View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17021
    I think the point I was getting at is... you think there's a limit on how 'bonkers' the situation can become, Pann? After all that's come to pass?

    I agree, in so much as, May will never do it. Her entire priority from the outset has been to try and stop the Tories from splitting. So, yes, I think the idea's bonkers because she will never do it.

    However, if she were to do it... absolutely fantastic! Our 'democracy' is already a complete joke. The referendum was a complete joke. The events leading up to this point have been a complete joke.

    Article 50 is revoked: lots of angry Brexiteers... great!

    Basically, it'll either be them on the streets or Remainers if we hard Brexit. So, we'll just have to see how it plays out. I sincerely hope it's them getting stomped on.

    I would have accepted a soft Brexit / Brexit in increments. I will never accept a hard Brexit.

  2. #17022
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I think the point I was getting at is... you think there's a limit on how 'bonkers' the situation can become, Pann? After all that's come to pass?

    I agree, in so much as, May will never do it. Her entire priority from the outset has been to try and stop the Tories from splitting. So, yes, I think the idea's bonkers because she will never do it.

    However, if she were to do it... absolutely fantastic! Our 'democracy' is already a complete joke. The referendum was a complete joke. The events leading up to this point have been a complete joke.

    Article 50 is revoked: lots of angry Brexiteers... great!

    Basically, it'll either be them on the streets or Remainers if we hard Brexit. So, we'll just have to see how it plays out. I sincerely hope it's them getting stomped on.

    I would have accepted a soft Brexit / Brexit in increments. I will never accept a hard Brexit.
    That's a fair comment to be honest.

    Fortunately we do not live in a dictatorship therefore it would not be possible for May to stop Brexit on her own, but just to put the concept to the test - how would you feel about May deciding she has nothing to lose and that we will leave immediately on WTO terms?

    Why must people be angry? Isn't it due to people being angry and refusing to listen to each other that we are in this mess?

  3. #17023
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Why must people be angry? Isn't it due to people being angry and refusing to listen to each other that we are in this mess?
    No one was angry really until the backpeddling began which iirc was about 9am the day after the referrendum.

    So I wouldn't say it was "angrily refusing to listen" that got us here; but yeah I guess since then it hasn't improved because of it.
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  4. #17024
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    No one was angry really until the backpeddling began which iirc was about 9am the day after the referrendum.

    So I wouldn't say it was "angrily refusing to listen" that got us here; but yeah I guess since then it hasn't improved because of it.
    Without digging over the past too much I think that the leave campaign did a very effective job of harnessing the anger that many leave voters felt and it was instrumental in leave securing the victory.

    I disagree, leave refused to listened to experts and remain refused to what leavers were saying during the run up to the ref. perhaps if either side had been just a little more willing to listen to each other things would have been different?

    - - - Updated - - -

    May is going soon and will most likely announce her resignation when the withdrawal bill is defeated again.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129022177288904705


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    Labour seem to be moving towards backing a confirmatory ref.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129071598047256577
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-16 at 05:27 PM.

  5. #17025
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    May is going soon and will most likely announce her resignation when the withdrawal bill is defeated again.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129022177288904705
    Top-voted BBC comment:

    3. Posted by surfingsharka on
    9 hours ago
    May has put Chris Grayling in charge of naming her departure date.

    I have it on good authority that he is busy arranging it for September 31st.


    Hmmms

    The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

    Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?

    In a way, although I dislike May and her nauseating patronising primary school teacher attitude, I think it's probably better she stayed until Labour's hand is finally forced.

    I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

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    You think I'm pissed now, Pann? The above occurs, you ain't seen nuttin.
    Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-05-16 at 08:04 PM.

  6. #17026
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Top-voted BBC comment:

    3. Posted by surfingsharka on
    9 hours ago
    May has put Chris Grayling in charge of naming her departure date.

    I have it on good authority that he is busy arranging it for September 31st.


    Hmmms

    The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

    Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?

    In a way, although I dislike May and her nauseating patronising primary school teacher attitude, I think it's probably better she stayed until Labour's hand is finally forced.

    I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.

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    You think I'm pissed now, Pann? The above occurs, you ain't seen nuttin.
    Peston blogged about this kind of situation earlier today: https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-16/...he-tory-party/

    Maybe you shouldn't read it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.
    This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

    Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!
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  8. #17028
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

    Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!
    Yes, but in fairness, your ideal scenarios change faster than coke up Lord Sewel’s nose, so I’m not going to worry too much.

  9. #17029
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.

    Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?
    Johnson as PM attempting to force through a hard Brexit will eventually loose the support of the DUP, so yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.
    For this to happen, Conservatives + Brexit party need an overall majority in the GE, and the Brexit party are still polling at UKIP levels even with the Conservatives collapsing.



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    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-16 at 09:27 PM.

  10. #17030
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    This, so much this. Finally the penny drops...

    Not long now to that scenario...tick tock!
    That would require the brexit party to actually get a sizeable amount of seats. Remember how UKIP got over 25% at the last European Election and won precisely zero MPs from that "popularity"?

  11. #17031
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    That would require the brexit party to actually get a sizeable amount of seats. Remember how UKIP got over 25% at the last European Election and won precisely zero MPs from that "popularity"?
    Funny thing is, their pre-election polling was 30%-40%, basically the same as the Brexit party now

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Yes, but in fairness, your ideal scenarios change faster than coke up Lord Sewel’s nose, so I’m not going to worry too much.
    The business of politics is fast moving, prestissimo to you, obligatory example to follow. Who could have predicted the last 3 months would look like this graph?

    Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are now more unpopular than Nigel Farage.

    Net favourability scores:
    Nigel Farage: -32
    Theresa May: -49 (her all-time low)
    Jeremy Corbyn: -50


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1128981188176220160

    People vote for the party not the person you'll say? Nah nonsense i'll say, they are en masse going to vote for our Nigel.

    And in days we'll see just that joyous occasion unfold...
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  13. #17033
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The business of politics is fast moving, prestissimo to you, obligatory example to follow. Who could have predicted the last 3 months would look like this graph?

    Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are now more unpopular than Nigel Farage.

    Net favourability scores:
    Nigel Farage: -32
    Theresa May: -49 (her all-time low)
    Jeremy Corbyn: -50


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1128981188176220160

    People vote for the party not the person you'll say? Nah nonsense i'll say, they are en masse going to vote for our Nigel.

    And in days we'll see just that joyous occasion unfold...
    You do realise that -35 isn't a good score, don't you? That people hate Farage, they just happen to think even less of May and Corbyn at the moment?

    What am I saying. You think that 33% is a democratic majority. You think that a party standing on a single issue can win an election, especially when that one issue is a group of idiots wanting the impossible from a group of liars and conmen. You won't get the Brexit you want, even if May goes. BoJo won't give you a hard Brexit, he would have to take responsibility for it. May leaving probably just increases the chance of cancelling Article 50, rather than going to a second vote. Either way, you lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    You do realise that -35 isn't a good score, don't you? That people hate Farage, they just happen to think even less of May and Corbyn at the moment?

    What am I saying. You think that 33% is a democratic majority. You think that a party standing on a single issue can win an election, especially when that one issue is a group of idiots wanting the impossible from a group of liars and conmen. You won't get the Brexit you want, even if May goes. BoJo won't give you a hard Brexit, he would have to take responsibility for it. May leaving probably just increases the chance of cancelling Article 50, rather than going to a second vote. Either way, you lose.
    The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though, just enough seats to be kingmaker, a dozen would do it - ask the DUP.

    Boris on the Westminster Iron Throne, I see you accept that is now likely. Farage as kingmaker would come with a price. Still don't see that? Give another probable scenario, can you?

    Sorry, but you lose.
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  15. #17035
    last time he had the chance he pulled a brave sir Robin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though
    What General Election are you talking about?
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  17. #17037
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though, just enough seats to be kingmaker, a dozen would do it - ask the DUP.


    Any seats gained by the Brexit party will come from the Conservatives, so how does that help them become kingmakers?
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-05-17 at 08:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    What General Election are you talking about?
    Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    Any seats gained by the Brexit party will come from the Conservatives, so how does that help them become kingmakers?
    The new Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage is on course to win nearly 50 seats at the next general election after overtaking the Conservatives in a national poll for the first time

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-beats-tories

    They have been going for barely a month. You honestly think we have reached peak Brexit party? Give King Nigel and his merry men a few more weeks campaigning in Labour marginals...you'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.
    Are you at anytime not living in your dreamworld?

    Remember when you tick tocked back in february?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  20. #17040
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.



    The new Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage is on course to win nearly 50 seats at the next general election after overtaking the Conservatives in a national poll for the first time

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-beats-tories

    They have been going for barely a month. You honestly think we have reached peak Brexit party? Give King Nigel and his merry men a few more weeks campaigning in Labour marginals...you'll see.
    They peaked, it's a fad, the people who arent voting for them now, fundementally disagrees with them.

    The irony in you participating in a EU election months after your "tick tock" stupidity, hilarious!

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