View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #12041
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I was surprised by the latest polling which indicates that around 75% of Labour supporters want him to actually come.out against Brexit, thought it was more split than that. I've said this before but the problem for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour and the reason he can't fight Brexit (even if he wanted to....which he doesn't but anyway) is that they've maxed out their support, if they manage to force out another GE they won't fair any better so they cannot afford to lose the Brexiteers. Too many floating voters find Jeremy Corbyn too distateful to vote for but they would vote Labour in a heartbeat if it had a less divisive figurehead.

    The man is marmite, I like where he has pulled the party over to but they need someone more saleable to actually win a GE.
    Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.

    Corbyn's socialist Left Labour is just not going to get a majority without a major economic disaster. For Labour to be able to get a majority they need to be center-left. The working class alone is just too divided to get a majority without middle class support. In a different electoral system, I'd be very much in favour of Corbyn staying Corbyn; communist parties should exist to place pressure on the center left to actually act in the favor of the working class instead of issuing platitudes. But as it is now, neither of the two parties that have any chance of ruling the UK represent the middle class.
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2019-01-07 at 09:20 AM.
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  2. #12042
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.
    Because of Labour's behaviour over Brexit I'd love to vote Lib Dem, if a GE was called tomorrow though knowing that there is no support for Lib Dem in my constituency, when I got to the ballot box I'd go Labour. A Tory win is too dangerous for the country right now.

  3. #12043
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    The date that Mays deals gets voted down in Parliament has been set for the 15th of January.

    Let's see if she postpones it again.

  4. #12044
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.

    Corbyn's socialist Left Labour is just not going to get a majority without a major economic disaster.
    Well, then you should see why Corbyn is pro-Brexit... that's chance to unseat Tories and implement more radical left policies that wouldn't be available otherwise.

    For Labour to be able to get a majority they need to be center-left. The working class alone is just too divided to get a majority without middle class support. In a different electoral system, I'd be very much in favour of Corbyn staying Corbyn; communist parties should exist to place pressure on the center left to actually act in the favor of the working class instead of issuing platitudes. But as it is now, neither of the two parties that have any chance of ruling the UK represent the middle class.
    Divide-and-conquer left Tories with everyone divided and nothing to conquer?

  5. #12045
    Quote Originally Posted by Helden View Post
    The date that Mays deals gets voted down in Parliament has been set for the 15th of January.

    Let's see if she postpones it again.
    I mean, what happens then? Does someone just grab the comically large gavel and start beating her with it?
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  6. #12046
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    nice to see them practicing traffic jam queues today

  7. #12047
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    His policies are popular, the man himself is not.
    I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Heck in a poll we linked earlier in this thread, if there was a GE today and Labour failed to campaign in favour of a People's Vote, Lib Dem could actually overtake them.
    There is no way, people's vote or not, that the Lib Dems will overtake the Labour party.

  8. #12048
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.
    Nationalisation needs a little tempering. Never heard any quibbles about the rest.

  9. #12049
    Quote Originally Posted by Intersectional Gringo View Post
    I'm surprising labour is performing so poorly when the tories are fucking up brexit so much. People must really hate socialist Jeremy Corbyn.
    LOL. Outside of the US, the word "socialist" doesn't elicit a Pavlovian response.

    No, it's more likely his wishy-washy position on Brexit, and the usual infighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.
    Guess that's why May did so well out of her snap election.

    Oh wait lel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Well, then you should see why Corbyn is pro-Brexit... that's chance to unseat Tories and implement more radical left policies that wouldn't be available otherwise.
    Better watch out for the radical left says the guy whose country has Lenin's corpse in a glass box lol.
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  10. #12050
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Nationalisation needs a little tempering. Never heard any quibbles about the rest.
    Given that Corbyn has stated that nationalisation would essentially cost nothing when in reality it would cost hundreds of billions (I have read some estimates that the costs would be as high a trillion), which would increase the costs of servicing national debt and therefore place government finances under additional pressure, it is unsurprising that people have given little thought to the subject.

    I seem to recall their plan to force companies to give up 10% of equity and pay workers up to £500 for the privilege wasn't that popular nor was the idea of seizing privately owned property to give to the homeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Guess that's why May did so well out of her snap election.

    Oh wait lel.
    What? Do you have a point that is related to my post?

  11. #12051
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    What? Do you have a point that is related to my post?
    If the public hates Corbyn so much then how did he steal May's lunch, and despite everyone's dumping on Corbyn the Tories actually LOST ground?

    Need me to spell it out with even smaller words?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

  12. #12052
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    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

    This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

    Mental.


    Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

    https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920
    Last edited by mmoc6b1f2f8dff; 2019-01-07 at 03:50 PM.

  13. #12053
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    If the public hates Corbyn so much then how did he steal May's lunch, and despite everyone's dumping on Corbyn the Tories actually LOST ground?

    Need me to spell it out with even smaller words?
    He didn't. Labour lost.

    However that is besides the point as Kronik85 and I were talking about what is happening now in the UK and, for reasons known only unto yourself, you decided that the GE in 2017 somehow contradicts the current situation.

    No, thank you. You've made it quite clear, once again, that you do not know what you're talking about.

  14. #12054
    Quote Originally Posted by ctd123 View Post
    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

    This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

    Mental.


    Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

    https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920
    The amusing bit is... the EU doesn't give a shit. It's bureaucrats, they've prepared for almost 2 years for a no deal. How is this "scaring them" or in any other way helping... what case? The EU knew all this before, they're the ones that told the UK this would happen. Thanks for proving them right, I guess?
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  15. #12055
    Quote Originally Posted by ctd123 View Post
    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1082146978308476928

    This cost 50 grand and is proof Chris Grayling can't organise a traffic jam.

    Mental.


    Not sure if anyone has seen what the yellow vest cunts are up to today :

    https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/statu...83185159983104
    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/stat...88203187523589
    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...56193035345920
    At this point I am actually starting to fear we are only days or even weeks away from another Jo Cox incident with how more and more they are getting riled up.

  16. #12056
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    At this point I am actually starting to fear we are only days or even weeks away from another Jo Cox incident with how more and more they are getting riled up.
    Was that the woman that was shot?
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  17. #12057
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Was that the woman that was shot?
    Yeah shot and stabbed by a far right maniac

  18. #12058
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Given that Corbyn has stated that nationalisation would essentially cost nothing when in reality it would cost hundreds of billions (I have read some estimates that the costs would be as high a trillion), which would increase the costs of servicing national debt and therefore place government finances under additional pressure, it is unsurprising that people have given little thought to the subject.

    I seem to recall their plan to force companies to give up 10% of equity and pay workers up to £500 for the privilege wasn't that popular nor was the idea of seizing privately owned property to give to the homeless.?
    Sorry should of said Manifesto rather than policies earlier. Using https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39933116 to give it all a refresh and unless you are ideologically opposed to renationalisation or earn over 80k then it's a good manifesto.

    The Independent has some polling of opinions on said manifesto and they appear to be popular.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7731536.html

    For something anecdotal I'm all for renationalising the railways (from what I understand it's franchised, renationalisation is simply a case of letting existing franchise agreements expire) and then my enthusiasm wanes.

  19. #12059
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    He didn't. Labour lost.

    However that is besides the point as Kronik85 and I were talking about what is happening now in the UK and, for reasons known only unto yourself, you decided that the GE in 2017 somehow contradicts the current situation.

    No, thank you. You've made it quite clear, once again, that you do not know what you're talking about.
    The result of the general election was a hung parliament, which is generally considered a tie.

    That said, regardless of whether Labour won or lost, that isn't the issue. The issue is whether they would be more effective with a centre-left leader.

    Let's look at the evidence:

    1. In the 2017 General Election Jeremy Corbyn's Labour performed noticeably better than in the previous two elections led by centre-leftists.
    2. The centre-left Liberal Democrat party was wiped out.
    3. Hypothetical match-ups with centre-leftist candidates showed Corbyn being substantially more popular than any of them, including Tony Blair, Labour's most successful leader ever.
    4. Corbyn won two leadership elections against multiple centre-left candidates.
    5. In 2010 and 2015 Labour's middle-class vote held up quite well, but the working-classes did not turn out.

    In short, the fact that Corbyn is preferable to any centre-left leader is one of a few absolute certainties in British politics.

    The current situation is that the polls show the main parties in a statistical dead-heat. This probably means Labour are ahead: they have a significant number of voters who distrust pollsters and won't talk to them, which caused the pollsters to massively understate Labour support in 2017.

  20. #12060
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I see little evidence that Labour policies are popular outside core Labour supporters and from what I read business in general is terrified of a Corbyn government.
    How about this article in the Financial Times? https://www.ft.com/content/f2632c6e-...9-37318e776bab

    Or this article from Jeffrey Archer, explaining how he would vote for Corbyn if he lived in the North of England. https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...archer-id-vote

    Or this video from Gyles Brandreth (a staunch Tory himself) asking for opinions on Labour policies without telling people that they are linked to Corbyn? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg

    It's amazing what evidence you can find if you just look for it for a short time.
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