[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Candiman]

I like this line in the Express article

“You can actually have a situation where Brexit kind of boosts services trade by harming another sector more.

Where even the Express admits that while service exports might be up it's at the expense of another sectors bigger losses.

[UnifiedDivide]

Migration figures: Rishi Sunak says numbers 'too high' after new record set

Net migration is too high, Rishi Sunak has said, after data confirmed levels hit a new record high last year.

Immigration saw the country's overall population increase by 606,000 in 2022, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

More people from outside the EU arriving on student and work visas, as well as the Ukraine and Hong Kong schemes, all contributed, the ONS said.

The PM insisted that migration was not out of control.

But after more than a decade of Conservative-led governments promising to reduce numbers, the figures represent a political challenge for Mr Sunak.

Under then Conservative prime minister David Cameron, the Tories pledged to get net migration below 100,000, and the party's 2019 manifesto also committed to getting the rate down, without setting a specific target.

Now the ONS has confirmed that in 2022, an estimated 1.2 million people arrived in the UK, while 557,000 left in the same period.

Net migration, the difference between those two figures, stood at 606,000 - an increase of 164,000 on 2021's total.

Reacting to the data, the PM told ITV's This Morning: "Numbers are too high, it's as simple as that. And I want to bring them down."

Asked whether immigration was out of control, Mr Sunak replied: "Well, no, I think the numbers are just too high."

The PM said measures to tighten visa rules for overseas students which were put in place this week were "significant" and would bring levels down over time.

In a bid to drive down net migration, from next year, only those on post-graduate research programmes will be able to bring their families to the UK.

On Thursday, the ONS said that of the 925,000 non-EU nationals who came to the UK in 2022, almost 40% arrived on student visas - but it added that students "typically" don't stay long term, and the majority leave when their courses end.

The Russell Group, which represents many of the country's top universities, has raised concerns that the plans will impact their ability to attract the "vital income" international students inject into the British higher education system.

The second biggest driver of the 2022 increase was the number of work-related arrivals from outside the EU, which nearly doubled from 137,000 to 235,000 in the space of a year.

Net migration continues to increase despite Brexit: more EU nationals left the UK last year (202,000) than arrived (151,000), the ONS said.

Resettlement schemes triggered by what the ONS called "unprecedented world events" were the third biggest driver of the increase.

The number of non-EU nationals who arrived in the UK via humanitarian routes rose from 9% to 19% in 2022.

Among them were 114,000 Ukrainians, and 52,000 Hong Kong citizens who were offered a special visa scheme created after China imposed a national security law in the former British colony.

At least he said it isn't out of control. Bet that made some people mad lol

[Fuiking]

Migration figures: Rishi Sunak says numbers 'too high' after new record set

At least he said it isn't out of control. Bet that made some people mad lol

They seem to be able to handle migration pretty well imho.. try dutch migration its collapsing massively without houses lel

[Nymrohd]

Brexit Caused a Third of UK Food Price Inflation

I mean, what else needs to be said. £7 billion added to food cost because of the added border check.

[LeGin v3]

The problem is that politicians on both sides of the divide have buried their heads in the sand for the last two decades.

Investment in infrastructure has not kept pace with the demands upon it.

"They're taking our jobs"... fucking stupid statement given that a large part of the UK's productivity problem is unfilled vacancies.

Demands on infrastructure, I get. But, what's the solution? Not popular, but the answer is: higher taxes and increased distribution of wealth.

The UK has a lot of debt to pay in the form of reparations for historical C02 emissions. People want to come to the UK to live, work, seek better lives for themselves and their families. Pretending this isn't the case and doing a Braverman is not the answer for progressive, mature democracy.

Oh wait, but the UK isn't a progressive, mature democracy is it.

It's a pity that guy today in the Nissan didn't get further into #10 than he did.

[Huehuecoyotl]

The problem is that politicians on both sides of the divide have buried their heads in the sand for the last two decades.

Investment in infrastructure has not kept pace with the demands upon it.

"They're taking our jobs"... fucking stupid statement given that a large part of the UK's productivity problem is unfilled vacancies.

Demands on infrastructure, I get. But, what's the solution? Not popular, but the answer is: higher taxes and increased distribution of wealth.

The UK has a lot of debt to pay in the form of reparations for historical C02 emissions. People want to come to the UK to live, work, seek better lives for themselves and their families. Pretending this isn't the case and doing a Braverman is not the answer for progressive, mature democracy.

Oh wait, but the UK isn't a progressive, mature democracy is it.

It's a pity that guy today in the Nissan didn't get further into #10 than he did.

We don't need higher taxes. We've got the highest taxes since the second world war. When we had to rebuild the entire country and built the NHS from scratch.

We need to tax the fuckers that currently aren't contributing. People with a stash of housing that's managed by an offshore company. Make that illegal, if you own property in this country your firm is based in this country and pays taxes in this country. Stop taxing billionaires at a 1% rate while those of us that are PAYE are paying 30%. Windfall tax on the cunts currently making a killing by overcharging us for energy.

There are plenty of ways to generate the cash we need, and we could almost certainly do it while reducing the tax burden on people on the average wage. I'll happily pay more, I can afford it, but I'm not volunteering until they've squeezed the genuinely wealthy until the pips squeak.

Oh, and get everything that should be owned by the country back into public ownership. Simple principle; if the government would have to step in to prop it up if the owners went bankrupt, then it shouldn't be in private hands. Put a permanent end to capitalism for the profits and socialism for the losses. Then get us a constitution that you can't sell national assets off; put a stop to Thatcher MK2 before it ever gets started.

Don't get me started, I could go on all night.

[dribbles]

Migration figures: Rishi Sunak says numbers 'too high' after new record set

At least he said it isn't out of control. Bet that made some people mad lol

Increased immigration is honestly down to the success of Brexit making Britain a far more attractive proposition for immigrants now we are outside the EU. People vote with their feet, they could easily go somewhere else. It is wonderful, as a benefit of Brexit, to see a more balanced soup of immigrants from across the whole world coming here rather than prioritising those from the EU over all others. All people should be treated equally.

I did see some people a tad angry about it, but as a property owner like many looking to cash out at some point one can only celebrate this increased demand for housing caused by immigration resulting in a 50% increase in property prices since the referendum, and upward pressure on rents that can be charged, thank you Brexit for making us wealthier.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Increased immigration is honestly down to the success of Brexit making Britain a far more attractive proposition for immigrants now we are outside the EU. People vote with their feet, they could easily go somewhere else. It is wonderful, as a benefit of Brexit, to see a more balanced soup of immigrants from across the whole world coming here rather than prioritising those from the EU over all others. All people should be treated equally.

I did see some people a tad angry about it, but as a property owner like many looking to cash out at some point one can only celebrate this increased demand for housing caused by immigration resulting in a 50% increase in property prices since the referendum, and upward pressure on rents that can be charged, thank you Brexit for making us wealthier.

Want me to go back and link your posts stating that a Brexit "benefit" was going to be reducing immigration? You were shouting from the rooftops about how brilliant it was. Now immigration is going up massively and suddenly that's a Brexit benefit as well.

Fucking pathetic dribbles. Anything that happens you try and pretend that it shows how brilliant Brexit is. You'll contradict yourself in the process, but you don't even care. You just continue to spout your bullshit.

In the meantime, JRM has said that applying the import controls that Brexit was going to allow us to have would be an "act of economic self harm". The bonfire of EU regulations has been pushed back again, because nobody supposedly running this country has the slightest idea of how to handle doing it properly. And the improvements to animal welfare that Boris was pushing for as a Brexit benefit have been scrapped. Hell, you linked to those in a previous post and called them a benefit yourself.

You pushed Brexit as far as you could, and now it's stalled and stopped moving. The next step is to start moving back to where we were. Either the Tories lose their nerve and do so to try and avoid crushing defeat in the next election, or the next party in power will.

But at least this post proves the point; you don't give a shit about what damage Brexit does to the country, as long as you are okay. Selfish, small minded thinking that sums up Brexiteers better than I ever could.

[UnifiedDivide]

Want me to go back and link your posts stating that a Brexit "benefit" was going to be reducing immigration? You were shouting from the rooftops about how brilliant it was. Now immigration is going up massively and suddenly that's a Brexit benefit as well.

Quite literally why I posted it. Just to watch him flip, and label it a great benefit, brought about by the glory of Brexit lol His Brexiteer character, and I do still think he's just playing a part, is incredibly predictable. Not at all as good as it used to be.

[jonnysensible]

everything good, brexit
everything bad, not brexit

[Xarkan]

everything good, brexit
everything bad, not brexit

Everything bad can be misquoted and misrepresented and packaged as a benefit

[LeGin v3]

We need to tax the fuckers that currently aren't contributing. etc.

Yep, ofc, iDD with this.

However:

The United Kingdom ranked 23rd out of 38 OECD countries in terms of the tax-to-GDP ratio in 2021

23rd out of 38. That's why our infrastructure is crumbling...

But, when you dig into it,

Relative to the OECD average, the tax structure in the United Kingdom is characterised by:
» Higher revenues from taxes on personal income, profits & gains and property taxes.
» Equal to the OECD average from value-added taxes.
» A lower proportion of revenues from taxes on corporate income & gains; social security contributions; and goods & services taxes (excluding VAT/GST).
» No revenues from payroll taxes.

However, the cumulative effect of low tax-to-GDP and Tory incompetence / mismanagement is: can't drive anywhere without damaging your car in a pot hole; can't get an appointment with the Dr; schools are crumbling; etc.

upward pressure on rents that can be charged, thank you Brexit for making us wealthier.

Honestly, you're a pantomime villain.

[Iliena]

Honestly, you're a pantomime villain.

A poor one at that Dick Dastardly twirling his moustache is more convincing.

[LeGin v3]

A poor one at that Dick Dastardly twirling his moustache is more convincing.

How many more signature quotes do you think we have to get before the point is rammed home?

[Iliena]

How many more signature quotes do you think we have to get before the point is rammed home?

He seems to be running on low power at the moment... Next time he ramps up I will try to add another!

He is probably crying in a dark room about Boris, seeing after the bad week at home has felt the need to go and visit uncle Donny in the US to talk about Ukraine ...I guess Volodymyr didn't pick up this time he needed a PR stunt!

[Huehuecoyotl]

The swing away from Brexit and towards the EU continues to gather pace:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...u-poll-reveals

53% of people want to have closer ties with the EU. Wow, that's even higher than the massive 52% that wanted Brexit in the first place! If that isn't a true democratic mandate, I don't know what is. Only 14% want us to move even further away, which really drives home the failure that Brexit has been. It's even getting through to the hardcore Brexiteers now.

Anything to say dribbles? Do you feel the numbers that share your views shrinking by the day? Feel the walls closing in around you? The only question that remains is whether we start to move back in the current parliament, as the Tories panic about being wiped out in the next election, or if we'll have to wait until we get a new government. Either way, it won't be long. Tick, and indeed, Tock.

[dribbles]

The swing away from Brexit and towards the EU continues to gather pace:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...u-poll-reveals

53% of people want to have closer ties with the EU. Wow, that's even higher than the massive 52% that wanted Brexit in the first place! If that isn't a true democratic mandate, I don't know what is. Only 14% want us to move even further away, which really drives home the failure that Brexit has been. It's even getting through to the hardcore Brexiteers now.

Anything to say dribbles? Do you feel the numbers that share your views shrinking by the day? Feel the walls closing in around you? The only question that remains is whether we start to move back in the current parliament, as the Tories panic about being wiped out in the next election, or if we'll have to wait until we get a new government. Either way, it won't be long. Tick, and indeed, Tock.

A biased poll by pro EU campaign group laughingly called "Best for Britain" unsurprisingly shows a little over half want closer ties to the EU. Even they dare not ask the question of their members "Do you want to rejoin the EU?"

Nothing to see there Huey and no like millions of others, far from the shackles of the EU walls closing in around us, each day that passes I celebrate being a little more freer. You should too.

Meanwhile more Brexit benefits and another vote of confidence in being ex-EU as...

Jaguar Land Rover picks Somerset in the UK for multi-billion-pound car battery plant

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jaguar-lan...4anU0hIKP8BErf

Thank you Brexit.

[Kiriastrasza]

The swing away from Brexit and towards the EU continues to gather pace:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...u-poll-reveals

53% of people want to have closer ties with the EU. Wow, that's even higher than the massive 52% that wanted Brexit in the first place! If that isn't a true democratic mandate, I don't know what is. Only 14% want us to move even further away, which really drives home the failure that Brexit has been. It's even getting through to the hardcore Brexiteers now.

Anything to say dribbles? Do you feel the numbers that share your views shrinking by the day? Feel the walls closing in around you? The only question that remains is whether we start to move back in the current parliament, as the Tories panic about being wiped out in the next election, or if we'll have to wait until we get a new government. Either way, it won't be long. Tick, and indeed, Tock.

You realise he's completely delusional and will only see it as fake news, The guy is quite literally in a Trump Supporter mind set and completely brainwashed.

[Huehuecoyotl]

A biased poll by pro EU campaign group laughingly called "Best for Britain" unsurprisingly shows a little over half want closer ties to the EU. Even they dare not ask the question of their members "Do you want to rejoin the EU?"

Nothing to see there Huey and no like millions of others, far from the shackles of the EU walls closing in around us, each day that passes I celebrate being a little more freer. You should too.

Meanwhile more Brexit benefits and another vote of confidence in being ex-EU as...

Jaguar Land Rover picks Somerset in the UK for multi-billion-pound car battery plant

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jaguar-lan...4anU0hIKP8BErf

Thank you Brexit.

Yes, it's Brexit that caused this to happen. Just Brexit. Nothing but Brexit.

The UK government offered incentives worth £500m to help Jaguar and Land Rover set up a new electric battery “giga-factory”.

Oh wait, what's this? So they are moving here purely because we offered them a huge bribe? So that gullible people can say that it's a "Brexit benefit"? And in the same article you quoted:

The decision by the Indian bluechip company would give a boost to the British car industry coming days after major automakers including Vauxhall owner Stellantis and Ford warned that looming post-Brexit trade rules risked making it unviable.

So Brexit only works if we spend tax payer money bribing companies. And even when we do, plenty of companies are saying it's STILL not worth it.

Once again a dribbles link undermines his own point. One day he'll read the shit he links.

[Nymrohd]

Oh wait, what's this? So they are moving here purely because we offered them a huge bribe? So that gullible people can say that it's a "Brexit benefit"?

I mean within the EU a massive bribe like this could be seen as unlawful. EU regulators have repeatedly gone after specific countries for similar practices with sadly mixed results.