View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #16101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social..._(Netherlands) perhaps? He is a far more rabid eurosceptic than most of the GUE-NGL parties though, most of which are calling for modest reform.
    Aye true, SP are skeptic but officially not against the EU in totality.
    just wants to limit the power the EC has and only allow it's expanse via referendum.

    Hrmm that kinda fits

  2. #16102
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    States that customarily disregard international agreements they have signed are largely considered rogue states.
    Noone "customarily" disregards international agreements - those that do don't make them in the first place and don't view them as valid way to shape their policy.

    If certain agreement is seen as (or becomes) unfair everyone has an option to opt out. Unilaterally. That's the point of sovereignty.

    If you cannot your country isn't sovereign.

    There is a reason the US has never ratified most international treaties (and not even bothered to sign many of them); they do not want to be held to account for breaking that signature.
    Yeah, that is one of the options. But not the only one.

    Agreements can be beneficial with certain assumptions and stop being such once those assumptions prove to be false - or something else changes.

    Like US getting out of INF treaty that it certainly signed up to and ratified. Or, prior to that, ABM treaty. Again, unilaterally.

    So, why aren't you interacting with them as rogue state yet? With their total disregard to international agreements?

    EU law is not only signed but also always ratified by the individual parliaments.
    And as you say, violating those agreements comes with penalties so you accept that penalties will exist. That is what the EU does, impose penalties to members who don't follow agreements.
    Again, i'm just saying that same process should be used for withdrawing from ratified agreements.

    That is, if it was done by parliament ratification then parliament should be able to withdraw from it; if it was done by government so should government.

    That is how it worked - how it still works - around the world.

    In fact, threshold for leaving is sometimes (perhaps even more often) lower.
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2019-03-20 at 03:47 PM.

  3. #16103
    Quote Originally Posted by Arunu View Post
    Aye true, SP are skeptic but officially not against the EU in totality.
    just wants to limit the power the EC has and only allow it's expanse via referendum.

    Hrmm that kinda fits
    There is no hard eurosceptic european party on the left. Hard Eurosceptics are the ENF (nativists and national conservatives), some members of the ECR and a few independents. There are a few independent hard eurosceptics that are left though; e.g. Greece sends at least a couple of Communists every election.
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2019-03-20 at 03:44 PM.
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  4. #16104
    not terribly up to date on this Brexit deal so if anyone wants to point out which poll option is the one that has this whole shitshow blow up in the faces of the leave camp the most I'd very much appreciate it.

  5. #16105
    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    not terribly up to date on this Brexit deal so if anyone wants to point out which poll option is the one that has this whole shitshow blow up in the faces of the leave camp the most I'd very much appreciate it.
    That would be the Hard brexit option

  6. #16106
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaira View Post
    No job yet, I need to refresh my language studies there but my husbands Norwegian and he doesn't feel welcome here anymore so we are going back to our other owned home in Norway.
    Well, you are both very much welcome over here!

  7. #16107
    So the options are now confirmed to be either the existing deal + a short extension to implement, revocation, or no deal on the 29th. @Slant wins the prediction competition

    Maybe now with a week to go the Labour leadership beyond Corbyn will wake up.

    @LeGin Tufnel sadly Nigel Farage's new party seems to be having a few issues
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-03-20 at 04:39 PM.

  8. #16108
    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantique View Post
    Well, you are both very much welcome over here!
    Hey, Thank you, I really appreciate that it's his homeland so I admit I'm abit apprehensive and nervous even though I absolutely adore Norway it's so beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    So, any take-back has to be "nuclear option"?

    You don't see it as problematic and dangerous?

    After all, threshold for passing is a lot lower; asymmetry is pretty clear.
    It's not lower, you just ignore that the very same threshold also gives the option of taking back control. It's called negotiation.

    So you have two options, the nuclear one or negotiation. Do tell how that is asymmetric?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The mood is hardening in favour of a no deal Brexit.



    Every day the news has pictures of European police hospitalising european old age pensioners with batons, as in Catalonia, people realise that if the Brexit vote was to happen in ten years time those same Brussels bully boys could be doing the same to British pensioners in London.

    We have had a very very lucky escape and more and more it is looking like no deal is better than any deal.
    How is a poll from oct 2017 showing the mood is hardening today ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    How is a poll from oct 2017 showing the mood is hardening today ?
    This thread didn't grow to 822 pages overnight, the Dribbles post you're quoting is also from October 2017.

  13. #16113
    Quote Originally Posted by Demolitia View Post
    How is a poll from oct 2017 showing the mood is hardening today ?
    Er? Dribbles' post is from October 2017...

    - - - Updated - - -

    To bring a Sky data poll from this year into the thread; 'Brexit: 90% say handling of negotiations is 'national humiliation' - Sky Data poll'

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1108413274830311426

    I must confess that I'm slightly worried about the 10% that presumably think things are going okay.
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-03-20 at 05:11 PM.

  14. #16114
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaira View Post
    Hey, Thank you, I really appreciate that it's his homeland so I admit I'm abit apprehensive and nervous even though I absolutely adore Norway it's so beautiful.
    Don't be nervous. Just dive into it. But... be prepared for the winters. Sure, it doesn't sound scary when someone tells you it's only 3-5 hours of daylight per day, but it's quite different to move there and not escape what some may think of as "eternal darkness interrupted by hazy twilight". Make sure your husband is aware of the problems connected to it, this cannot be understated, you need to pay attention to it.
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  15. #16115
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Looks like it's May's deal or no-deal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011
    Or a long extension. Or cancelling Article 50. This doesn't actually rule out any possibility yet, regardless of what certain individuals are saying. It might mean that May resigns as a result of the next vote, but will that actually break the deadlock in Parliament? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't.

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  16. #16116
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    This thread didn't grow to 822 pages overnight, the Dribbles post you're quoting is also from October 2017.
    Long day, sorry

  17. #16117
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Or a long extension. Or cancelling Article 50. This doesn't actually rule out any possibility yet, regardless of what certain individuals are saying. It might mean that May resigns as a result of the next vote, but will that actually break the deadlock in Parliament? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't.

    What's a word for an omnishambles so great that it's capable of impacting across the entire multiverse?
    To find out where long extension fits into the future we have to see what comes out of Parliament tonight and how the EU reacts but initial signs point to "nu-uh".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arunu View Post
    I'm betting he doesn't.
    You're gonna lose that money.

    I'm thoroughly confused as to what you would vote though in our nation.
    Euroscepticism has been a socialist stance since forever.
    The fear of the chaos surrounding Brexit is one of the main reasons people don't want to leave. Once that clears up I am expecting a bigger push for Nexit.
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  19. #16119
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    To find out where long extension fits into the future we have to see what comes out of Parliament tonight and how the EU reacts but initial signs point to "nu-uh".
    I mean I don't even understand how an extension past May 23rd would work even if the House approved an amendment between May's Deal and Remain only tonight. The UK would still have to hold the most incongruous election campaign ever. "Vote for me so I can go for a vacation to Strasbourg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    You're gonna lose that money.

    Euroscepticism has been a socialist stance since forever.
    The fear of the chaos surrounding Brexit is one of the main reasons people don't want to leave. Once that clears up I am expecting a bigger push for Nexit.
    Soft Eurosceptisicm is the belief that the EU is necessary but requires reform. Soft Euroscepticism completely rejects the idea of dissolving the EU. Hard Euroscepticism among the left is only a stance among Communist parties that reject "the American World Order" as part of their Cold War alignment to the USSR. The USSR no longer exists and Russia is in no way Communist so why you still have their back baffles me.
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  20. #16120
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    To find out where long extension fits into the future we have to see what comes out of Parliament tonight and how the EU reacts but initial signs point to "nu-uh".
    Agreed, I don't see a long extension, assuming it's offered, getting through parliament unless there is a significant change within and revoking A50 is just not going to happen.

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