View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #15261
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaira View Post
    They generally don’t but you get some of the olders being absolutely proud of what they’re doing stopping yourself from wiping their smug grins is hard daily ongoing task.

    I’m generally not a violent person but Brexiteers spouting pride makes my blood boil.

    Anyway by 3rd May I’ll no longer be in England 2 weeks left of my notice to go after this week then 10 days to settle everything up and leave I cannot wait to put this behind me.
    Heck, some people would like to move there for the fjords alone. But you've got an actual reason! Interestingly, it looks like you'll be enjoying two weeks of British "independence" before leaving then. Let us know how that goes.
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  2. #15262
    Quote Originally Posted by toastmasta View Post
    They come across like everyone else until you start talking politics. They aren't monsters or anything-the ones I know are actually better people than most remainers in most other ways.
    I wouldn't know, the main contacts I have are business contacts. Naturally, they are a bit more pro-EU, since they actually know what the EU does for them, ie. doing trade with us. Granted, some on here may think that's not a desireable thing, but funnily our business partners don't agree.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if after leaving (if we even leave) there will be a campaign to rejoin and it'll be successful. Except we'll not get the same deal we had previously and join the Euro.

    And I doubt people like Farage/JRM etc would even care. They'll make their money when we crash out and that'll be that, they'll skulk off into the shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkles View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if after leaving (if we even leave) there will be a campaign to rejoin and it'll be successful. Except we'll not get the same deal we had previously and join the Euro.

    And I doubt people like Farage/JRM etc would even care. They'll make their money when we crash out and that'll be that, they'll skulk off into the shadows.
    Why skulk off when you have an opportunity to make more money while rejoining? See, these criminals don't care which way stuff goes, but whenever you have a monumental shift in the economy, there is opportunity to make money. Their only goal is to shake things up and destabilise stuff, preferably in a way that they can predict.
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    1st of april tomorrow, what jokes will our beloved House of Commons come up with ?

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    They ought to just vote something binding through and then have everybody sit and wonder if this was an April-fools joke gone wrong.

  7. #15267
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    1st of april tomorrow, what jokes will our beloved House of Commons come up with ?
    A 4th vote with the option to remain and May going "psyche!" before having the vote on her deal... again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    A 4th vote with the option to remain and May going "psyche!" before having the vote on her deal... again.
    hmmm, Bercow will not allow a 4th vote anyway unless the motion is different. but if commons is so divided, a PV may gain support as failsafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    hmmm, Bercow will not allow a 4th vote anyway unless the motion is different. but if commons is so divided, a PV may gain support as failsafe.
    4th, 5th, 6th It's not going to help. The UK is going to hard brexit in all the chaos on 12 april, and if they're really lucky they can gather enough mp's to cancel brexit all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermented View Post
    4th, 5th, 6th It's not going to help. The UK is going to hard brexit in all the chaos on 12 april, and if they're really lucky they can gather enough mp's to cancel brexit all together.
    the brexit process should gain momentun, in whatever direction it may be. as long as HoC strikes off certain options it forces itself also to think about those options left.
    some fog should disappear with fewer options in those indicative votes tomorrow; hopefully Bercow weeds out the really silly ones.

  11. #15271
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    He shouldn't have allowed the third vote tbh.
    No choice really. Not enough authority to defy a Govt backed deal if they play by the rules and they did. He might be able to stop the 4th if there is nothing the Govt can change enough to meet Bercow's ruling.

  12. #15272
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Splitting something in parts doesn't really change it imo.
    I think it's fair to say that the Govt wasn't playing within the spirit of The Speakers ruling. But they did abide by it technically, or at least enough to muddy the waters so that it would be Bercow who caught flak for shutting it down.

  13. #15273
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    hmmm, Bercow will not allow a 4th vote anyway unless the motion is different. but if commons is so divided, a PV may gain support as failsafe.
    ...am I the only one who thinks Bercow in Parlament shouting "oooordaaaaah! OOOOooordahhhHHH!", his overly emotive "DIVISOOOOONclearthelobby!" and his weird smirky smugness comes off as Terry Jones doing a Monty Python skit IRL? >.>

  14. #15274
    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    ...am I the only one who thinks Bercow in Parlament shouting "oooordaaaaah! OOOOooordahhhHHH!", his overly emotive "DIVISOOOOONclearthelobby!" and his weird smirky smugness comes off as Terry Jones doing a Monty Python skit IRL? >.>
    I have watched a few other speakers, in the hopes they were as entertaining... they looked like overwhelmed kindergarten teachers not being able to control the coffeinated kid party whirling around them. This doesn't affect me, but Bercow certainly looks more in control than his predecessors.

    I remember one dude in particular, a very gentle elderly person going "order.. o-o-order.. order" in a very timid and friendly don't-want-to-disturb voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post
    ...am I the only one who thinks Bercow in Parlament shouting "oooordaaaaah! OOOOooordahhhHHH!", his overly emotive "DIVISOOOOONclearthelobby!" and his weird smirky smugness comes off as Terry Jones doing a Monty Python skit IRL? >.>
    afaik it is his last term as Speaker anyway, so he doesnt seem to give a fuck now. GE, which will happen likely, will end his term also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I remember one dude in particular, a very gentle elderly person going "order.. o-o-order.. order" in a very timid and friendly don't-want-to-disturb voice.
    Ahh, Michael Martin. He was pretty spineless and let the Labour government get away with just about anything.

    Bercow may end up staying longer than the summer, partially due to the fact Brexit demands a strong Speaker to get through this mess and partially because there are elements of the Conservative government to deny him life peerage, which is traditionally bestowed upon a retiring Speaker.

    His level of confidence and "honey badger don't care" esque attitude is exactly what the House needs. He's truly delivered a sense of neutrality in his proceedings, and the Commons will be worse off when he goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Ahh, Michael Martin. He was pretty spineless and let the Labour government get away with just about anything.

    Bercow may end up staying longer than the summer, partially due to the fact Brexit demands a strong Speaker to get through this mess and partially because there are elements of the Conservative government to deny him life peerage, which is traditionally bestowed upon a retiring Speaker.

    His level of confidence and "honey badger don't care" esque attitude is exactly what the House needs. He's truly delivered a sense of neutrality in his proceedings, and the Commons will be worse off when he goes.
    Yeah, he needs to take care not to get baited by the publicity, though. At times it feels like he knows exactly what he's doing when he does his antics. It shouldn't be self serving. Well, I would say that if I cared, really... not my parliament, he can do whatever the hell he wants. I'm just here for the entertainment.

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    We keep saying this, they keep ignoring us... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Watched a bit of BBC earlier when waking up (YAY nightshift -.-) you had conservatives still using the same shitty rhetoric. "We have to make every vote count!" but they can keep on voting on the same deal till it actually passes but people only get one vote. People still claiming that the EU will grant more time just willy nilly. That talk show episode should simply be called the great denial.

    There was perhaps two people who were reasonable, one who claimed that EU reform has to happen from within and just because 'cameron' failed it doesn't mean it is a failed cause.

    But hey still no consensus and people still thinking the EU will suddenly change after 3 years. Part of me wonders, is a no deal really the worst alternative? Considering these folks are the ones you elected now going to negotiate with that same EU your trade deal with them. And i can tell you right now you're going to lose billions if not more because they are going to try to appease a small electorate of fishermen (ex) who simply are going to be out of a job in a decade or so anyway because they don't know what the quotas are for except the EU is simply evil :/


    ps: to go into more specifics, i'm aware of a model coming to the BMW plant in the netherlands, something that supposedly is made primairly in the UK, a production line has been frozen for adjustments and other adjustments are being made elsewhere. Additional space has been created to create a larger buffer zone for parts from england. Even if the brexit is undone, i got a feeling for the large part the damage is done and the german car builder has grown tiresome off englands political fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Ahhhh the UK will crash, I see. Not showing the whole picture though are we? Same survey, same company giving the complete story...

    https://www.markiteconomics.com/Surv...8a8841055e6954

    As opposed to the EU which has already crashed.

  20. #15280
    What do you fancy then dribbles? A Brexit so soft it could be called a Briexit? Or a General Election with the two main parties standing for a soft Brexit or a very soft Brexit? Or last choice, a second referendum that would reject Brexit entirely?

    Because those are the choices you have left now. Basically BINO or no Brexit. You can't say I didn't warn you. You've ticked your last tock old bean.
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