[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Boris gives in and orders the removal of another one of those "Brexit benefits":

https://www.ft.com/content/8335166f-...f-d7554c3b40b2

Yes, we're going to be begging all of those EU HGV drivers to please come back and help us. Because we're incapable of maintaining a functioning society without them. How many will actually answer the call?

I wonder what the next part of Brexit will be that collapses under the weight of reality? Fishing industry? Financial Services?

It's almost as if the morons running our country (and Brexit) had no clue what they were doing, what they were signing up for, or how anything works. I don't know what they exact opposite of "makes you proud to be British" is, but I'm pretty sure I'm feeling it.

And so begins the piecemeal reversal of Brexit. Boris's Brexit didn't even manage to get to its first birthday before they started to dismantle it.

[cardaniso]

It's almost as if the morons running our country (and Brexit) had no clue what they were doing, what they were signing up for, or how anything works. I don't know what they exact opposite of "makes you proud to be British" is, but I'm pretty sure I'm feeling it.

I don't mean to be critical but one of the principal reasons that Brexit continues to be relatively popular with voters is that it is perceived as somehow being more British. The danger with this type of comment is that it makes idiots think that any one opposed to Brexit is somehow anti-British.

The reality of course is that Brexit is very, very anti-British. We are significantly weaker as a nation because of it. The pound fell significantly in value because of it. We de facto surrendered to the IRA by allowing full economic union between Northern Ireland and the Republic. The Union is in severe danger, Britain's enemies, such as Putin, definitely wanted exactly this outcome. These are not especially liberal or socialist issues, these are things conservatives were supposed to be concerned about.

I think it should be an emphasized in any discussion involving Brexit that it is a anti-British event involving some sinister foreign forces.

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And so begins the piecemeal reversal of Brexit. Boris's Brexit didn't even manage to get to its first birthday before they started to dismantle it.

Well Boris's deal was pretty much a surrender to the EU in the first place, so I think it began a while back. Brexiteers only went along with it because it was either that or admit they'd been sold out, which they didn't want to do because they would be utterly humiliated.

Teresa May complained a lot that her deal was better than Boris's. In fact if you actually compare the two deals its not even close, the deal we got was actually significantly worse.

[XDurionX]

Wait, you mean it's really happening what everybody with at least half a brain said would be happening? :-O

Are you starving yet?

[Gorsameth]

Well Boris's deal was pretty much a surrender to the EU in the first place, so I think it began a while back. Brexiteers only went along with it because it was either that or admit they'd been sold out, which they didn't want to do because they would be utterly humiliated.

Teresa May complained a lot that her deal was better than Boris's. In fact if you actually compare the two deals its not even close, the deal we got was actually significantly worse.

May prioritized keeping the Union intact, and therefor couldn't resolve the Irish border.

Boris 'fixed' it by abandoning NI and effectively placing them out of the Union. A fact he knows and recognises because he has tried to break the WA multiple times now to avoid having to implement said separation.

Its certainly been fun watching Dribbles jump through hoops trying to pretend that Boris Johnson didn't betray the United Kingdom.

[cardaniso]

May prioritized keeping the Union intact, and therefor couldn't resolve the Irish border.

Boris 'fixed' it by abandoning NI and effectively placing them out of the Union. A fact he knows and recognises because he has tried to break the WA multiple times now to avoid having to implement said separation.

Its certainly been fun watching Dribbles jump through hoops trying to pretend that Boris Johnson didn't betray the United Kingdom.

It is truly extraordinary that a conservative would essentially give the IRA victory and this fact would go almost unremarked on the mainland.

[dribbles]

May prioritized keeping the Union intact, and therefor couldn't resolve the Irish border.

Boris 'fixed' it by abandoning NI and effectively placing them out of the Union. A fact he knows and recognises because he has tried to break the WA multiple times now to avoid having to implement said separation.

Its certainly been fun watching Dribbles jump through hoops trying to pretend that Boris Johnson didn't betray the United Kingdom.

NI has not been abandoned, there was never any intention of honouring the WA by the UK. It hasn't been fully implemented by the UK and never will be no matter how much the EU huffs and puffs. Extension after extension, kicking the can down the road, will be implemented unilaterally by the UK and the EU dare do nothing about it.

Ireland is not the same place it was 20 years ago and by following the anglo business model, often placing it at loggerheads with the EU socialist one, has become extremely wealthy. Wealthy people, like the Irish now, with lots to lose do not go around bombing things IRA style willy nilly because of the potential consequences to that wealth.

The gradual coming together and strengthening of the anglosphere, as evidenced by the latest Aukus submarine deal snatched by the UK and at the expense of the EU, is very necessary as the weakened and divided EU fragments and falls apart.

A Brexit benefit is that we are protected from the fallout of that somewhat as the UK rejoins our English speaking brothers in a truly strong and stable global alliance bringing order to the chaos and confusion post pandemic. The EU will play no part in that, it just does not possess the attributes required.

[Huehuecoyotl]

NI has not been abandoned, there was never any intention of honouring the WA by the UK. It hasn't been fully implemented by the UK and never will be no matter how much the EU huffs and puffs. Extension after extension, kicking the can down the road, will be implemented unilaterally by the UK and the EU dare do nothing about it.

Ireland is not the same place it was 20 years ago and by following the anglo business model, often placing it at loggerheads with the EU socialist one, has become extremely wealthy. Wealthy people, like the Irish now, with lots to lose do not go around bombing things IRA style willy nilly because of the potential consequences to that wealth.

The gradual coming together and strengthening of the anglosphere, as evidenced by the latest Aukus submarine deal snatched by the UK and at the expense of the EU, is very necessary as the weakened and divided EU fragments and falls apart.

A Brexit benefit is that we are protected from the fallout of that somewhat as the UK rejoins our English speaking brothers in a truly strong and stable global alliance bringing order to the chaos and confusion post pandemic. The EU will play no part in that, it just does not possess the attributes required.

Still claiming there are no empty shelves dribbles, you liar? Or has your sight started to work the same as the rest of the country so you can see the reality of what Brexit has delivered to us?

And that last sentence is telling; your racism is poking through again.

[MCMLXXXII]

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The gradual coming together and strengthening of the anglosphere, as evidenced by the latest Aukus submarine deal snatched by the UK and at the expense of the EU, is very necessary as the weakened and divided EU fragments and falls apart.

At the expense of France, not the EU.
Maybe that great AUKUS deal brings you new lorry drivers to help you out with those empty shelves and fuel stations.

[dribbles]

Still claiming there are no empty shelves dribbles, you liar? Or has your sight started to work the same as the rest of the country so you can see the reality of what Brexit has delivered to us?

And that last sentence is telling; your racism is poking through again.

No shortages in my local Waitrose this morning I,m pleased to report, however...

The global supply chain issues are no more to do with Brexit than global warming is. Many places in the EU, Poland for example, have it worse than the UK in terms of lorry driver shortages. Did Brexit cause that too?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/garthfr...h=103194f43491

Silly attempt to stray off the topic of Brexit to deflect from a sour remainers lost cause. Start another thread would be my advice, it has nothing to do with this one.

[Gorsameth]

NI has not been abandoned, there was never any intention of honouring the WA by the UK. It hasn't been fully implemented by the UK and never will be no matter how much the EU huffs and puffs. Extension after extension, kicking the can down the road, will be implemented unilaterally by the UK and the EU dare do nothing about it.

Ireland is not the same place it was 20 years ago and by following the anglo business model, often placing it at loggerheads with the EU socialist one, has become extremely wealthy. Wealthy people, like the Irish now, with lots to lose do not go around bombing things IRA style willy nilly because of the potential consequences to that wealth.

The gradual coming together and strengthening of the anglosphere, as evidenced by the latest Aukus submarine deal snatched by the UK and at the expense of the EU, is very necessary as the weakened and divided EU fragments and falls apart.

A Brexit benefit is that we are protected from the fallout of that somewhat as the UK rejoins our English speaking brothers in a truly strong and stable global alliance bringing order to the chaos and confusion post pandemic. The EU will play no part in that, it just does not possess the attributes required.

Thank you, for so expertly proving my point.

[Afrospinach]

Boris gives in and orders the removal of another one of those "Brexit benefits":

https://www.ft.com/content/8335166f-...f-d7554c3b40b2

Yes, we're going to be begging all of those EU HGV drivers to please come back and help us. Because we're incapable of maintaining a functioning society without them. How many will actually answer the call?

I wonder what the next part of Brexit will be that collapses under the weight of reality? Fishing industry? Financial Services?

It's almost as if the morons running our country (and Brexit) had no clue what they were doing, what they were signing up for, or how anything works. I don't know what they exact opposite of "makes you proud to be British" is, but I'm pretty sure I'm feeling it.

This post would make a lot more sense if this was a British problem only.

It has been looming across the whole of the EU for years

[Barzotti]

No shortages in my local Waitrose this morning I,m pleased to report, however...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1925557.html

From yesterday. I guess that the Independent is lying then? Or are you too lazy to google "uk empty shelves"?

"In an open letter to Boris Johnson, organised by the National Farmers’ Union (NFU), 12 food and drink trade groups said the food and farming sector is on a “knife edge” due to a “crippling” shortage of workers across the entire supply chain."

“Without it, more shelves will go empty and consumers will panic buy to try to get through the winter,” the letter warns.

"As well as big names, including McDonald’s, struggling to keep all their products available, there is a parallel shortage of labour in the fields, meaning tonnes of edible food is going to waste."

I guess all the food and drink groups don't know what they are talking about It always baffles me how the Brexiters can deny the most obvious reality. They wouldn't see the reality even if it would bite them in the balls. But enjoy your freedom, you fought tooth and nails to earn the right to have stations rationing fuel.

[dribbles]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1925557.html

From yesterday. I guess that the Independent is lying then?

"In an open letter to Boris Johnson, organised by the National Farmers’ Union (NFU), 12 food and drink trade groups said the food and farming sector is on a “knife edge” due to a “crippling” shortage of workers across the entire supply chain."

“Without it, more shelves will go empty and consumers will panic buy to try to get through the winter,” the letter warns.

"As well as big names, including McDonald’s, struggling to keep all their products available, there is a parallel shortage of labour in the fields, meaning tonnes of edible food is going to waste."

I guess all the food and drink groups don't know what they are talking about It always baffles me how the Brexiters can deny the most obvious reality. They wouldn't see the reality even if it would bite them in the balls.

It is a global problem, if anything Brexit in yet another benefit is helping to provide a solution for the UK.

Brexit is not to blame for HGV driver shortage and ‘has helped to provide a solution’, Grant ShappsThe Transport Secretary said leaving the EU has actually helped “provide a solution” to the problem, as he has been able to ramp up the number of driving tests available to new recruits.

Mr Shapps told Sky News: “I have seen people point to Brexit as the culprit here when in fact they are wrong.

“Not only are there very large and even larger shortages in other EU countries like Poland and Germany, which clearly can’t be because of Brexit.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit-news...tation-1215749

All the problems in the world cannot be blamed on Brexit, as any sensible person would see.

[Barzotti]

It is a global problem, if anything Brexit in yet another benefit is helping to provide a solution for the UK.



https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit-news...tation-1215749

All the problems in the world cannot be blamed on Brexit, as any sensible person would see.

A global problem? There are absolutely 0 problems in France, no fuel rationing, no empty shelves. I didn't hear anything like that in Germany, Spain or Italy too.

All you're doing is spouting the asinine governmental rhetoric consisting of denying the most obvious facts. And this point of view is repeating "this is fine" while standing still during a fire. Maybe you'll keep repeating "we won goise! Brexit is a great success!" while waiting for your 30 pounds max fuel refill.

[Temp name]

NI has not been abandoned, there was never any intention of honouring the WA by the UK.

Ah yes, because other countries just *LOVE* making deals with people they know they can't trust.

If you don't honour the WA, then no one will ever trust a deal made with you again, which means no one will ever make a deal with you, because a deal where you can't trust the other side to uphold their part is worth less than the paper it's written on

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It is a global problem, if anything Brexit in yet another benefit is helping to provide a solution for the UK.



https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit-news...tation-1215749

All the problems in the world cannot be blamed on Brexit, as any sensible person would see.

That's just the HGV problem.. Has nothing to do with the food and farming industries. And where I'm from we don't have empty shelves, so empty shelves isn't a global problem even remotely

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

It is a global problem, if anything Brexit in yet another benefit is helping to provide a solution for the UK.

It is not a global problem. And your "Brexit-caused solution" is to get more HGV drivers from EU countries. What's wrong, don't British people want those jobs that the EU nationals were taking from them?

[Huehuecoyotl]

No shortages in my local Waitrose this morning I,m pleased to report, however...

The global supply chain issues are no more to do with Brexit than global warming is. Many places in the EU, Poland for example, have it worse than the UK in terms of lorry driver shortages. Did Brexit cause that too?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/garthfr...h=103194f43491

Silly attempt to stray off the topic of Brexit to deflect from a sour remainers lost cause. Start another thread would be my advice, it has nothing to do with this one.

So tell us where this "local Waitrose" is that is apparently immune to stock issues? Oh, and the distribution issues are down to the lack of HGV drivers. A large part of which is Brexit driving all the foreign ones away when we didn't have enough "British" ones to replace them with. Hence Boris talking about reversing that part of Brexit (not offering drivers visas) to mitigate the problem.

So Boris thinks that reversing a part of Brexit will solve the driver issue. You claim that the driver issue has nothing to do with Brexit. I'm in a quandry now, which one of the two serial liars do I believe?

[dribbles]

Ah yes, because other countries just *LOVE* making deals with people they know they can't trust.

If you don't honour the WA, then no one will ever trust a deal made with you again, which means no one will ever make a deal with you, because a deal where you can't trust the other side to uphold their part is worth less than the paper it's written on

So I guess Australia is out in the cold then for ripping up her deal with France over the subs? Strewth...

There is no point in the UK honouring right now a WA that the people of NI will reject shortly. And reject it they probably will in 3 years time when the democratically provided and EU agreed to consent mechanism post transition kicks in.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...sent-mechanism

At that point the UK is demonstrably trustworthy to the world because it will honour the WA then by making it null and void. The EU knows and agreed to this process, as did the UK, there's no trickery here.

In 3 years time, after extension after extension in the current status quo, we will honour and comply fully with it by ripping it up and seeking something new.

So tell us where this "local Waitrose" is that is apparently immune to stock issues? Oh, and the distribution issues are down to the lack of HGV drivers. A large part of which is Brexit driving all the foreign ones away when we didn't have enough "British" ones to replace them with. Hence Boris talking about reversing that part of Brexit (not offering drivers visas) to mitigate the problem.

So Boris thinks that reversing a part of Brexit will solve the driver issue. You claim that the driver issue has nothing to do with Brexit. I'm in a quandry now, which one of the two serial liars do I believe?

Answer the question how did Brexit cause the shortage of 123,000 lorry drivers in Poland? The 60,000 shortage of drivers in Germany?

You won't will you, but the answer is Brexit didn't, same way it didn't cause the 100,000 HGV driver shortage in the UK.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Answer the question how did Brexit cause the shortage of 123,000 lorry drivers in Poland? The 60,000 shortage of drivers in Germany?

You won't will you, but the answer is Brexit didn't, same way it didn't cause the 100,000 HGV driver shortage in the UK.

The Road Haulage Association estimates that 20,000 EU HGV drivers left during the Brexit process. Are you suggesting that having 20k fewer drivers is NOT part of the reason for the shortage we're now experiencing?

I'm ignoring your whataboutisms regarding other countries. I'd assumed that you didn't care about any of them because they aren't Britain. And also because even though those countries are experiencing a shortage of drivers, it isn't having the same impact on goods on shelves.

Food rotting in fields. Not enough drivers. Energy prices surging. Government intervention required to prevent a shut-down of our meat production industry. Boris going cap in hand to Brazil to try and avoid destroying Xmas. This golden age of Britain that we were promised once Brexit was completed sure looks a bit shit from where I'm sitting.

And where is this fully stocked Waitrose dribbles? So we can check the local news and see what action they've taken to avoid country wide issues.

[zealo]

Answer the question how did Brexit cause the shortage of 123,000 lorry drivers in Poland? The 60,000 shortage of drivers in Germany?

You won't will you, but the answer is Brexit didn't, same way it didn't cause the 100,000 HGV driver shortage in the UK.

It speaks volumes in itself you decided to just ignore the question of where this ”local Waitrose” is.

I think we all know the answer to that, don’t we?