View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #27781
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Fine. So Boris and his crew of idiots use the democratic mandate they got from their 40% of the vote to push ahead with a stupid damaging course of action. As I said some time back, at least this way people like you will have no place to hide when Brexit fucks this country over utterly.

    Of course you'll still try and blame it on something else, because you've never taken responsibility for anything.

    I notice you've given up trying to sell the Brexit "benefits" to us. There you were saying there were a multitude you could use, and the only two you actually came up with were basically "Brexit might repair some of the damage that Brexit caused". Where's this long list you promised?
    Please don't call it a democratic mandate, more than 50% of the country voted for left leaning parties who are skeptical of Boris's Brexit for the rich.

  2. #27782
    Government ready to open British markets to chlorinated chicken for US trade deal
    The government is set to open British markets to food produced to lower US welfare standards as part of its planned trade deal with Donald Trump.

    Downing Street on Thursday refused to stand by an earlier pledge to keep so-called “chlorinated chicken” off UK shelves, in the first sign of the government folding under pressure from American trade negotiators.

    Ministers are reportedly considering letting in products like chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef into British supermarkets, but applying tariffs to them to protect UK-based farmers from competition.

    The move would represent a significant loosening of the current situation where complying with high European welfare and sanitary standards for food are a requirement across a wide range of foods.

    But under the so-called “dual tariff” system being looked at, American agribusiness would be allowed to sell goods in the UK even if they were not complying with the same production standards as British farmers – as long as they pay a tariff.
    Is this one of those so-called benefits?

  3. #27783
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    This is one of the things that anybody with intelligence said would be the inevitable outcome of Brexit.

    This is another one: https://www.theguardian.com/business...ut-deal-brexit

    Posters like dribbles still want us to believe that negotiating with two entities like the US and EU that are significantly larger than us is somehow advantageous for us. It isn't. The US deal will be bad for us. We will either get a bad deal with the EU (in terms of what the Brexit crew want) or no deal, which will be worse.

    It doesn't help that the entire group of people responsible for managing Brexit have shown themselves to be utter morons with their handling of the Covid 19 situation. How anyone could expect them to suddenly become competent just because it's Brexit is beyond me.

    Oh, and as for them coming in with "tariffs", any deal we get with the US will allow their companies to take legal action against any UK government activity that is detrimental to them. So even if we tried to slap tariffs on their food, we would then get sued in a US court, and they would be removed. They tried to include these clauses in the deal with the EU, but because the EU had sufficient muscle to stand up to them, they refused to agree. We don't have the same muscle.

    Taking back control, eh?
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  4. #27784
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Quelle surprise.

    So, when Boris Johnson said, in February of this year:

    "I totally understand the concerns about chlorinated chicken, because it's not a hygiene issue, it's an animal welfare issue. And what we will do is use our negotiations and persuade our partners, if they want to trade freely with us, then obviously they will have to accept our approach to animal welfare.

    actually, he had no intention making them accept "our approach to animal welfare".

    Own it, Brexiteers... you all lied through your teeth. I hope the poultry industry come for you in the night. PECKING AT YOUR ENTRAILS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Quelle surprise.

    So, when Boris Johnson said, in February of this year:

    "I totally understand the concerns about chlorinated chicken, because it's not a hygiene issue, it's an animal welfare issue. And what we will do is use our negotiations and persuade our partners, if they want to trade freely with us, then obviously they will have to accept our approach to animal welfare.

    actually, he had no intention making them accept "our approach to animal welfare".

    Own it, Brexiteers... you all lied through your teeth. I hope the poultry industry come for you in the night. PECKING AT YOUR ENTRAILS.
    But it IS a hygiene issue. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Quelle surprise.

    So, when Boris Johnson said, in February of this year:

    "I totally understand the concerns about chlorinated chicken, because it's not a hygiene issue, it's an animal welfare issue. And what we will do is use our negotiations and persuade our partners, if they want to trade freely with us, then obviously they will have to accept our approach to animal welfare.

    actually, he had no intention making them accept "our approach to animal welfare".

    Own it, Brexiteers... you all lied through your teeth. I hope the poultry industry come for you in the night. PECKING AT YOUR ENTRAILS.
    We do own it v. happily. Taking back control means:-

    "products that do not comply with high UK animal welfare standards would be subject to high import tariffs."

    https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poul...hicken-imports

    /flex that UK muscle! Isn't it great when you are sovereign? Sounds to me like remainers clucking at straws...

  7. #27787
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We do own it v. happily. Taking back control means:-

    "products that do not comply with high UK animal welfare standards would be subject to high import tariffs."

    https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poul...hicken-imports

    /flex that UK muscle! Isn't it great when you are sovereign? Sounds to me like remainers clucking at straws...
    Ahhh... i understand now, stupid old me.

    As long as the yanks bribe us to consume their low welfare produce, that's all ok.

    Clearly, exactly what Johnson implied in the statement I linked above.

    if they want to trade freely with us, then obviously they will have to accept our approach to animal welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Ahhh... i understand now, stupid old me.

    As long as the yanks bribe us to consume their low welfare produce, that's all ok.

    Clearly, exactly what Johnson implied in the statement I linked above.

    if they want to trade freely with us, then obviously they will have to accept our approach to animal welfare.
    Talking of animal welfare no one is shoving manky chicken down your neck like an EU forced fed foie gras goose you know. You don't have to eat it, taking back control and allowing you the choice is a brexit benefit.

    We brexiteers don't have to list the benefits of brexit when remainers continually do it for us. Got any more?

  9. #27789
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Talking of animal welfare no one is shoving manky chicken down your neck like an EU forced fed foie gras goose you know. You don't have to eat it, taking back control and allowing you the choice is a brexit benefit.
    Umm... you never consume chicken the origin of which is unknown? Restaurant / takeaway? Chicken tikka masala from your local anglo-indian takeaway not a favourite of family Dribbles?

    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We brexiteers don't have to list the benefits of brexit when remainers continually do it for us. Got any more?
    You don't have a list of benefits? Umm... what the fuck happened to:

    "The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” – Liam Fox

    “There will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind [between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK]" - Boris Johnson

    “If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger” - Michael Gove

    Can't be arsed to go on...

    Lies, lies, lies.

  10. #27790
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Talking of animal welfare no one is shoving manky chicken down your neck like an EU forced fed foie gras goose you know. You don't have to eat it, taking back control and allowing you the choice is a brexit benefit.

    We brexiteers don't have to list the benefits of brexit when remainers continually do it for us. Got any more?
    You should just stop.
    No one here believes you anymore.
    I know that owning a mistake can be tough for some people, but at some point you are making yourself look ridiculous. That's even worse than owning up to your mistake.

  11. #27791
    I love a bit of Jamie, particularly when he's going off on one:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Oliver
    Dear Boris Johnson,

    I hope you’re well and your family is safe.

    I write this letter because I believe you’re about to seriously undermine public health and unpick the delicate patchwork quilt of farmers and food producers that are the backbone of this country. While we’ve all been focussed on the fallout of this dreadful pandemic, most people reading this probably won't know that you’ve whipped your MPs to vote down the Agriculture Bill amendments that would have maintained our British food and animal welfare standards for future trade deals and imports.

    We could be about to open the floodgates to a whole raft of low-quality food that would normally be illegal in the UK. Chlorinated chicken is just the tip of the iceberg. We’re talking about genetically modified food, stuffing animals full of hormones and antibiotics, banned pesticides that kill our bees, and an avalanche of foods that are high in fat, salt and sugar. What's more, we’ll be threatening the future of our farmers and food producers, who – despite extraordinary challenges – have worked so hard to keep us fed throughout the COVID crisis.

    Boris, it’s in your power to map out an intelligent structure where we maintain our high standards but also retain the ability to strike trade deals that are good for the economy. In my opinion, some of the biggest emerging economies right now are hungry for a trusted and safe food supply, and this is where Britain can flourish. Brand Britain and its wealth of food producers are already perfectly placed to over deliver, but if food standards are weakened, a race to the bottom will ensue, and I believe that’s a race we will lose. Public health will be compromised, and our ability to export quality, trusted product will diminish.
    We shouldn’t need reminding that COVID-19 most likely originated in the food chain. This crisis has definitely made us all stop and think a bit more about what we eat, where our food comes from and how it affects our bodies. The association between high standards, food safety, animal welfare, ethics, traceability and sustainability has never been more important. These matters affect us all, every day.

    Boris, I know you need to lead in a way that allows your teams to do their job when it comes to trade deals. I presume that you voted down the amendment to give you a blank sheet of paper in order to get deals done quickly. Of course we want trade, but not at any cost. Having standards – in law – will actually strengthen your hand in negotiations as we move forward. I believe that you have it in you to find the right balance. What looks like a simple piece of legislation will mark you in history either as a guardian to the land and its prosperity - or as someone that opened Pandora’s box to the quick erosion of the UK food and farming industries.

    This is a pivotal moment, and an opportunity for us to rebuild a stronger and better food system. If it turns out that producers from other countries can make and sell us high-quality food to British standards at a cheaper price than we can produce it ourselves, then fair play to them. Of course we need to be flexible and we need to be open to trading with both old friends and new. But ultimately we should be striving to push trade partners’ standards up, not negotiating our own down. As those critical trade negotiations heat up, we must ensure that we’ve learned our lesson from this pandemic.

    The COVID crisis has highlighted the need for us to simplify our food system so we can get to a place where we are less reliant on imports. The UK is blessed with some of the best food producers in the world, something we should value and protect. Yet we currently produce only 53% of our own veg and 16% of our own fresh fruit. Our climate is perfectly suited to growing produce, so we could easily grow more on our doorstep, not only for ourselves, but for export, too. And producing more fruit and veg here would of course be better for the planet too.

    Boris – I urge you to take a fresh approach to the Agriculture Bill. Only you have the power to set us on the right path. Only you have the power to get all those MPs to vote for the amendment (and please press the right voting button this time, Rishi).

    This Bill should be about championing the UK’s high standards in food safety and traceability, animal welfare and care for our environment. It should ensure that British farmers and food producers can continue to evolve and to deliver sustainable, healthy food without having to worry about being unfairly undercut.

    I know you have Britain’s best interests at heart, Prime Minister, but true democracy cannot rely on one man or woman’s word – it requires the assurance of a lasting legal framework that interrogates and scrutinises the decisions that affect British businesses and public health.
    We only have a few days to get this right ahead of the next critical debate in the House of Lords on the 10th of June. Hopefully the public will already be writing letters to their local MPs to voice their concerns.

    This is a unique opportunity for you, as Prime Minister, to demonstrate real leadership and reshape our food system for the better. It’s an opportunity to support all those key workers who’ve ensured we were able to put a meal on our tables throughout this crisis. An opportunity to allow the UK to set the standard for sustainable food production, and – crucially – to put public and child health at the true heart of government.

    Good-quality food should be accessible to everyone, but having campaigned about child health for the best part of 20 years now, I am incredibly concerned about the impact that bad trade deals could have on our children. Our kids will be the most vulnerable if our markets are flooded with unhealthy foods high in fat, salt and sugar.

    We need to put our children’s health first. Right now, more than ever, we need our kids to grow up strong and healthy, ready to face whatever life throws at them. We’ve just seen, for example, that having obesity or being overweight has made people more vulnerable to COVID-19. We absolutely must give our kids the best possible chance of making healthy choices.

    Boris, as you’ve rightly said yourself, we owe it to our future generations to build back better. One in eight jobs in the UK is in food supply. This Agriculture Bill is a critical first opportunity to help the British economy bounce back and to support thousands of small family businesses, while also protecting our health and our countryside. Prime Minister, please take that opportunity and reassure us that food standards won’t be compromised.

    SIGN THE PETITION HERE: www.campaigns.nfuonline.com/page/56262/petition/1?locale=en-GB

  12. #27792
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    We do own it v. happily. Taking back control means:-

    "products that do not comply with high UK animal welfare standards would be subject to high import tariffs."

    https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poul...hicken-imports

    /flex that UK muscle! Isn't it great when you are sovereign? Sounds to me like remainers clucking at straws...
    I notice that you ignore the fact that our trade deal with the US will allow US companies to sue us in a US court if we do something detrimental to their business. Which means if we try and put tariffs on, we are going to get sued. In a US court. What do you think our chances are of winning that?

    Taking back control my fucking arse.

    And before you say "isn't going to happen" they tried to get that in the deal with the EU. We've got zero leverage and we're tiny compared to the US. They are going to write the deal and we're going to sign whatever it says. You and your ilk have lied about every step of this process, and all that's going to happen now is that the next stage will cement the lying fuckwits that you all are.

    Brexit is still shit, and it still has no actual benefits. The only question now is if you're going own the shit you've created, or try and make out it's somehow the fault of the rest of us.
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  13. #27793
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    I notice that you ignore the fact that our trade deal with the US will allow US companies to sue us in a US court if we do something detrimental to their business. Which means if we try and put tariffs on, we are going to get sued. In a US court. What do you think our chances are of winning that?

    Taking back control my fucking arse.

    And before you say "isn't going to happen" they tried to get that in the deal with the EU. We've got zero leverage and we're tiny compared to the US. They are going to write the deal and we're going to sign whatever it says. You and your ilk have lied about every step of this process, and all that's going to happen now is that the next stage will cement the lying fuckwits that you all are.

    Brexit is still shit, and it still has no actual benefits. The only question now is if you're going own the shit you've created, or try and make out it's somehow the fault of the rest of us.
    51st state jokes incoming Who would have thought that all along, Dribbles were more keen on the UK being a lapdog for the US and the EU, instead of a powerhouse within the EU and through that globally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    You should just stop.
    No one here believes you anymore.
    I know that owning a mistake can be tough for some people, but at some point you are making yourself look ridiculous. That's even worse than owning up to your mistake.
    Apart from the 17.4 million people who beleaved hey?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I love a bit of Jamie, particularly when he's going off on one:
    Jamie knows as much about brexit as he does about covid as he does about cooking. Zilch. Have you seen his recipe for cremated roast beef?

    Preheat the oven to 240°C


    https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/...ct-roast-beef/

    240 degrees C my arse, you might as well throw the joint in a deep fat fryer and cook it in 10 mins, pity the fools that follow that. Him and his sidekick Ramsay are only good for the comedy TV shows they present. And even they have got old.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    I notice that you ignore the fact that our trade deal with the US will allow US companies to sue us in a US court if we do something detrimental to their business. Which means if we try and put tariffs on, we are going to get sued. In a US court. What do you think our chances are of winning that?

    Taking back control my fucking arse.

    And before you say "isn't going to happen" they tried to get that in the deal with the EU. We've got zero leverage and we're tiny compared to the US. They are going to write the deal and we're going to sign whatever it says. You and your ilk have lied about every step of this process, and all that's going to happen now is that the next stage will cement the lying fuckwits that you all are.

    Brexit is still shit, and it still has no actual benefits. The only question now is if you're going own the shit you've created, or try and make out it's somehow the fault of the rest of us.
    It still won't give sovereignty to US courts over the UK, something the EU are demanding for themselves and the UK are quite reasonably refusing. Why don't you get that bit?

    And of course we have leverage. People used to talk about the silliness of the EU butter mountains, right now there is an EU automobile mountain with not an EU car sold in the last 3 months. Not because of brexit of course, that would be down to covid. Someone is hurting, it's not the UK. How much hurt do the EU want to inflict upon themselves?

  15. #27795
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    51st state jokes incoming
    That's not really a new thing, been the case since the 80's.

    Successive UK governments have always prized American interests above our own.

  16. #27796
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    51st state jokes incoming
    That's not really a new thing, been the case since the 80's.

    Successive UK governments have always prized American interests above our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It still won't give sovereignty to US courts over the UK, something the EU are demanding for themselves and the UK are quite reasonably refusing. Why don't you get that bit?
    The most one-sided extradition treaty in the world says hi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Someone is hurting, it's not the UK.
    Yesterday more people died in the UK from covid than in the whole of Europe. I don't know what your definition of "hurting" is but its fucking retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finedist View Post
    That's not really a new thing, been the case since the 80's.

    Successive UK governments have always prized American interests above our own.

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    The most one-sided extradition treaty in the world says hi.

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    Yesterday more people died in the UK from covid than in the whole of Europe. I don't know what your definition of "hurting" is but its fucking retarded.
    Been watching too much newsnight?

    In fact some of the data in foreign countries is so dodgy that, according to the FT’s data guru John Burn-Murdoch, if England had adopted Spain’s new ‘method’, it would have reported just 20 new deaths yesterday.


    https://order-order.com/2020/06/04/n...ishes-honesty/

  18. #27798
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Jamie knows as much about brexit as he does about covid as he does about cooking. Zilch. Have you seen his recipe for cremated roast beef?

    Preheat the oven to 240°C


    https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/...ct-roast-beef/

    240 degrees C my arse, you might as well throw the joint in a deep fat fryer and cook it in 10 mins, pity the fools that follow that.
    /offtopic

    Yeah, but you turn the oven down as soon as the joint goes in the oven. It's just a cheat way of getting some colour on the meat instead of searing it in a pan first. All you need is a food thermometer to make sure it doesn't overcook. His recipes are fine, if not adventurous. The good thing about that one is the trivet - makes better gravy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    /offtopic

    Yeah, but you turn the oven down as soon as the joint goes in the oven. It's just a cheat way of getting some colour on the meat instead of searing it in a pan first. All you need is a food thermometer to make sure it doesn't overcook. His recipes are fine, if not adventurous. The good thing about that one is the trivet - makes better gravy.
    I'd still almost halve the temperature and triple his suggested hour long cooking time for a more tender experience. His roast beef must be as chewy as old shoe leather...

    However this remain led scurrilous fear mongering over low quality imported US food as a result of Brexit is just another misnomer. Like everything they say.

    The US is ranked 4th in the world for food safety and quality with every other EU nation except Ireland ranked lower.

    https://foodsecurityindex.eiu.com/Co...nited%20States

    There are no concerns Brexit will force people in the UK to eat rancid chicken and if anything US imports will raise the quality of food consumed in the UK, a direct benefit of Brexit. Next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    There are no concerns Brexit will force people in the UK to eat rancid chicken and if anything US imports will raise the quality of food consumed in the UK, a direct benefit of Brexit. Next...
    Utter bollocks, as usual. Never let the facts get in the way of a Brexit benefit, eh?

    Looking forward to having cockroaches in your chocolate are you? Those benefits just keep on coming.

    And as this details:

    “the US uses chemical washes, such as chlorine, in its production process… the US uses growth hormones in animal feed… GM foods are sold without labelling in the US… and… pesticides banned in the EU can be used in the US.”

    Wow, those all look like they will help to improve the quality of food eaten in the UK, don't they?

    Got any more news about "new" jobs in Sunderland dribbles? Always amusing when you shoot yourself in the foot by completely misunderstanding your own links.
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