View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #27101
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If anything I would say that Coronavirus will result in an extension to the transition period.
    After all his talk if Boris voluntarily extends the transition he is publicly admitting defeat and he doesn't look like the type to do that.

    Plus again, a No Deal Brexit has always been the goal for Boris. Not extending and failing to reach a treaty by the end of 2020 has been the goal since his government failed to push through a strait No Deal in parliament before the elections.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  2. #27102
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    After all his talk if Boris voluntarily extends the transition he is publicly admitting defeat and he doesn't look like the type to do that.

    Plus again, a No Deal Brexit has always been the goal for Boris. Not extending and failing to reach a treaty by the end of 2020 has been the goal since his government failed to push through a strait No Deal in parliament before the elections.
    They might not have a choice. The current timetable is challenging and both sides would welcome an extension, although it would be politically difficult if not impossible for Johnson to agree to one, however if Coronavirus plays out as some are predicting then (hopefully the human cost will be small) it is going to be economically ruinous - perhaps on a par with the global financial crisis - and neither the UK nor the EU have the capacity to deal with the implementation of Brexit whilst dealing with the fallout from Coronavirus

    Your second point is once again nonsense.

  3. #27103
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    They might not have a choice. The current timetable is challenging and both sides would welcome an extension, although it would be politically difficult if not impossible for Johnson to agree to one, however if Coronavirus plays out as some are predicting then (hopefully the human cost will be small) it is going to be economically ruinous - perhaps on a par with the global financial crisis - and neither the UK nor the EU have the capacity to deal with the implementation of Brexit whilst dealing with the fallout from Coronavirus

    Your second point is once again nonsense.
    The EU absolutely has the capacity to deal with Brexit. But hey, keep making shit up. All we do is flick a switch and the UK is excluded from everything. The mechanics are in place. As always, we are happy to oblige to the idiotic timetable Johnsson suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    That could work; Brexit supporters are stupid enough to believe that a virus whose impact will be limited to this year would have an ongoing impact into next year. At least you're owning the whole "lie so that people don't realise that Brexit is stupid and damaging" thing though.

    Are you giving up on even the possibility that Brexit won't be shit then? This post certainly seems to suggest it. Nice to see some sense starting to penetrate that brain.
    A vaccine is not expected before next year. And as scientists and medical people point out, flus tend to subside over the summer only to return more viciously in fall. Prepare to have a hard wave of corona hit during fall, without a vaccine in sight. Remember, by then the virus had half a year to possibly mutate further. This isn't going to be over soon... not with these infection rates.

    Stay clean, guys.
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  4. #27104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If anything I would say that Coronavirus will result in an extension to the transition period.
    If anything Coronavirus makes the case for bringing the transition end date forward in order to keep UK people safe. The EU and its Schengen arrangements pose a clear and present danger to all European citizens, and even though we are now out, that still includes a threat to the UK. Classing the whole EU as a category 1 area, as we do Iran and Italy, can't come soon enough until they impose effective border controls between their nations. Allowing infected EU people into the UK should be stopped with immediate effect until and unless they provide medical certification that they are corona free.

    Free movement to lower needless deaths, as brexiteers have been saying for years, should end now. If only remainers hadn't delayed our EU departure until January of this year...

  5. #27105
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    If anything Coronavirus makes the case for bringing the transition end date forward in order to keep UK people safe.
    Same should apply to you then, full medical certification for UK people entering the EU.
    Not that it would matter for a thickheaded brexiteer like yourself cause you won't set a single foot off of UK soil ever but there are plenty of UK people that still do that everyday.

    Honestly stop fishing for any and every excuse to fully close your borders off from anything EU related, it makes you look pathetic and small and a sad individual.
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  6. #27106
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    If anything Coronavirus makes the case for bringing the transition end date forward in order to keep UK people safe.
    There is no freedom of movement between China, the USA, Japan, South Korea, Iran and the EU, and that didn't stop it spreading. Stop talking bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    The EU absolutely has the capacity to deal with Brexit. But hey, keep making shit up. All we do is flick a switch and the UK is excluded from everything. The mechanics are in place. As always, we are happy to oblige to the idiotic timetable Johnsson suggested.
    When did you get hired by the EU Commission ?

    Anyway, yeah the EU can handle Brexit, at least in the short term. There'll need to be more money to make up for the budget shortfall and all that, and it'll have lost a major defence partner, but the EU will soldier on.

    Long-term though it's an early nail in the coffin, because when Salvini gets back into power he can point to the UK doing well outside the EU*, and you'll probably start to see the dominoes fall pretty quickly at that point.

    *Before you raise any objections, I'm talking politics here. If you think the UK will do badly, fine, whatever... all Salvini needs though is the perception that the UK is doing well for his purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    There is no freedom of movement between China, the USA, Japan, South Korea, Iran and the EU, and that didn't stop it spreading. Stop talking bullshit.
    Whilst it's probably too late, there's still a difference between "no visa requirements" and "visa requirements", and to say the two are the same WRT pandemics is... silly.
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  8. #27108
    Quote Originally Posted by Teleros View Post
    When did you get hired by the EU Commission ?

    Anyway, yeah the EU can handle Brexit, at least in the short term. There'll need to be more money to make up for the budget shortfall and all that, and it'll have lost a major defence partner, but the EU will soldier on.

    Long-term though it's an early nail in the coffin, because when Salvini gets back into power he can point to the UK doing well outside the EU*, and you'll probably start to see the dominoes fall pretty quickly at that point.

    *Before you raise any objections, I'm talking politics here. If you think the UK will do badly, fine, whatever... all Salvini needs though is the perception that the UK is doing well for his purposes.


    Whilst it's probably too late, there's still a difference between "no visa requirements" and "visa requirements", and to say the two are the same WRT pandemics is... silly.
    I would be careful about betting Salvini managing (or even wanting) to really get out of the EU. While the UK has always felt different and isolated on its islands, Italians are a bit more keenly aware that they have EU and EFTA neighbours. When they see the shit show that is the irish border, I don't think they will be too motivated to look at solutions for their french, swiss, austrian and slovene borders. Not to mention the clusterfuck that will be the adriatic, the Holy See and San Marino.
    Plus Italy isn't really the UK and shit will spiral down fast for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluFF View Post
    Same should apply to you then, full medical certification for UK people entering the EU.
    Not that it would matter for a thickheaded brexiteer like yourself cause you won't set a single foot off of UK soil ever but there are plenty of UK people that still do that everyday.

    Honestly stop fishing for any and every excuse to fully close your borders off from anything EU related, it makes you look pathetic and small and a sad individual.
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    Well done to Trump for suspending all flights from the EU today for a month and keeping Americans safe from the infected.

    We in the UK should already have done the same, and would have if not for remainers keeping us in the godforsaken organisation, days ago. Hopefully my Easter trip to Florida and Disney World is still on.

  10. #27110
    Well done to Trump for suspending all flights from the EU today for a month and keeping Americans safe from the infected.

    We in the UK should already have done the same, and would have if not for remainers keeping us in the godforsaken organisation, days ago. Hopefully my Easter trip to Florida and Disney World is still on.
    It is almost like the guy you voted for isn't up to the task, and is a weak, spineless and indecisive.

  11. #27111
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well done to Trump for suspending all flights from the EU today for a month and keeping Americans safe from the infected.

    We in the UK should already have done the same, and would have if not for remainers keeping us in the godforsaken organisation, days ago. Hopefully my Easter trip to Florida and Disney World is still on.
    Right, hate to tell you but America is already very infected. Their healthcare and social security net is just so shit that people don't go in to report it.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  12. #27112
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well done to Trump for suspending all flights from the EU today for a month and keeping Americans safe from the infected.
    For heaven's sake, this is not a zombie apocalypse.

    The virus will continue to spread through North America and there is absolutely nothing Trump or anyone else can do about it. All that this arrogant, unilateral action will achieve is to worsen further the economic cost of the crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We in the UK should already have done the same, and would have if not for remainers keeping us in the godforsaken organisation, days ago.
    I'm not sure what remainers have to do with it on account of the fact that the government are all leavers. Actually, credit to them, they are taking a damn sight more sensible approach than others and giving experts a prominent platform, accepting that the virus will progress through the population and that the goal should be to delay it’s progress rather than give false hope that it can be halted.

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Hopefully my Easter trip to Florida and Disney World is still on.
    Even after all these years, there are still times when I'm genuinely not sure if you are a troll or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    For heaven's sake, this is not a zombie apocalypse.

    The virus will continue to spread through North America and there is absolutely nothing Trump or anyone else can do about it. All that this arrogant, unilateral action will achieve is to worsen further the economic cost of the crisis.



    I'm not sure what remainers have to do with it on account of the fact that the government are all leavers. Actually, credit to them, they are taking a damn sight more sensible approach than others and giving experts a prominent platform, accepting that the virus will progress through the population and that the goal should be to delay it’s progress rather than give false hope that it can be halted.



    Even after all these years, there are still times when I'm genuinely not sure if you are a troll or not.
    Remainers like Theresa May in collusion with the EU kept us in far too long along with a minority of others, against the will of the people dreaming of some glorious EU superstate. If we had Brexited a couple of years ago as the people democratically instructed, our borders would be far more robust than they are as of today. We could more easily have mirrored what Trump did yesterday for the US. Even now the EU infected can waltz through the Channel Tunnel with minimal intervention risking the health of British people. It should be closed with immediate effect for uncertified free of Corona EU people.

    Alternatively the EU could have had some common sense a few weeks back to slow the spread and addressed the issue of containment by suspending Schengen. Too much to expect they have their citizens best interests at heart though isn't it?

    Still it is nice to see the US treating the UK as an independent nation, now we have left, not suffering the flight restrictions caused by the EU stupidity that will be its downfall.

    Even the blindest of blind remainers should see that.

  14. #27114
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Remainers like Theresa May in collusion with the EU kept us in far too long along with a minority of others, against the will of the people dreaming of some glorious EU superstate. If we had Brexited a couple of years ago as the people democratically instructed, our borders would be far more robust than they are as of today. We could more easily have mirrored what Trump did yesterday for the US. Even now the EU infected can waltz through the Channel Tunnel with minimal intervention risking the health of British people. It should be closed with immediate effect for uncertified free of Corona EU people.

    Alternatively the EU could have had some common sense a few weeks back to slow the spread and addressed the issue of containment by suspending Schengen. Too much to expect they have their citizens best interests at heart though isn't it?

    Still it is nice to see the US treating the UK as an independent nation, now we have left, not suffering the flight restrictions caused by the EU stupidity that will be its downfall.

    Even the blindest of blind remainers should see that.
    Many memberstates have reintroduced border controls during the refugee crisis to curb human trafficking, several member states have introduced border controls because of coronavirus. What makes you think suspending schengen would make it easier or harder? The UK is not part of schengen and handles the coronavirus as poorly as anybody else.
    What is your point?

  15. #27115
    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    Many memberstates have reintroduced border controls during the refugee crisis to curb human trafficking, several member states have introduced border controls because of coronavirus. What makes you think suspending schengen would make it easier or harder? The UK is not part of schengen and handles the coronavirus as poorly as anybody else.
    What is your point?
    You can't expect Dribbles to know that countries can already re-instate border control whenever they want for emergencies, like a viral epidemic. /s

    He has to blame the EU. Despite constantly insisting that the UK has already left.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Remainers like Theresa May in collusion with the EU kept us in far too long along with a minority of others, against the will of the people dreaming of some glorious EU superstate. If we had Brexited a couple of years ago as the people democratically instructed, our borders would be far more robust than they are as of today. We could more easily have mirrored what Trump did yesterday for the US. Even now the EU infected can waltz through the Channel Tunnel with minimal intervention risking the health of British people. It should be closed with immediate effect for uncertified free of Corona EU people.

    Alternatively the EU could have had some common sense a few weeks back to slow the spread and addressed the issue of containment by suspending Schengen. Too much to expect they have their citizens best interests at heart though isn't it?

    Still it is nice to see the US treating the UK as an independent nation, now we have left, not suffering the flight restrictions caused by the EU stupidity that will be its downfall.

    Even the blindest of blind remainers should see that.
    Yeah, the border control between China, South Korea, Japan, and the EU really stopped the spread, didn't it?

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    Next week's negotiation's meetings have been postponed due to COVID-19.

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  18. #27118
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Yeah, the border control between China, South Korea, Japan, and the EU really stopped the spread, didn't it?
    Had the eu shut down borders (if it even could), he would have blamed it for cancelling his disneyland holiday

  19. #27119
    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    Had the eu shut down borders (if it even could), he would have blamed it for cancelling his disneyland holiday
    He's just trying to find nails on low water by now. His insults to the EU are extremely childish and pathetic and serve no purpose other then to bait and troll us into responding to his cries of attention. I still read his replies, and still sometimes react to them when they require moderation (NO! not moderation as in what mods do, but moderation as in showing he misunderstands his lovely sources - I could ignore it, but as Slant or Nymrod said ages ago if we let him get away with his lies/misinformation, he might get what he wants). Mostly however I treat them as something as bad amusement. I'm not 100% sure if he's british at all, mostly I think he's just a trollbaiter, I mean, everytime he links an article, in his favor, he fails to read it properly, go deeper into said articles and it isnt white or black, but greyish. I think he on purpose links this kind of conciet, and misinformation.

    To our mods, I'm sorry. If you feel this should be a minor infraction, go ahead, I accept such consenquences, but know this: I strongly feel like this is how Dribbles operates/thinks . However I have no hard feelings towards you guys if you do infract me.
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  20. #27120
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    He's just trying to find nails on low water by now. His insults to the EU are extremely childish and pathetic and serve no purpose other then to bait and troll us into responding to his cries of attention. I still read his replies, and still sometimes react to them when they require moderation (NO! not moderation as in what mods do, but moderation as in showing he misunderstands his lovely sources - I could ignore it, but as Slant or Nymrod said ages ago if we let him get away with his lies/misinformation, he might get what he wants). Mostly however I treat them as something as bad amusement. I'm not 100% sure if he's british at all, mostly I think he's just a trollbaiter, I mean, everytime he links an article, in his favor, he fails to read it properly, go deeper into said articles and it isnt white or black, but greyish. I think he on purpose links this kind of conciet, and misinformation.

    To our mods, I'm sorry. If you feel this should be a minor infraction, go ahead, I accept such consenquences, but know this: I strongly feel like this is how Dribbles operates/thinks . However I have no hard feelings towards you guys if you do infract me.
    I don't think you need to apologize. I know what dribbles is, and I respond to him only with the same intent as Slant, Nymrod and you.
    The problem is not him misreading his sources. He just quotes "newspapers" who misquote and cherry pick stuff out of context every fucking time. And he picks them for this very reason, and then spins them some more. It's despicable.
    I have no doubt he is trolling, but there are people out there who take whatever they read at face value, and his kind deserve strong rebuking, if not solid shit thrown at them. Next time you apologize to the mods for calling his despicable shit out I'll crush your proverbial balls between two not so proverbial bricks.

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