[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Gibblewink]

I voted the hard crash out, not because it is what I want but because it is the only option the Commons seem able to choose.
-Revoking 50 would get them blamed for betraying ze people.
-Agreeing on anything resembling a deal acceptable to the EU is apparently beyond them.
-Fucking about and getting the EU to deny an extension, then wasting what time remains until they crash out however will end the current impasse and allow the Commons to blame the EU for being meanies while they get to claim to have championed the peoples' will.

[Kronik85]

Sure, if you continue to pay your share for my club (formerly our club) and follow all the rules of my club (formerly our club). Of course I won't let you help with the rules going forward, so expect a few changes here and there.

Well you're just being intransigent now. I'll just go to the US and China who I have no doubt will offer me membership to their clubs on much better terms than I ever got out of ours.

[Slant]

Well you're just being intransigent now. I'll just go to the US and China who I have no doubt will offer me membership to their clubs on much better terms than I ever got out of ours.

You do that. But I should warn you, I heard the US club requires you to sign a liability waiver and undress before entering the members-only area. As for the Chinese... Nobody but the Chinese know what's inside. But what we do know is that everyone coming out of the club says the exact same thing about the club. Literally. Word for word.

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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ng-more-shares

British citizens who own shares in Ryanair will be barred from buying more stock, voting on company resolutions or attending annual shareholder meetings if a no-deal Brexit goes ahead, the Dublin-based carrier said on Monday.

I'm not sure I understand how "taking back control" is supposed to work...

What I'm sure of is Brexiteers spinning this as a good thing, because Ryanair is collaborating with the enemy.

[Kronik85]

You do that. But I should warn you, I heard the US club requires you to sign a liability waiver and undress before entering the members-only area. As for the Chinese... Nobody but the Chinese know what's inside. But what we do know is that everyone coming out of the club says the exact same thing about the club. Literally. Word for word.

Well this is a bit embarrassing but the wifes nagging me. She thinks we had a really good thing going in the club and she's not best pleased about leaving. I think we are going to to have to put this on hold whilst we work this out, so I'll get back to you on this in a few weeks (possibly years, I mean wives eh? Who'd 'av 'em?).

[Slant]

Well this is a bit embarrassing but the wifes nagging me. She thinks we had a really good thing going in the club and she's not best pleased about leaving. I think we are going to to have to put this on hold whilst we work this out, so I'll get back to you on this in a few weeks (possibly years, I mean wives eh? Who'd 'av 'em?).

Uh, the problem is... when we order beverages, we kinda need to know how many we're ordering for. Soo... would you mind... if it wouldn't terribly inconvenience you... just to decide now? We kinda have to do this order now. Like, talk it over with your lady.. perhaps try to convince her?

In other news, How To Make Friends, The British Way:

https://www.news18.com/news/india/in...t-2072321.html

London: The UK government admitted on Tuesday that India is not the first tier country for post-Brexit free trade agreement (FTA) and a lot more work would be required before Britain can start negotiating such a deal with India.

Doesn't quite sound like someone's desperate enough to make trade agreements. I mean, hey, now's the time to be picky, isn't it?

[Kronik85]

Uh, the problem is... when we order beverages, we kinda need to know how many we're ordering for. Soo... would you mind... if it wouldn't terribly inconvenience you... just to decide now? We kinda have to do this order now. Like, talk it over with your lady.. perhaps try to convince her?

Well it's going to take some time, I'm on the couch tonight but tomorrow I'll buy her some flowers and I'm sure she will change her mind about it. Please remember that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if you'd simply abandon all of the clubs rules so I could get my way.

[Dhrizzle]

What you think will happen.

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Just guess, it's not like it has consequences. I'm just curious if we can collectively guess the outcome.

I followed my gut and went for crash out.

[Slant]

Well it's going to take some time, I'm on the couch tonight but tomorrow I'll buy her some flowers and I'm sure she will change her mind about it. Please remember that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if you'd simply abandon all of the clubs rules so I could get my way.

But it's a club about having rules. Getting rid of the rules kind of defeats the purpose of the club. What do you want to do without rules in a club about having rules? Get back to me on that...

[Pannonian]

Where's the "Hard Brexit + England will outcompete every other nation on earth within a week, and everyone gets an unicorn" option? Last time that one got the majority.

[luc54]

Just a little over a week, super exciting! If this becomes a success, which it will, we can expect other countries to follow.
The entire future of the EU depends on bringing the UK to the abyss.

Communist joining hard right wingers to cheer on Britain falling apart thanks to their own incompetency. If EU is such a shithole, why haven't you moved to countries of your dream China/Russia?

Also do you normally leave clubs and expect them to give exact same benefits even when you leave the said club and don't pay them?

[Acidbaron]

Britain won't fall, the EU will fall. Rightfully so, after appeasing Hitler it's the biggest mistake Western European countries ever made.
The EU doesn't work in the benefit of its citizens. It works for US and German companies and the people are the victims.


Wow, such an educated level of arguments! It's not going to save your EU though, its days are numbered.

Are you fucking kidding me you want the EU to fall you Russian communist dredge?

And you wonder why we used to hang and assinate your kind, can't say my granddad was wrong would have even loaded to gun to deal with such anarchists.

And yeah if shit is so bad fucking move don't be a gonad less sack, and sit here enjoying our earned wealth, peace and freedom and shout bullshit but nah that would take a spine now wouldn't it Skippy something the dark red lacks completely it's nice to move on ideology when you don't have to pay a personal price, as a grand child of a person Victim of communism, I hope at one point you or those you love have to pay for your stupidity.

[luc54]

Yes, I absolutely want the EU to fall.
It's a right-winged dictatorship that slowly destroys the entire European continent.

And my wish is coming true. Once people see that Brexit isn't so bad, other countries will follow.
I suspect France will be next, perhaps Italy and Greece.
Benelux will quickly follow once it's just them, Germany and central-Europe.

It took way too long, but finally the goal of destroying the EU will be achieved.

This is the reason why I hate anarchists. You just want society collapse. What's the difference between you, ISIS and far-right terrorists? Fucking nothing, you just want people to suffer.

Calling EU dictatorship is laughable. If you feel it's too right wing, feel free to vote left wingers in the upcoming EU election. How hard that can be? You can be actually a person that builds things rather than destroys them.

[Acidbaron]

Yes, I absolutely want the EU to fall.
It's a right-winged dictatorship that slowly destroys the entire European continent.

And my wish is coming true. Once people see that Brexit isn't so bad, other countries will follow.
I suspect France will be next, perhaps Italy and Greece.
Benelux will quickly follow once it's just them, Germany and central-Europe.

It took way too long, but finally the goal of destroying the EU will be achieved.

Jij bent een blinde idioot als je denkt dat vernieling van een vrede project een vruchtbare grond gaat leveren, enigste wat je bent aant uitnodiging is dat je kinderen en kleinkinderen slaven worden van een regime jou bloodlijn altijd ge spaard is van gebleven je hebt geen iota besef waar je voor een juichen bent, niks nul komma nul.

[luc54]

I'm not an anarchist, I just want to get rid of the EU.
Are the people fighting against Assad anarchists too because they want to get rid of an oppressive regime?

So do you support the US bombing of terrorists (I mean enemies of S.A.) in Syria then? Make up your mind

You might laugh, but you can't hide the tears.
There is too little transparency, too little democracy.


“If voting made any difference, it would be illegal”

It's always a good quote.. Voting in the EU doesn't matter. They have no power, they have no influence.
The people with power to change things don't give a fuck because they know that people will never revolt. Not here.
I am all for building a better society, and the EU is standing in the way of this because it doesn't allow people to build anything. The EU is there to please lobbyists and corporations and you can only fight this hydra by cutting off all of its heads.

I'm not so sure if you are such a good judge of democracy , didn't you call China one in some topic a month or two ago? How's that explainable? Do you also thing North Korea and USSR were/are democrasies? You are so incosistent here it's laughable.

[Acidbaron]

I'm not an anarchist, I just want to get rid of the EU.
Are the people fighting against Assad anarchists too because they want to get rid of an oppressive regime?

You might laugh, but you can't hide the tears.
There is too little transparency, too little democracy.


“If voting made any difference, it would be illegal”

It's always a good quote.. Voting in the EU doesn't matter. They have no power, they have no influence.
The people with power to change things don't give a fuck because they know that people will never revolt. Not here.
I am all for building a better society, and the EU is standing in the way of this because it doesn't allow people to build anything. The EU is there to please lobbyists and corporations and you can only fight this hydra by cutting off all of its heads.

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There's a rule about posting in English.
On the other hand there's also a rule about not making death threats to people and you seem to ignore that one too.

The EU is not a project of peace.
The EU is a project of US imperialism, it's a project of capitalism.

You know how liberals always threaten that companies would just run away with all their money if we don't lower their taxes?
That's only possible because of the EU and it's free flow of capital.

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-ho...ere-i-leave-eu

You should listen to this interview, it's amazing.

PS. You can continue to be mad as much as you want, it won't save the EU. It's as good as dead and I am happily one of the people who pulls the plug.

I didn't make any death threats so fuck off trying to pull that shit out of the hat.

What is your actual experience with communism you spoiled western purely ideogical college boy? Go on tell me when and where did you experience what you promote?

Its not going to die and you know what else you fake commie all your doing is deep throating wilders every time you cheer for it's destruction well ain't that a bitch now isn't it.

[luc54]

No, not at all. The US doesn't fight terrorism there, the US fights for their self-interest. It's why we are in this mess in the first place and Europe has to pay for it (after the Middle East of course).

The part "(enemies of Saudi Arabia)" clearly implies they are there to fight for Wahhabists interests. In this case it means I'm not really big fan of them.

How is any of that a defense for the undemocratic system of the EU?
But to answer your question: The policies enacted by the Chinese government have the support of the majority of the country.
Can you honestly say that about the EU? Or your own country?

I mean you can go read eurobarometer here

Trust in the EU remains higher than trust in national governments or parliaments. 42% of Europeans trust the European Union, while 35% trust their national parliament and their national government (+1 percentage point in both cases compared to spring 2018).

There's plenty of other information about trut in EU but clearly above reflects people seem to trust EU rather a lot. Also it seems people feel that they can effect EU more than ever before. Funny that it's exactly opposite of your drivel.

[Slant]

Ok, that's enough. Kangodo is on my ignore list, anarchist shitposters really are not worth reading.

[Xarkan]

You clearly did and everyone can see it. Flaming is against the rules too, so that's another report.
I sadly haven't experienced it, but hopefully we will soon. That's the goal after the EU has collapsed. Okay, first we need to destroy NATO too.
Or do you know an English/Dutch speaking socialist nation? I would LOVE to go there.

i thought he roughly said [google translated]

You are a blind idiot if you think that destruction of a peace project is going to provide fertile ground, the only thing you are concerned about is that your children and grandchildren become slaves to a regime. where you are for a cheer, nothing zero comma zero.

Where is the death threat? Flaming is even debatable

[Magicpot]

Wouldn't it be a better idea, in terms of the future health and prosperity of the EU, to address the reasons why the countries flirting with idea of leaving the EU are doing so instead trying to make an example of those that do leave?

The problem is these reasons are largely fueled by ignorance and not something you can really address without fundamentally changing what the EU is

[Shalcker]

The US may gain a short term advantage in trade, yes. But long-term, the US would be losing. The EU is emerging right now, a strong EU can control Russia on its own.

Come on, there got to be a limit...

"Control" how exactly?

And the EU is going to be weaker than it was before. We'll see just how weak when we figure out how the EU uses this opportunity to reform itself.

The result is unlikely to emerge stronger then "EU with UK", no matter the reforms.

All in all, Brexit is causing a lot of problems, just because a handful of people were bored enough to incite an entire nation. With the help of the local fucked up hippie media.

All in all, Brexit happened because British couldn't continue to have their way in EU on a few key issues.

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But they can give you answers. Bendy bananas!

Freedom of movement, duh.

That also directly ties to sovereignty, btw. Control of who gets in is one of key features.

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There's plenty of other information about trut in EU but clearly above reflects people seem to trust EU rather a lot. Also it seems people feel that they can effect EU more than ever before. Funny that it's exactly opposite of your drivel.

If you would look at individual countries though you would see plenty going down significantly, like Italy.

And it's not "EU overall" that would do the leaving.