[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[LeGin Tufnel]

C'mon @Vermented

Just one sentence that's grammatical. Can you manage it?

[Vermented]

No. Let's start with you.

You wrote:

When you life in a democracy it's your duty to make balanced choices. The more intelligent people are usually more aware of that necessity.

Literally, what you wrote is ungrammatical. Try again and let's have a proper debate.

Grammernazi.... You're not getting away with this, though i really don't give anything about you hehehe.

I'm not English so i don't give a F.

[Slant]

When you life in a democracy it's your duty to make balanced choices. The more intelligent people are usually more aware of that necessity.

Most people don't have the time to research everything they would need to research in order to make informed decisions. The goal is not to make a "balanced" decision, the goal is to make an informed decision. Balance has nothing to do with it.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Grammernazi.... You're not getting away with this, though i really don't give anything about you hehehe.

I'm not English so i don't give a F.

Yes. I think we've gathered you don't give a fuck.

Which is exactly why there are very little fucks to be given about anything you have to offer to the debate.

[Vermented]

Most people don't have the time to research everything they would need to research in order to make informed decisions. The goal is not to make a "balanced" decision, the goal is to make an informed decision. Balance has nothing to do with it.

Every choice has "pro's" and "con's". Those who can't find the balance in that are not that intelligent.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Most people don't have the time to research everything they would need to research in order to make informed decisions. The goal is not to make a "balanced" decision, the goal is to make an informed decision. Balance has nothing to do with it.

No, Slant. The emphasis is on a) UK being a representative democracy and b) referenda being instruments of dictators.

And I, for one, am fucking bored with trolls in this thread nation-bashing. So - he can fuck off.

Anything more to say @Vermented?

Like to have a pop? Go on.

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Every choice has "pro's" and "con's". Those who can't find the balance in that are not that intelligent.

You're trolling. Fuck off.

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The time has come for people to stop hiding behind avatars on the internet. OK?

You want to say you want the British out of the EU? Fair enough. I've got more respect for Acidbaron who comes out and says it. I have much sympathy with the poster's viewpoint. Can the UK in its current state ever be a worthwhile contributor? Probably not.

But do fuck off with the snarky, "they're all thick" bullshit. It's just fucking crap.

[dribbles]

Tee hee. Given up on your "no deal will happen you can't stop it" and now you are relying on an election to get your dream for you? Tories are the only party that will stand on anything but the softest of possible Brexits. They might be the only one that will stand without a promise of a second referendum. It will still be BINO or nothing at the end of it. But at least you've started to shift your expectations. We will get you back to reality one small step at a time.

Given up, never. Boles has resigned, Grieve faces a vote of no confidence from his association on, get this, March 29th and this is just the beginning. Boris is on manoeuvres, (excuse the French), I dunno if you are blind or choosing to look the other way but without doubt the Tories are quickly moving further away from remaining towards a clean brexit.

No deal is not just on the table, it is the damn table.

The democratic will of the people will prevail. So tee hee to me yes, a yah boo for you too!

[LeGin Tufnel]

FFS

You two need to get a room.

What's with all this tee-heeing? It's worse than listening to the pillow talk of two love-stricken teenagers.

Apologies for my bad temper this eve... nociceptive pain.

[AeneasBK]

Yep, exactly.

You can debate her exact position on the list of worst PM ever, but the general jist is she's been pretty fucking bad.

That's all I meant really; I hadn't meant for it to come off like some kind of "actually she didn't do/isn't doing too badly" at all. Just I feel, even if it may be a 'done and dusted' affair, that Cameron doesn't nearly get enough shit for the on-going situation. And I get flinging shit at him doesn't achieve anything. Still.

[LeGin Tufnel]

are we dead yet?

A bit like punk: not quite, but we stink a bit.

You should have claimed asylum in whatever country it was you working in.

[dribbles]

FFS

You two need to get a room.

What's with all this tee-heeing? It's worse than listening to the pillow talk of two love-stricken teenagers.

Apologies for my bad temper this eve... nociceptive pain.

Oh LeGin cheer up, all this talk of Theresa May being the worst PM ever, worse than Blair, worse than Brown, Cameron,Major have I missed any? Makes you wish Maggie was back in charge doesn't it? There was someone that could swing a handbag...

Anyhow you being a musical chap and all here's a tune for your pain, nurofen at the ready for afterwards

[LeGin Tufnel]

/snip

Ha.

That's very well done. Who is this guy?

[dribbles]

Ha.

That's very well done. Who is this guy?

I dunno, he wasn't at the London gathering yesterday? Guess he is the voice of 17+ million people lol

[LeGin Tufnel]

I dunno, he wasn't at the London gathering yesterday? Guess he is the voice of 17+ million people lol

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In short:



P.S. anyone with a vague interest in Spinal Tap, please take a sec to watch this

[Slant]

Every choice has "pro's" and "con's". Those who can't find the balance in that are not that intelligent.

Again, it is not a question of balance. It's a question of making the right choice, that's why we call it an informed decision.

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No, Slant. The emphasis is on a) UK being a representative democracy and b) referenda being instruments of dictators.

Well, yes. And no. But I know what you mean. Don't let the Swiss hear you, though.

And I think you've heard all the people's "UK out" stuff by now. There won't be much more of it. Most people don't want the UK out, I'm fairly certain @Acidbaron isn't outright arguing to kick the UK out no matter what. I'm ambivalent on that matter myself. In its current political state? Useless. Undemocratic. Couldn't join the EU if they had to apply for it. But I believe the UK can do better than t his. And I'm sure Acidbaron wouldn't be as dramatic as he sounded the last time if he didn't have to read the bullshit these Russian trollbots are writing "on behalf" of the British people. I mean look at Dribbles, he pretends to be British but everytime he posts, you sense he just wants the country to burn. And the EU along with it.

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The perfect description of what's wrong with Brexit. This is why modern democracies only allow destructive votes (delete X, in this case membership) in very rare cases. I.e. you can't just call on a vote to remove something unless you want to replace it with something constructive, something better or equal but more tailored to the modern age.

[dribbles]

Again, it is not a question of balance. It's a question of making the right choice, that's why we call it an informed decision.

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Well, yes. And no. But I know what you mean. Don't let the Swiss hear you, though.

And I think you've heard all the people's "UK out" stuff by now. There won't be much more of it. Most people don't want the UK out, I'm fairly certain @Acidbaron isn't outright arguing to kick the UK out no matter what. I'm ambivalent on that matter myself. In its current political state? Useless. Undemocratic. Couldn't join the EU if they had to apply for it. But I believe the UK can do better than t his. And I'm sure Acidbaron wouldn't be as dramatic as he sounded the last time if he didn't have to read the bullshit these Russian trollbots are writing "on behalf" of the British people. I mean look at Dribbles, he pretends to be British but everytime he posts, you sense he just wants the country to burn. And the EU along with it.

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The perfect description of what's wrong with Brexit. This is why modern democracies only allow destructive votes (delete X, in this case membership) in very rare cases. I.e. you can't just call on a vote to remove something unless you want to replace it with something constructive, something better or equal but more tailored to the modern age.

/Yawn. Cartoons about roundabouts from the FT is what you EU anti-democrats and remainers have now to resort to? Desperate.

The roundabout didn't have 5 exits, it had 2. Let's remind ourselves of those...

[zealo]

The roundabout had more than 2 exits, because "leave the European Union" is incredibly vague about what that actually means about the future relationship between Britain and the EU

[Shalcker]

The roundabout had more than 2 exits, because "leave the European Union" is incredibly vague about what that actually means about the future relationship between Britain and the UK.

It is pretty specific turn that once made can split to different routes.

It is clear that decision not to continue on the old road have been made though.

[Slant]

/Yawn. Cartoons about roundabouts from the FT is what you EU anti-democrats and remainers have now to resort to? Desperate.

The roundabout didn't have 5 exits, it had 2. Let's remind ourselves of those...

See, you think trying to discredit the FT is somehow scoring points, but you're really just looking like a fool. And since you haven't paid attention, what you think "leave the European Union" means is not what the other Brexiteers think it means. You're in the minority.

So to use your language... clinging to a bad poll technique a first-semester statistician would have been chased out of uni for is what you're resorting to? Desperate.

[Dhrizzle]

/Yawn. Cartoons about roundabouts from the FT is what you EU anti-democrats and remainers have now to resort to? Desperate.

The roundabout didn't have 5 exits, it had 2. Let's remind ourselves of those...

So if we got a Norway-style arrangement - kept paying into the EU, kept following all EU regulations, keep free movement of people and join Schengen - that would be completely okay with Brexit supporters because we would no longer be members of the European Union?