View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #28681
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    hahahaha
    So you leave the EU to regain control of your borders.
    Then you turn around and give up that control again after 6 months?

    free movement of people
    I mean, Dribbles at least has been relatively consistent in preferring Commonwealth members to EU members in that sense, so free movement with them is probably better.

    The Brexiteer position always seemed to me akin more to be against freedom of people being for the 'wrong' people coming to them, so it's not too much of a stretch for them to appreciate these freedoms with the 'right' people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    I mean, Dribbles at least has been relatively consistent in preferring Commonwealth members to EU members in that sense, so free movement with them is probably better.

    The Brexiteer position always seemed to me akin more to be against freedom of people being for the 'wrong' people coming to them, so it's not too much of a stretch for them to appreciate these freedoms with the 'right' people.
    Better relations with our many British Commonwealth friends that span the planet, some even now in Europe, was always going to be preferable to further integration within a small geographically limited EU village that mostly doesn't share our values, language and consistently worked against UK interests. Yeah Brexit was all about that.

    Australia last week, New Zealand next month, the TPP next year? The sun now never sets on British global free trading opportunities, how many more Brexit benefits do people need to see?


  3. #28683
    Removal of EU protections will lead to the desctruction of the UK Steel industry.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-tories-warned

    It's the gift that keeps on giving. Farmers getting fucked over by the Australia deal. Fishermen getting fucked over by the EU deal. Now steel. Is there any industry in this country that the Brexiteers don't want to destroy? Do they really hate our country that much?
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  4. #28684
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    how many more Brexit benefits do people need to see?
    I'd like to see one just to start us off because I honestly have not seen any so far.

  5. #28685
    Quote Originally Posted by Attackrabbit View Post
    I'd like to see one just to start us off because I honestly have not seen any so far.
    Same here, come on Dribbles give us something tangible, not something that makes a good headline in a right wing rag!
    Last edited by Iliena; 2021-06-20 at 04:47 PM. Reason: wording

  6. #28686
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Removal of EU protections will lead to the desctruction of the UK Steel industry.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-tories-warned

    It's the gift that keeps on giving. Farmers getting fucked over by the Australia deal. Fishermen getting fucked over by the EU deal. Now steel. Is there any industry in this country that the Brexiteers don't want to destroy? Do they really hate our country that much?
    Well the catering, hospitality business and the NHS are having a blast recruiti... oh wait ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    Same here, come on Dribbles give us something tangible, not something that makes a good headline in a right wing rag!
    Everyone's a winner, brexit benefits for all!

    Brexit drives up wages by ending free movement. Salaries have risen 4pc overall.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...free-movement/

    Which in turn, thanks to the triple lock, means UK state pensions could rise by as much as 6-8% next year. Even Granny is chuffed and seeing the brexit benefits...good enough?

  8. #28688
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Everyone's a winner, brexit benefits for all!

    Brexit drives up wages by ending free movement. Salaries have risen 4pc overall.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...free-movement/

    Which in turn, thanks to the triple lock, means UK state pensions could rise by as much as 6-8% next year. Even Granny is chuffed and seeing the brexit benefits...good enough?
    Though the article only states brexit as one of several possible reasons of the tight job market, I’m inclined to give you that, good job!

    The long term effects are likely to come bite you though, when the inflation rates start to come about. Especially in agriculture, the profit margins aren’t there to sustain higher wages. Means consumer prices will rise.

    In hospitality business it likely varies. There’s bound to be a culling of smaller businesses there though. And again, your pint is likely to do summer salts on its price too.

  9. #28689
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Everyone's a winner, brexit benefits for all!

    Brexit drives up wages by ending free movement. Salaries have risen 4pc overall.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...free-movement/

    Which in turn, thanks to the triple lock, means UK state pensions could rise by as much as 6-8% next year. Even Granny is chuffed and seeing the brexit benefits...good enough?
    I couldn't read it all due to paywall, but on the Telegraph site under Bank of England:
    Households face a £700 blow as inflation rises to its highest level for a decade this summer, economists have warned....
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...lds-700-worse/

    Don't forget the increase in food prices: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57314680

    You might not have noticed but the country has had some unexpected expenses recently, they couldn't even give nursing staff a decent pay increase this year, after all the hard work they have done during the pandemic! 6-8% on pensions is idiotic nonsense!

    Edit: I posted about expected food cost increase's in this thread back in April:
    My nephew works for a large food manufacturer who produce a lot of the "own brand" products for several major supermarkets, they import a lot from the the EU.
    For example milk and cheese from France, they now need to do a lot of extra steps and deal with a lot of bureaucracy to bring it in, such as paying for independent vet's and food inspectors to check on the welfare of the animals and that then food production meets our standards, (which wasn't needed when we were in the single market) this will push prices up, British alternatives (if available) are often more expensive, the costs are currently being soaked by the supermarkets as it would be bad PR putting prices up during the pandemic, so expect food costs to creep up after.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53138866
    Last edited by Iliena; 2021-06-21 at 01:45 AM.

  10. #28690
    Only 25% of the country thinks Brexit is going well. Even among the Leave voters, only 45% of them think it's going well. Do you hear that @dribbles? That "democratic support" you kept harping on about it drifting away pretty rapidly. And we haven't even begun to feel the really bad impacts of Brexit yet.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../06/21/199fd/1

    Give it a couple of years and you won't be able to find anyone that owns up to voting for this shit. Even the hardcore racists are going to be ashamed of being associated with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Only 25% of the country thinks Brexit is going well. Even among the Leave voters, only 45% of them think it's going well. Do you hear that @dribbles? That "democratic support" you kept harping on about it drifting away pretty rapidly. And we haven't even begun to feel the really bad impacts of Brexit yet.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../06/21/199fd/1

    Give it a couple of years and you won't be able to find anyone that owns up to voting for this shit. Even the hardcore racists are going to be ashamed of being associated with it.
    Yeah... Just like how some of the Trumpsters have been retconning their support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Only 25% of the country thinks Brexit is going well. Even among the Leave voters, only 45% of them think it's going well. Do you hear that @dribbles? That "democratic support" you kept harping on about it drifting away pretty rapidly. And we haven't even begun to feel the really bad impacts of Brexit yet.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../06/21/199fd/1

    Give it a couple of years and you won't be able to find anyone that owns up to voting for this shit. Even the hardcore racists are going to be ashamed of being associated with it.
    Just because a random poll says Brexit is not going well does not mean Brexit has lost democratic support. And with 2 sides to the story who is it that UK voters blame for Brexit not going as well as it could be? That is the real question Yougov should have asked.

    From the same survey you linked...

    Voting Intention: Con 45%, Lab 31% (16 - 17 June)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ting_intention

    Boris has increasing support from the electorate and it can only be that the UK voters blame someone else for any failings in the ongoing Brexit shenanigans. It must be the EU, the only other party in the proceedings, that is at fault.

    It is also quite clear Boris supports Brexit and the people increasingly support Boris ergo more and more people must support Brexit.

    Otherwise they would withdraw their votes for him decisively am I right? He is also clearly regarded as current best option for PM , perhaps because he got brexit done, from the yougov polling tracker.

    That mandate for a rejoin referendum must seem further away than ever right now and the democratic legitimacy in favour of Brexit is undented.

  13. #28693
    What's that thing about correlation and causation again?

  14. #28694
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Just because a random poll says Brexit is not going well does not mean Brexit has lost democratic support. And with 2 sides to the story who is it that UK voters blame for Brexit not going as well as it could be? That is the real question Yougov should have asked.

    From the same survey you linked...

    Voting Intention: Con 45%, Lab 31% (16 - 17 June)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ting_intention

    Boris has increasing support from the electorate and it can only be that the UK voters blame someone else for any failings in the ongoing Brexit shenanigans. It must be the EU, the only other party in the proceedings, that is at fault.

    It is also quite clear Boris supports Brexit and the people increasingly support Boris ergo more and more people must support Brexit.

    Otherwise they would withdraw their votes for him decisively am I right? He is also clearly regarded as current best option for PM , perhaps because he got brexit done, from the yougov polling tracker.

    That mandate for a rejoin referendum must seem further away than ever right now and the democratic legitimacy in favour of Brexit is undented.
    Ignoring facts as ever dribbles. Consistant to the last.

    Sure, there will be the usual suspects who will believe the lies that the nasty evil EU are to blame for Brexit being a giant fuck up. You've only got to look at the idiots protesting against vaccines in London today to realise that. But they are always going to be in a minority. The bulk of people are going to see what's going to happen over the next couple of years and look for someone to blame.

    That's the problem with stirring up a mob to support your cause. Once you've "won" you have two choices, let go of the reigns and let the mob move where it wants, or find a new target for them to direct their hate. Boris won't be able to blame the EU now, because according to him he has "won" our sovereignty back. Saying that the EU is to blame would be admitting that was all a lie. So he'll have to direct the blame elsewhere, because fuck knows that man has never taken responsibility for anything his entire life. Not a job. Not a relationship. Not a child. Who will he pick? The brown people still in the country? The Scots? The poor?

    The only thing we know for sure is that poor Boris won't be to blame for anything. Not in his eyes. He'll be off to the next job, probably as a director for one of the companies run by his mates that he's directed billions of pounds of our money towards during this crisis. He won't give a shit that he's fucked the country for decades with his actions. He'll be off shagging the next young blonde and fathering yet more unwanted children.

    Ironically, if he were on a council estate you'd be raging against him. But because he went to the right school and spouts occasional Latin you're happy to shove your head so far up his arse you can see the back of his teeth.
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  15. #28695
    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    Same here, come on Dribbles give us something tangible, not something that makes a good headline in a right wing rag!
    So you have nothing tangible apart from conjecture and wishful thinking! OK thanks for clearing that up.

  16. #28696
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Yeah... Just like how some of the Trumpsters have been retconning their support.
    Really? Has that happened? I thought they'd hold out for longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Just because a random poll says Brexit is not going well does not mean Brexit has lost democratic support. And with 2 sides to the story who is it that UK voters blame for Brexit not going as well as it could be? That is the real question Yougov should have asked.
    Just because a random (badly phrased) referendum is not showing an outright smackdown of Brexit, doesn't mean Brexit is a smart idea...

    I mean, for someone who will take the most ridiculus polls and use them to support Brexit, this is a new low for you, Dribs. You're not even trying to weasle your way out of it properly, you are actually acknowledging defeat. This is new. Keep it up, you'll come around.
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  17. #28697
    Www .
    ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/march2021

    Overall picture puts the UK in a massive position of strength.

    Nothing like the doom, gloom and failures described by project fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Really? Has that happened? I thought they'd hold out for longer.
    Yeah. Can't remember who, but someone was very adamant that they've never supported Trump. And then someone linked an old thread with a poll, on which president they are going to vote for. Trumpster got quiet after that, rofl.
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  19. #28699
    Quote Originally Posted by mortgyes View Post
    Www .
    ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/march2021

    Overall picture puts the UK in a massive position of strength.

    Nothing like the doom, gloom and failures described by project fear.
    1.Main points
    UK gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have grown by 2.1% in March 2021, the fastest monthly growth since August 2020, as schools in some parts of the UK reopened throughout the month.

    The service sector grew by 1.9% in March 2021, with schools re-opening across England and Wales and retail trade sales continuing to show strength.

    Output in the production sector grew by 1.8% in March 2021, as manufacturing grew for a second consecutive month, at 2.1%.

    The construction sector grew by 5.8% in March 2021, driven by growth in both new work and repair and maintenance. The growth in construction (and indeed manufacturing) reflect businesses continuing to adapt, including development of COVID-19 secure environments to operate in.

    March’s GDP is 5.9% below the levels seen in February 2020, and 1.1% below the initial recovery peak in October 2020.

    Latest estimates also show only small revisions to GDP in January (now negative 2.5%, from negative 2.2%) and February (now growth of 0.7%, from 0.4%).
    Did you even bother reading it before posting?

  20. #28700
    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    Did you even bother reading it before posting?
    You're talking about a burner that doesn't understand what the words "you're banned" means and still thinks Brexit was a good idea. Bold of you to assume he can read.
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