from the Department for Education to stockpile canned food ...
    Strong and steady.
    https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ational-impact

    It's appalling. The way they are dumping responsibility on schools with a month notice ...
    Last edited by Demolitia; 2020-11-21 at 01:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Tbf, the EU could just tank the negotiations, let the british fishing industry die a slow death, and they'll drop their "WE WANT FREE TRADE BUT STAY THE FUCK AWAY!!1" mantra in a few months, if that.

    In the end, misplaced "national pride" like the british fishing industry, is better left outside the negotiations.
    I believe the intend is to slowly but surely show them, the UK government that we (The EU) are ready and prepared to face a no deal. The preparations have been made, it's not a bluff either but more a way to kill the entire argument that we need it as much as they do.

    Probably won't have any meaningful impact as most of them have their head far up their ass but hey. The irony when the EU they voted to leave cares more about the citizens of the UK than the actual UK government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You know I am always pleased to share brexit benefits with you and am more than happy to provide the information showing that this brexit promise has already more than been delivered.

    An increase of £22.7bn/52 = £436 million a week.

    Boris and his Tory brexit bus promise as good as his word with the £350,000,000.00 per week increase exceeded even before we were fully out! How amazing is that?

    I'm glad we have such a competent government in charge of the Brexit negotiations and the pandemic. Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    Imagine 50,000 people being alive because we had a competent government, like almost literally every social democratic country. Better still imagine the country not having systemically underfunded the NHS for 10 years.

    Also, imagine you not cherry-picking your statistics to disguise a criminal level of under-funding.

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    Won't be long now until the Sunlit Uplands Brexit Dividends collides with reality.

    Food industry fears Brexit ‘worst-case scenario’ is now the reality

    The government’s ‘worst-case scenario’ planning for Brexit border disruption next year is now set to become reality, warn food industry leaders, who fear certain food shortages may follow.

    The Cabinet Office’s ‘worst-case scenario’ planning document published in September forecast up to 40% of food trade between the UK and the EU could grind to a halt as unprepared lorries congest the ports following the end of the transition period.

    The EU supplies the UK with 26% of its food, according to Defra, meaning the disruption could leave a significant shortfall in the nation’s food supplies. For fresh fruit and vegetables, the UK is even more reliant on the continent, particularly during the winter season.

    Government officials and food industry representatives met this week to discuss the issue, with Dan McCartney, Defra’s head of food security and resilience, telling industry figures on Tuesday to “expect 40% flow rates”, according to one attendee. On Thursday, a group gathered again to discuss the “medium-term risk to UK border flows”, said another.

    “[Defra] wanted to run it past industry to see whether we agreed that’s a reasonable worst-case scenario,” said one industry source. “A lot of us are looking at it and thinking, that’s just what’s going to happen.”

    The quantities at stake

    The government’s ‘worst-case scenario’ predicted 40%-70% of trucks travelling to the EU may not be ready for new border controls, resulting in queues of up to 7,000 trucks on motorways across Kent.

    While the UK intends to delay implementing full border controls until July next year, Europeans have said they will enforce all checks from 1 January. The Cabinet Office said this could not only restrict exports but delay European trucks from returning to Europe to pick up new consignments, thereby disrupting both imports and exports “to a similar extent”.

    While rumours of a trade deal have amplified this week, many senior industry figures remain concerned food supplies are set to be tight in January regardless. “I can’t see any other possibility than food shortages,” said one industry executive, echoing Tesco’s chairman John Allan last month who warned there could be fresh food shortages for up to “a few months”.

    Despite regular meetings between Defra officials and food representatives, Shane Brennan, CEO of the Cold Chain Federation, believes “there is still a pretty high level of complacency” within government.

    “I don’t think they are really able to conceptualise exactly how the interruptions will play out in terms of the impact on consumers,” he said. “No one’s going to starve, there won’t be empty shelves. But there will be products missing and there will be inflationary pressure on prices.”

    A Defra spokesman said the government is supporting the food industry in its “preparations for a range of scenarios” and will continue to work closely with it “to ensure people across the country have the food and supplies they need”.

    This week the Department for Education advised schools to purchase long-life products as part of preparations for “possible changes to their food supply chain from 1 January 2021”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Imagine the chaos, as the infighting Labour party today tear themselves apart, if Corbyn's lot had got it...
    Yeah, imagine it, the NHS would have had the PPE we needed in stock the day the virus his our shores instead of being told we would have to wait until April for the money to buy it (by which time it was sold out globally as every other first world country had put their orders in). The first lockdown wouldn't have been delayed by two weeks resulting in an extra 10k deaths all because the government refused to listen to the science or any medical experts. The lockdown wouldn't have been ended early just because things looked fine in London despite the ripples still colliding elsewhere in the country.

    Absolute chaos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Yeah, imagine it, the NHS would have had the PPE we needed in stock the day the virus his our shores instead of being told we would have to wait until April for the money to buy it (by which time it was sold out globally as every other first world country had put their orders in). The first lockdown wouldn't have been delayed by two weeks resulting in an extra 10k deaths all because the government refused to listen to the science or any medical experts. The lockdown wouldn't have been ended early just because things looked fine in London despite the ripples still colliding elsewhere in the country.

    Absolute chaos...
    Well the NHS has been exposed as truly awful during this covid bug that's going around, the sooner it's privatised properly the better. I feel sorry for the government puppets that used to clap for it on their doorsteps, don't see it any more though do you. People know now how bad the NHS really is, no wonder the private healthcare industry is booming.

    But in better news looks like we are finally getting somewhere with brexit, I hope Barnier, like Boris, is as good as his word.

    EU threatens to pull out of Brexit talks if UK refuses to compromise

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...al-brexit-deal

    Maybe just 48 hours to go until free, fingers x and tick tock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well the NHS has been exposed as truly awful during this covid bug that's going around, the sooner it's privatised properly the better. I feel sorry for the government puppets that used to clap for it on their doorsteps, don't see it any more though do you. People know now how bad the NHS really is, no wonder the private healthcare industry is booming.

    But in better news looks like we are finally getting somewhere with brexit, I hope Barnier, like Boris, is as good as his word.

    EU threatens to pull out of Brexit talks if UK refuses to compromise

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...al-brexit-deal

    Maybe just 48 hours to go until free, fingers x and tick tock...
    The NHS is in the position it is in right now due to a decade of the Tories cutting its budget year after year and supply contracts being given to friends and family of the cabinet, regardless of actual ability to supply.

    Have fun paying 5 grand up front for a broken arm. Or just move to America, it's clear you want to live somewhere like the USA anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well the NHS has been exposed as truly awful during this covid bug that's going around, the sooner it's privatised properly the better.
    Fuck right off with this, little troll boy.

    Boris, is as good as his word
    Stop making the trolling so obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well the NHS has been exposed as truly awful during this covid bug that's going around, the sooner it's privatised properly the better. I feel sorry for the government puppets that used to clap for it on their doorsteps, don't see it any more though do you. People know now how bad the NHS really is, no wonder the private healthcare industry is booming.

    But in better news looks like we are finally getting somewhere with brexit, I hope Barnier, like Boris, is as good as his word.

    EU threatens to pull out of Brexit talks if UK refuses to compromise

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...al-brexit-deal

    Maybe just 48 hours to go until free, fingers x and tick tock...
    Brexit and reality to collide in 5 weeks time. Nowhere to hide once that happens. Assuming Boris doesn't sell you out before then. Let's face it, if you trust Boris you pretty much deserve everything that happens to you, given his track record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Brexit and reality to collide in 5 weeks time. Nowhere to hide once that happens. Assuming Boris doesn't sell you out before then. Let's face it, if you trust Boris you pretty much deserve everything that happens to you, given his track record.
    They have plenty of places to hide. It will always be someone else's fault. The sad thing is that so many others will get what people like the person you quoted deserve.
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