View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17041
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Isn't one of the proposed plans after Brexit to become some kind of tax-haven?
    Sure? Seems to be one of the stepping stones on the race to the bottom.

    Doesn't change that banking is unpopular in Britain because a decade ago we had to bail out the industry to the tune of some £500 billion. It could easily be argued these people are fools for forsaking the hand that feeds them; I don't think we'd care.

    My point being talking about banks leaving as a result of Brexit is a positive spin, not a negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Sure? Seems to be one of the stepping stones on the race to the bottom.

    Doesn't change that banking is unpopular in Britain because a decade ago we had to bail out the industry to the tune of some £500 billion. It could easily be argued these people are fools for forsaking the hand that feeds them; I don't think we'd care.

    My point being talking about banks leaving as a result of Brexit is a positive spin, not a negative.
    Oh, I'm sure the "fuck the rich" mentality will achieve a positive spin on one of Britains core industries leaving.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  3. #17043
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Oh, I'm sure the "fuck the rich" mentality will achieve a positive spin on one of Britains core industries leaving.
    He’s right, though. It was never, really, about BJ’s £350m for the NHS lie.

    Rich leavers don’t care. Why would they?

    Elderly leavers don’t care. Affluent baby boomers or their triple locked pensions protected by the strength of the grey vote.

    Poor younger leavers don’t care. Under the impression that austerity can’t get any worse.

    They simply don’t care.

    Economic reasons for not leaving have always been the least powerful argument to put to pretty much all leave demographics.

  4. #17044
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Poor younger leavers don’t care. Under the impression that austerity can’t get any worse.
    I would say this is the demographic that would actually view banking leaving Britain as a blessing.
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
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  5. #17045
    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    The banks helped themselves to trillions of pounds worth of subsidy, the sooner they fuck off the better.

    There is absolutely no justification whatever for the continued existence of and subsidy of the failed banking sector. They should be subject to the same financial discipline as everyone else is.
    This is absolutely true, however isn't it better to keep them there and have a Labour government actually make an effort to regulate them than have them flee? They are fleeing with those subsidies and taxpayer money after all. This is one thing I am very much hoping to see if Corbyn gets elected, someone finally reversing some of the deregulation that brought us to this point.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  6. #17046
    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    The banks helped themselves to trillions of pounds worth of subsidy, the sooner they fuck off the better.

    There is absolutely no justification whatever for the continued existence of and subsidy of the failed banking sector. They should be subject to the same financial discipline as everyone else is.
    Completely right. We simply don't need or want any sort of banking system in this country.

    I'll get my lyre out and sing on the street corner. People can simply throw food at me (rotten or fresh; will depend if they like acoustic, Grecian-inspired rock music nor not).

    :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    This is absolutely true, however isn't it better to keep them there and have a Labour government actually make an effort to regulate them than have them flee? They are fleeing with those subsidies and taxpayer money after all. This is one thing I am very much hoping to see if Corbyn gets elected, someone finally reversing some of the deregulation that brought us to this point.
    Alternatively, burner, the above is a more sensible way of putting it.

  7. #17047
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    This is absolutely true, however isn't it better to keep them there and have a Labour government actually make an effort to regulate them than have them flee? They are fleeing with those subsidies and taxpayer money after all. This is one thing I am very much hoping to see if Corbyn gets elected, someone finally reversing some of the deregulation that brought us to this point.
    I mean, if they fuck up royally again in say 2021 and its the EU that has to bail them out of it's pocket rather than the British taxpayer (disclaimer: I'm not trying to suggest that this is likely or anything like that); it will convince a lot of people that leaving the EU was a economically sensible thing to do.

    After all, if Corbyn, or any PM *did* try to regulate them too harshly, they'd move away to Europe anyway, right? Isn't that the argument against raising corporation taxes n stuff : If businesses have to pay too much they'll HQ elsewhere... (I get banking regulations =/= corporation tax, but wouldn't the underlying incentives/decentives still be at play)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    The banks helped themselves to trillions of pounds worth of subsidy, the sooner they fuck off the better.

    There is absolutely no justification whatever for the continued existence of and subsidy of the failed banking sector. They should be subject to the same financial discipline as everyone else is.
    Sure, blame the banks and not the ones who are responsible for the laws and regulations that allowed for it. That'll help with everything!
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  9. #17049
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Sure, blame the banks and not the ones who are responsible for the laws and regulations that allowed for it. That'll help with everything!
    Yes, blame the banks.

    If someone finds an exploit in a video game you're welcome to blame the devs for not having a fool proof system, or even for deliberately writing the code so that these backdoors existed. We're still gonna blame the people who blatently take advantage of it.

    You seem to find the concept that people would accept being poorer if it meant that we weren't "at the mercy" of a bunch of public school educated wanker banker toffs as totally crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    In principle yes. In practice, and this is why I tend to have some sympathy with *some* leavers even though I'm not one of them, this is probably the only realistic shot we have of getting rid of these parasites*.
    By making the country more vulnerable to parasites from all over the world.

    Positive spinning awayyyy
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  11. #17051
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Sure, blame the banks and not the ones who are responsible for the laws and regulations that allowed for it. That'll help with everything!
    It takes two to tango.

    Both sides can be blamed, and both sides can be acted against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Yes, blame the banks.

    If someone finds an exploit in a video game you're welcome to blame the devs for not having a fool proof system, or even for deliberately writing the code so that these backdoors existed. We're still gonna blame the people who blatently take advantage of it.
    It's not an exploit though.

    It's the devs giving some certain players the right to fly without having to use, buy or own a flying mount and granting them the ability to fight while flying on top of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  13. #17053
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    I mean, if they fuck up royally again in say 2021 and its the EU that has to bail them out of it's pocket rather than the British taxpayer (disclaimer: I'm not trying to suggest that this is likely or anything like that); it will convince a lot of people that leaving the EU was a economically sensible thing to do.

    After all, if Corbyn, or any PM *did* try to regulate them too harshly, they'd move away to Europe anyway, right? Isn't that the argument against raising corporation taxes n stuff : If businesses have to pay too much they'll HQ elsewhere... (I get banking regulations =/= corporation tax, but wouldn't the underlying incentives/decentives still be at play)
    It's a crappy argument though. Banks need to be able to serve their clients and because of legal concerns they cannot just not have a legal presence in your country. The reason they are moving some of their staff is entirely that after all.
    And I am not at all suggesting some excessive amount of regulation. We just need to get back to the level we were before Clinton and Blair.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  14. #17054
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    It's not an exploit though.

    It's the devs giving some certain players the right to fly without having to use, buy or own a flying mount and granting them the ability to fight while flying on top of it.
    And if Devs did that I'd STILL blame the people who were doing it for ruining others game play. It's pretty straightforward.
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Seriously guys, this forum would be a better place if everyone just stopped acknowledging Zenkai. It's just demeaning to everyone.

  15. #17055
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Yes, blame the banks.

    If someone finds an exploit in a video game you're welcome to blame the devs for not having a fool proof system, or even for deliberately writing the code so that these backdoors existed. We're still gonna blame the people who blatently take advantage of it.

    You seem to find the concept that people would accept being poorer if it meant that we weren't "at the mercy" of a bunch of public school educated wanker banker toffs as totally crazy.
    The banks did not find an exploit. They were decently regulated and then a series of supposedly center-left or center-right governments across the developed world started pulling back major regulations and replacing them with entire lame alternatives. That's not an exploit, that's the government giving them blowjobs. Last I checked we did not elect those governments to be high class escorts to the banking sector.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

  16. #17056
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    We just need to get back to the level we were before Clinton and Blair.
    Well we're getting into levels of detail that I'm ignorant of; but I thought we were talking the investment/merchant banks rather than the highstreet ones and as such in the digital age I didn't think they were as beholden to the physical location as they may have been once. You can still serve clients in Britain from Switzerland or Ireland already so...
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    And if Devs did that I'd STILL blame the people who were doing it for ruining others game play. It's pretty straightforward.
    Sure, sure. You'd blame players for being allowed to play the game differently than you, that makes perfect sense.

    Do you blame paladins for using bubble while you're dying to a one-shot ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    The political class are mostly in the pay of the banks. Everyone - and I just don't mean the Tories I mean everyone from Gordon Brown to Nigel Farage to Nick Clegg has very strong connections to the industry. Telling them to regulate the banks is like asking the tail to wag the dog, it is ridiculous.
    And how will the banks leaving change anything then? The vacuum left behind will be filled by other parasites. You're not getting rid of them, you're exchanging them for something even worse because of the whole situation the UK will be in after leaving the EU.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hathmoth View Post
    The political class are mostly in the pay of the banks. Everyone - and I just don't mean the Tories I mean everyone from Gordon Brown to Nigel Farage to Nick Clegg has very strong connections to the industry. Telling them to regulate the banks is like asking the tail to wag the dog, it is ridiculous.
    It's especially egregious in the UK funnily enough BECAUSE of the existing transparency regulations. Everyone needs to have a large roster of independents in boards and auditing boards which means there is a vast number of highly paid, low responsibility "jobs" for politicians to rest in an entirely pay to play manner. This could be resolved of course (by mandating legally that being part of such a board after holding a legislative or executive public position is a conflict of interest that remains for at least 5 years after you leave your current spot).

    I am unsure of the political realities a Labour government would have to face. I assume they'd be a minority government with a supply relation with SNP and/or Plaid or otherwise enter a coalition.

    You know THIS is something you should have a referendum on. Restore banking regulations to the state they were in the late 80s. Let the people decide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    And how will the banks leaving change anything then? The vacuum left behind will be filled by other parasites. You're not getting rid of them, you're exchanging them for something even worse because of the whole situation the UK will be in after leaving the EU.
    Well at least you might reduce the levels of gentrification in London. But yeah, it solves nothing. They still need to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    You can still serve clients in Britain from Switzerland or Ireland already so...
    Because of the Single Market.
    Banking regulations used to be far harsher just two decades ago. Half the crap that led us to the recession were downright illegal in the 80s.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Well we're getting into levels of detail that I'm ignorant of; but I thought we were talking the investment/merchant banks rather than the highstreet ones and as such in the digital age I didn't think they were as beholden to the physical location as they may have been once. You can still serve clients in Britain from Switzerland or Ireland already so...
    What do you mean with still?
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  20. #17060
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Do you blame paladins for using bubble while you're dying to a one-shot ability?
    Bad example I played Paladin and there weren't any one-shot abilities in the game when I was playing it Are you honestly saying there weren't people who thought Paladin bubble was busted OP and should be removed (didn't it *get* removed in the end?)...

    You can say "Hate the game not the player" as much as you want; that isn't going to change the fact that some people still hold people or groups responsible for their actions, regardless of how much license they had to behave how they did. In anycase I wasn't trying to make an argument for how people *should* feel. I was pointing out how they *do* feel.

    And when it comes to the previous Labour government they get flak for Iraq; and the banks get the flak for 2008. Whether or not in the grand scheme of things it was totally the governments of the Western worlds fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    What do you mean with still?
    "up to and including the present or the time mentioned; even now (or then) as formerly." At least that's what I meant.
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Seriously guys, this forum would be a better place if everyone just stopped acknowledging Zenkai. It's just demeaning to everyone.

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