View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #15241
    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    That's "request a short extension to plan for no deal, offer to pay for one year transition, go for no deal immediately afterwards" - completely idiotic in every way from the moment it was conceived and something the EU would never, ever agree to.


    Good for them, who else cares?
    The current PM and probably the future PM.

  2. #15242
    And when the extension is denied there’s two options. Hard brexit or revoking A50. Today’s vote showed that the majority rejects a hard brexit. Connect the dots.

  3. #15243
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm not so sure. May definitely wants parliament to take control so the blame can be placed on their collective heads and not just Con party. I don't think any PM would rescind A50 and then call a GE as it would likely see their party destroyed in the election.

    With regard to a 2nd ref I think she was banking on her deal being defeated and Lab then tabling a motion for one for remain and her deal (if remain won she would be able to blame Lab for taking Brexit away from the people and if her deal passed she would be proved right) but this has not happened.
    I did mention that the "what should happen" part of my post required a PM with integrity. We don't have that. You hit the nail on th head when you described her strategy to avoid blame, which unfortunately is the position of the rest of The House too.

    I said it before, I'll say it again. Lightweights. The lot of them.

  4. #15244
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    And when the extension is denied there’s two options. Hard brexit or revoking A50. Today’s vote showed that the majority rejects a hard brexit. Connect the dots.
    They reject a hard brexit in a non-binding vote does not mean they have the stones to revoke A50
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  5. #15245
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    And when the extension is denied there’s two options. Hard brexit or revoking A50. Today’s vote showed that the majority rejects a hard brexit. Connect the dots.
    Voting in non-binding amendment against no-deal is a very different prospect to voting to rescind A50.

  6. #15246
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    They reject a hard brexit in a non-binding vote does not mean they have the stones to revoke A50
    Not sure why you keep repeating that it was non-binding. That part was obvious. The majority realises that it’ll be more devastating with a hard brexit.

    I’m not saying A50 is revoked. But with Brexiteers lobbying for vetos against extension, that might be the only 2 options on the table.

  7. #15247
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    I did mention that the "what should happen" part of my post required a PM with integrity. We don't have that. You hit the nail on th head when you described her strategy to avoid blame, which unfortunately is the position of the rest of The House too.

    I said it before, I'll say it again. Lightweights. The lot of them.
    The problem being with that is that many people still want Brexit therefore I cannot see any PM, past or present, taking that course of action (granted many of our past PMs would not have got themselves in this position in the first place).

    No disagreement on that one from me.

  8. #15248
    But I do want to add that the lobbying for vetos against an extension is pathetic, why on earth would any eu country support something that potentially would hurt their economy. Brexiteers are delusional.

  9. #15249
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The problem being with that is that many people still want Brexit therefore I cannot see any PM, past or present, taking that course of action (granted many of our past PMs would not have got themselves in this position in the first place).

    No disagreement on that one from me.
    It's difficult to pull an analogue since this crisis is unique but other PMs have resigned over less. Even The Pig Fucker managed some level of decorum when he resigned after losing. A PM, any PM knows that at this point they could rescind A50 saying they couldn't inflict such massive damage to the UK without a clear majority in Parliament and from the people then shield our democracy by sacrificing themselves.

    Will this happen? No of course not.

    Edit:. Eden and the Suez Crisis maybe? As the closest analogue. May has acted almost unilaterally in trying to force her deal through and she's wasted near 4 months in what can be best described as contempt of parliament.
    Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-03-13 at 09:35 PM.

  10. #15250
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Not sure why you keep repeating that it was non-binding. That part was obvious. The majority realises that it’ll be more devastating with a hard brexit.

    I’m not saying A50 is revoked. But with Brexiteers lobbying for vetos against extension, that might be the only 2 options on the table.
    Glad you are agreeing with me and many others that the only way to stop no deal is to revoke Article 50. And our parliament don't have the minerals to do that...all they can do is piss about with advisories as shown today...

    All on course for that sweet sweet no deal Brexit on March 29th, steady as she goes.... Tick tock.
    Brexiteers are the new remainers. To remain outside of the EU.

  11. #15251
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    But I do want to add that the lobbying for vetos against an extension is pathetic, why on earth would any eu country support something that potentially would hurt their economy. Brexiteers are delusional.
    And beyond that, doing so would anger every other country in the EU and the countries in question have little political capital to spend.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  12. #15252
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    It's difficult to pull an analogue since this crisis is unique but other PMs have resigned over less. Even The Pig Fucker managed some level of decorum when he resigned after losing. A PM, any PM knows that at this point they could rescind A50 saying they couldn't inflict such massive damage to the UK without a clear majority in Parliament and from the people then shield our democracy by sacrificing themselves.

    Will this happen? No of course not.
    True, but most resignations have been to limit damage to their party rescinding A50 would be political suicide. May's resignation wouldn't actually solve the problem and doing so after rescinding A50 would most likely only serve to exacerbate leave voters' concerns.

  13. #15253
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    The current PM
    I'll repeat, good for them, who else cares?

    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    and probably the future PM
    Lets see how long they manage to last in that situation

  14. #15254
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    May has acted almost unilaterally in trying to force her deal through and she's wasted near 4 months in what can be best described as contempt of parliament.
    Putting aside feelings about May, what else could she do? It's taken almost two years to agree this deal with the EU and with the clock ticking there is no consensus within parliament as to what they want to take its place.

  15. #15255
    So the final tally is not 312-308 but 321-278? That seems a far more comfortable majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Putting aside feelings about May, what else could she do? It's taken almost two years to agree this deal with the EU and with the clock ticking there is no consensus within parliament as to what they want to take its place.
    Plus the EU is clear this is the only deal available. May dares only mention Remain as a threat, never as an option and I frankly do not see that changing.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  16. #15256
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    So the final tally is not 312-308 but 321-278? That seems a far more comfortable majority.
    The first vote was to allow the amendment, ruling out no-deal at anytime not just March 29th, to the second vote. It was quite confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Plus the EU is clear this is the only deal available. May dares only mention Remain as a threat, never as an option and I frankly do not see that changing.
    Indeed. I think the EU could be receptive to a sensible alternative but parliament is too busy telling everyone what they don't want instead of trying to come up with an alternative.

  17. #15257
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    True, but most resignations have been to limit damage to their party rescinding A50 would be political suicide. May's resignation wouldn't actually solve the problem and doing so after rescinding A50 would most likely only serve to exacerbate leave voters' concerns.
    I'm not touting human sacrifice as a silver bullet to our situation but if we are being real about this then no one is walking out of this happy. If we do have Brexit then 48% of the country will lose their shit, if we don't then 52% will do the same. No matter which way this cookie crumbles faith in our political class has been completely wiped out and it's getting a drubbing either way.

    If a PM was to essentially offer themselves up to draw a line under this though then that might just be the beginnings of a very project in restoring faith in our Parliament.

  18. #15258
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Putting aside feelings about May, what else could she do?
    Change her red lines?

  19. #15259
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Glad you are agreeing with me and many others that the only way to stop no deal is to revoke Article 50. And our parliament don't have the minerals to do that...all they can do is piss about with advisories as shown today...

    All on course for that sweet sweet no deal Brexit on March 29th, steady as she goes.... Tick tock.
    Looking forward to your silly excuses in April ;-) 29th march is not happening.

    BTW did you dig up the imaginary links to EUs recession (depression) ?

  20. #15260
    I'm guessing the Brexiteers aren't very happy right now.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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