View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #26961
    The UK has now published its negotiating position and it looks like Johnson is already warning the UK will walk away in June if progress is not fast enough. Let's see how that goes.

  2. #26962
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    If you hand your notice in at a job, but you are still sat at the desk working, you haven't left yet. You are going to leave, no question, but you haven't left yet.

    If this concept is too complicated for you to wrap your head around, it's little wonder you think Brexit is a great idea.

    Shall I add emphasis for the hard of thinking?
    We are not going to leave, we have left. Don't believe me, don't believe any one person, doubt you'll believe the government. But just in case you are not hard of seeing as well as hard of hearing, look at your passport and compare it to the new blue ones being issued. Can you see two words missing from the front cover? Wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because the government, majority of people, but not you, accept we have left. Perhaps you never will...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    The UK has now published its negotiating position and it looks like Johnson is already warning the UK will walk away in June if progress is not fast enough. Let's see how that goes.
    Now that everyone accepts we have left all that remains is the question of if we do a trade deal with the EU or not. As Boris said today the UK offers the EU no concessions, take it or leave it, fine by us. He also went further such that unless the EU show sufficient progress by June then it is too late, the WA + PD ripped up and all talks are off.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-deal-EU.html

    Tick Tock...

  3. #26963
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We are not going to leave, we have left. Don't believe me, don't believe any one person, doubt you'll believe the government. But just in case you are not hard of seeing as well as hard of hearing, look at your passport and compare it to the new blue ones being issued. Can you see two words missing from the front cover? Wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because the government, majority of people, but not you, accept we have left. Perhaps you never will...



    Now that everyone accepts we have left all that remains is the question of if we do a trade deal with the EU or not. As Boris said today the UK offers the EU no concessions, take it or leave it, fine by us. He also went further such that unless the EU show sufficient progress by June then it is too late, the WA + PD ripped up and all talks are off.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-deal-EU.html

    Tick Tock...
    Considering I can still travel and trade with the UK as any other EU country I'm going with 'no, you haven't left'. You have announced your leaving for realz, but you haven't left until 2021.

    And you really aren't paying attention if you think the EU gives 2 shits about your threats to walk away. The EU is ready for a no-deal.

    ps.
    What is your opinion on a return of the NRA bombings if Boris tears up the WA and in doing so violates the Good Friday agreement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Considering I can still travel and trade with the UK as any other EU country I'm going with 'no, you haven't left'. You have announced your leaving for realz, but you haven't left until 2021.

    And you really aren't paying attention if you think the EU gives 2 shits about your threats to walk away. The EU is ready for a no-deal.

    ps.
    What is your opinion on a return of the NRA bombings if Boris tears up the WA and in doing so violates the Good Friday agreement?
    My guess is it is also the EUs fault for not giving in to what the UK demands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    And you really aren't paying attention if you think the EU gives 2 shits about your threats to walk away. The EU is ready for a no-deal.
    That's great then, everyone is happy and both sides are ready for that glorious no deal. Group hug in celebration? When, after the no deal, Britain booms and shines like a light to the still imprisoned EU27 and they all want some freedom and begin demanding to leave, what happens to the EU then?

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    What is your opinion on a return of the NRA bombings if Boris tears up the WA and in doing so violates the Good Friday agreement?
    The UK won't break the GFA and will not impose a border across the middle of Ireland. The EU will break the GFA by insisting Ireland puts one up.

    Once again the EU will be seen globally to be the bad guys and deal breakers acting against the wishes and interests of their citizens.

  6. #26966
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    That's great then, everyone is happy and both sides are ready for that glorious no deal. Group hug in celebration? When, after the no deal, Britain booms and shines like a light to the still imprisoned EU27 and they all want some freedom and begin demanding to leave, what happens to the EU then?



    The UK won't break the GFA and will not impose a border across the middle of Ireland. The EU will break the GFA by insisting Ireland puts one up.

    Once again the EU will be seen globally to be the bad guys and deal breakers acting against the wishes and interests of their citizens.
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  7. #26967
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    That's great then, everyone is happy and both sides are ready for that glorious no deal. Group hug in celebration? When, after the no deal, Britain booms and shines like a light to the still imprisoned EU27 and they all want some freedom and begin demanding to leave, what happens to the EU then?



    The UK won't break the GFA and will not impose a border across the middle of Ireland. The EU will break the GFA by insisting Ireland puts one up.

    Once again the EU will be seen globally to be the bad guys and deal breakers acting against the wishes and interests of their citizens.
    yeah I'm sure rowdy Irishmen will blame the EU and not the UK rofl.
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    The Withdrawal Agreement is now a binding ratified international treaty between the UK and the EU. It is a separate thing from whether any trade deal gets signed.

    Anyone who thinks the EU doesn't have a range of options available to it that are none too pleasant to the UK to apply pressure, if the UK decides to breach it, is in for a shock.

  9. #26969
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    That's great then, everyone is happy and both sides are ready for that glorious no deal. Group hug in celebration? When, after the no deal, Britain booms and shines like a light to the still imprisoned EU27 and they all want some freedom and begin demanding to leave, what happens to the EU then?



    The UK won't break the GFA and will not impose a border across the middle of Ireland. The EU will break the GFA by insisting Ireland puts one up.

    Once again the EU will be seen globally to be the bad guys and deal breakers acting against the wishes and interests of their citizens.
    Well it's pretty clear most people in the EU think you and people like you are children throwing tantrums because they wouldn't let you eat a gallon of their ice cream and diarrhea all over their couch. And they definitely don't care for you now that you've eaten a gallon of your own ice cream and are caked in your own shit blaming them for it. And they'd be right because you and your ilk are being whiney unreasonable children. You want to have your cake and eat it too and get mad when others take issue with that and quite honestly the EU has been far too kind to you given your government's massive incompetence in no small part driven by the dumb and unrealistic expectations of people like yourself.

    And I can tell you most Americans generally also think you're morons and the ones that don't are usually pretty stupid and barely understand America politics let alone international politics. Ya'll took negotiations that normally takes most of a decade, tried to rush it through because of a dumb ass referendum that if it were held now would probably give a different result because enough people died who never were going to live through the consequences of their vote, and didn't understand that even you shitheads couldn't agree what kind of brexit you wanted. And despite the EU basically playing softball you whined and shrieked that your stupidity and incompetence was somehow their fault.

    Britain managed to out stupid Trump with Brexit and Boris Johnson. And that's impressive because Trump is god damn fucking stupid beyond comprehension almost.
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  10. #26970
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Considering I can still travel and trade with the UK as any other EU country I'm going with 'no, you haven't left'. You have announced your leaving for realz, but you haven't left until 2021.

    And you really aren't paying attention if you think the EU gives 2 shits about your threats to walk away. The EU is ready for a no-deal.

    ps.
    What is your opinion on a return of the NRA bombings if Boris tears up the WA and in doing so violates the Good Friday agreement?
    Well the EU would beg to differ on that one... but what they know, hey?

    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en

    Of course the EU care if the UK walks away - what an utterly ridiculous statement.

    I honestly think that the NRA will have better things to do you know what with lobbying against gun control and everything . The UK is not going to go back on the Withdrawal Agreement however I am curious as to how you think the Good Friday Agreement would be violated.

  11. #26971
    @dribbles
    You can't possibly believe that the UK would be fine with a no-trade deal.

    That position is so stupid that I... that can't be.
    Brexit with a trade deal would be already bad enough for you, but really one without a deal is devastating. Have fun being a 3rd world country, I guess?

  12. #26972
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    @dribbles
    You can't possibly believe that the UK would be fine with a no-trade deal.

    That position is so stupid that I... that can't be.
    Brexit with a trade deal would be already bad enough for you, but really one without a deal is devastating. Have fun being a 3rd world country, I guess?
    The UK will be more than fine if it ends up with an Australian style trade relationship with the EU. Are they a 3rd world country?

    No deal of course will be devastating for the EU just look how their services will be affected if they jump off that cliff in December without the UK parachute.
    "
    Latest EU figures reveal UK is EU27's top export market for services, bigger than USA.
    UK is bigger for EU27 than China, Singapore, Japan, Russia, Canada, Brazil & India combined."


    https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_feb_uk_top_customer

    It is the EU who risks turning into a 3rd world continent because of barmy Barnier.

  13. #26973
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Well the EU would beg to differ on that one... but what they know, hey?

    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en

    Of course the EU care if the UK walks away - what an utterly ridiculous statement.

    I honestly think that the NRA will have better things to do you know what with lobbying against gun control and everything . The UK is not going to go back on the Withdrawal Agreement however I am curious as to how you think the Good Friday Agreement would be violated.
    One might question whether the EU believes Johnson will even try in good faith to negotiate. Today the UK published its position which is as expected widely clashing with the eu's position, and then attached a 3-4 months ultimatum for sufficient progress (whatever the fuck that means in practice) to be made on data and financial services, which are by no means trivial topics.
    Does the EU care? Sure, but signals from the the uk or not really constructive so far

  14. #26974
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Of course the EU care if the UK walks away - what an utterly ridiculous statement.
    For somebody who is always so ready to nitpick other people, you've been a bit careless there. He said that the EU don't care about the UK threats to walk away. Not that the EU wouldn't care about the UK walking away. The former is childish posturing for the Brexit masses. The latter will have negative ramifications for both parties. Moreso for the UK, of course, but the EU wouldn't come out unscathed either.

    If you're going to accuse someone of making a ridiculous statement, maybe make sure they actually said what you think they did first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    One might question whether the EU believes Johnson will even try in good faith to negotiate. Today the UK published its position which is as expected widely clashing with the eu's position, and then attached a 3-4 months ultimatum for sufficient progress (whatever the fuck that means in practice) to be made on data and financial services, which are by no means trivial topics.
    Does the EU care? Sure, but signals from the the uk or not really constructive so far
    Might they?? I would hope that unlike this thread that the EU has a more reliable source than twitter.

  16. #26976
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Might they?? I would hope that unlike this thread that the EU has a more reliable source than twitter.
    It was a direct quote from "the government" in the guardian. Granted i did not double check where they got this, but I assume they don't invent quote. Might have been out of context but i doubt it.
    Anyway ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-talks-in-june

  17. #26977
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post

    Of course the EU care if the UK walks away - what an utterly ridiculous statement.
    They care that:

    a) their populations who would prefer a tough line on the UK vote for them and

    b) they care about not making membership of the EU pointless by giving all the benefits and none of the disadvantages to countries that leave.

    The UK has no leverage at all. Being overly diplomatic with the UK could cost an EU politician their job or cause the break-up of the institution. Brexiteers such as Pann and Dribbles are simply deluding themselves, and I mean Tolkien-level delusions.

    The Brexiteers seem quite unable to grasp the simple truth that as they are not motivated by economics, neither is the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusipia View Post
    They care that:

    a) their populations who would prefer a tough line on the UK vote for them and

    b) they care about not making membership of the EU pointless by giving all the benefits and none of the disadvantages to countries that leave.

    The UK has no leverage at all. Being overly diplomatic with the UK could cost an EU politician their job or cause the break-up of the institution. Brexiteers such as Pann and Dribbles are simply deluding themselves, and I mean Tolkien-level delusions.

    The Brexiteers seem quite unable to grasp the simple truth that as they are not motivated by economics, neither is the EU.
    Pann is not a brexiteer. He is just doing the fact checking around here and keeping us on our toes.

  19. #26979
    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    It was a direct quote from "the government" in the guardian. Granted i did not double check where they got this, but I assume they don't invent quote. Might have been out of context but i doubt it.
    Anyway ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-talks-in-june
    Oh, why didn't you say that it was in The Guardian? If it's in The Guardian then it must be true!?! But I do not see any mention of bad faith in that article.

    It is no secret that Johnson has said that he will walk away if a FTA cannot be negotiated - I don't believe this to be an idle threat. However no-one has even sat in a room together as of yet and both sides are puffing their chests out, rattling their sabres and playing politics. Maybe just wait see what happens once actual negotiations start?

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    Oh and shouldn't the burner be busy yelling at Yorkshire Tea's twitter account?
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    More of the same tough talk and no substance from the british side to anyone's surprise, i do find the threat that they'll just leave the negotiation table if the EU won't budge . Standing on the ledge and threatening to jump, hardly the best starting position in the talks but again this was to be expected.

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