View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #16461
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    All that bootlicking to get the DUP onboard to lose because of your own party members.

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    Amendment F loses by 3, 311 to 314.

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    I mean, the indicative votes are not binding in any way are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean, the indicative votes are not binding in any way are they?
    Nope. But we might get an idea as to what Parliament might actually pass in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Nope. But we might get an idea as to what Parliament might actually pass in the future.
    Also makes it easier to overthrow a government if you know you're in a majority consensus.

    8 Labour MPs voted with the Government against Letwin through, utterly mindboggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean, the indicative votes are not binding in any way are they?
    No, as the name suggests they are a means of testing or indicating what the House would be able to find a consensus on (i.e. actually pass).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Nope. But we might get an idea as to what Parliament might actually pass in the future.
    Depending on how they do it, we might see the options effectively ranked in order of popularity. With no-deal bottom and May's deal slightly above it.

    That's what they are desparate to avoid, I suspect. Something that shows that Norway+, second referendum and cancelling Article 50 all have significantly more support that the two options that May wants to make them choose between. Regardless of whether they ignore it or not, the optics on that after the march on Saturday and the ongoing petition will be terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    No, as the name suggests they are a means of testing or indicating what the House would be able to find a consensus on (i.e. actually pass).
    Yes but that requires the House to actually have the same opinion a few days later!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Also makes it easier to overthrow a government if you know you're in a majority consensus.

    8 Labour MPs voted with the Government against Letwin through, utterly mindboggling.
    It's likely the same 8 that are insanely for brexit no matter the cost morons.

  9. #16469
    Ok, I was out of today's proceedings... as far as I gather, Parliament has decided to basically take control over the schedule of motions on Wednesday that would normally be controlled by the Government, right?

    And now they're voting on... what, Parliament polling to find out what people want? Taking their sweet fucking time, aren't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Ok, I was out of today's proceedings... as far as I gather, Parliament has decided to basically take control over the schedule of motions on Wednesday that would normally be controlled by the Government, right?

    And now they're voting on... what, Parliament polling to find out what people want? Taking their sweet fucking time, aren't they?
    They voted on adding the amendment, now they are voting on whether to pass the motion which includes the amendment that was passed. In theory it should be the same thing, but you never know with this lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    In theory it should be the same thing, but you never know with this lot.
    Exact same majority for the amendment as for the motion, so did actually end up being the same thing this time

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    Bercow just took Greg Hands and made him look a complete idiot there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    They voted on adding the amendment, now they are voting on whether to pass the motion which includes the amendment that was passed. In theory it should be the same thing, but you never know with this lot.
    And now they're playing children's shouting matches again... they do realise they're standing right at the cliff's edge, don't they? They got exactly one shot left, if they fuck this up while discussing Bercow's comments I don't see how anyone can not blame MPs for this mess as much as May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    And now they're playing children's shouting matches again... they do realise they're standing right at the cliff's edge, don't they? They got exactly one shot left, if they fuck this up while discussing Bercow's comments I don't see how anyone can not blame MPs for this mess as much as May.
    May is telling a population who continuously has threatened violence on Remain MPs that they are the enemy of the people and she is on their side. I mean I can blame the MPs as well but after that speech May should disappear from politics and hope to god no one dies if Brexit is overturned after pointing her finger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    May is telling a population who continuously has threatened violence on Remain MPs that they are the enemy of the people and she is on their side. I mean I can blame the MPs as well but after that speech May should disappear from politics and hope to god no one dies if Brexit is overturned after pointing her finger.
    Do controversial bullshit and see controversial bullshit happening. I mean, seriously, politicians in the UK, as much as I prefer none of them come to harm, are EVERY BIT as responsible for this mess as the people think. And as we say in Germany, put 'em all in a sack and start clubbing, you can't hit the wrong one.
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    The actual motion had a larger majority than the amendment, looks like the no's had two abstains.

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    Jeez, one of the Conservative rebels against the Government was Boris Johnson's brother. That I didn't see coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post

    Jeez, one of the Conservative rebels against the Government was Boris Johnson's brother. That I didn't see coming.
    Jo Johnson has basically been the anti Boris in the commons since the whole brexit shit started, he resigned from government back in December because he wants a second vote on the matter. I wouldn't have been shocked if when the 3 tories joined TIG if he had thoughts about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    The actual motion had a larger majority than the amendment, looks like the no's had two abstains.

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    Jeez, one of the Conservative rebels against the Government was Boris Johnson's brother. That I didn't see coming.
    Isn't he a known remainer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    The government loses again, and now we can get some votes to see what Parliament wants to happen next. Protip for dribbles; it won't be no-deal.

    In fact I kind of hope they have no-deal on there where people can vote without concern about any other aspect of this whole shitshow. I would be surprised if they even broke 3 figures in favour of that.
    Why are you celebrating? Seen a remain unicorn? The government has already said it will ignore the indicative votes.

    Glad we agree that the votes for no deal will be in the 3 figures/hundreds. Looking forward to it myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Isn't he a known remainer?
    No one's 100% sure, he was a minister who resigned because he disliked the PM's deal, but so did the ERG.

    This is probably the most damning statement he's made, will be interesting if his brother attempts to fill the void if May resigns.

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