View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #17041
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Fair enough - but that's a massive, massive gamble isn't it. No - I think Corbyn would win.
    I think the scenario were FPTP is removed is one of a minority Labour government that enters in a coalition with other parties that demand that FPTP is put to a referendum with an actual alternative.

  2. #17042
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Perhaps you should read up about diplomatic representation before trying to be a pedant.
    Just admit that you were wrong. But I will do. Whilst I'm at it perhaps you could look up the word pedant so as you can avoid this kind of unintentional irony in future.
    Last edited by Pann; 2019-04-01 at 07:23 PM.

  3. #17043
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think the scenario were FPTP is removed is one of a minority Labour government that enters in a coalition with other parties that demand that FPTP is put to a referendum with an actual alternative.
    FPTP was put to the ballot not too long ago (2011 IIRC) and was rejected, I don't know if public opinion has changed enough to make that a headline topic for the election manifesto.

  4. #17044
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    What Cameron asked was to remove Freedom of Movement. Which is the same thing the AfD asks for. So no, no one could have given them that and no one is going to give it to the AfD either.
    Indeed. Freedom of movement is a core foundation of the EU and cannot be separated from the other core foundations.

    It will blow over. Right-extremist parties across the EU are speaking less and less about leaving the EU, even France FN is silent about "Frexit". Russia, which is supporting many of the anti-EU parties across Europe, is under pressure b/c of the sanctions that are costing Putin votes. The sanctions will increase slowly at least until the next Russian elections in 2024.

  5. #17045
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    FPTP was put to the ballot not too long ago and was rejected, I don't know if public opinion has changed enough to make that a headline topic for the election manifesto.
    What was put to the ballot was a weak alternative that would do nothing because Lib Dems could not push for something bigger and the Tories set up the referendum to fail. I am talking about a referendum were the alternative option is PR, not just FPTP but you don't have to vote strategically.

  6. #17046
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think the scenario were FPTP is removed is one of a minority Labour government that enters in a coalition with other parties that demand that FPTP is put to a referendum with an actual alternative.
    Hmmms... yes, I wonder if I'm barking up the wrong tree. It's a bit unlikely isn't it?

    Either way, it is - without a shadow of a doubt - the most important thing that could come about as a result of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    FPTP was put to the ballot not too long ago (2011 IIRC) and was rejected, I don't know if public opinion has changed enough to make that a headline topic for the election manifesto.
    Fuck public opinion, to be honest. The decision needs to be made above their heads.

    [Yes, I appreciate the irony]
    Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-04-01 at 07:28 PM.

  7. #17047
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Fuck public opinion, to be honest. The decision needs to be made above their heads.

    [Yes, I appreciate the irony]
    We could just cut out the middleman and get rid of elections altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Labour could do much worse than put Keir Starmer in charge of the party.
    One constantly lives in hope for this outcome.

  9. #17049
    Apparently nearly 200 Tories have signed a letter to the PM begging for a "managed no-deal".

    I mean, what even is "managed no-deal"? I'm assuming it has something to do with geese that lay golden eggs riding unicorns across a rainbow, trailing sparkles.

  10. #17050
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Apparently nearly 200 Tories have signed a letter to the PM begging for a "managed no-deal".

    I mean, what even is "managed no-deal"? I'm assuming it has something to do with geese that lay golden eggs riding unicorns across a rainbow, trailing sparkles.
    It's trading with the EU under WTO where the EU will actually buckle and give them everything they want in small individual agreements instead.

  11. #17051
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    Apparently nearly 200 Tories have signed a letter to the PM begging for a "managed no-deal".

    I mean, what even is "managed no-deal"? I'm assuming it has something to do with geese that lay golden eggs riding unicorns across a rainbow, trailing sparkles.
    It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.

  12. #17052
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.
    When they exit the House, the men in white coats will be waiting to take them to a place where they can "calm down" over several years

  13. #17053
    Quote Originally Posted by Vermented View Post
    Indeed. Freedom of movement is a core foundation of the EU and cannot be separated from the other core foundations.

    It will blow over. Right-extremist parties across the EU are speaking less and less about leaving the EU, even France FN is silent about "Frexit". Russia, which is supporting many of the anti-EU parties across Europe, is under pressure b/c of the sanctions that are costing Putin votes. The sanctions will increase slowly at least until the next Russian elections in 2024.
    It's not sanctions that are costing Putin votes, it's inane laws passed by Duma and rising of pension age right after election without immediate need to do so.

    Which has nothing to do with anti-EU party support across Europe - because that is insanely cheap and is going to continue regardless of anything.

  14. #17054
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.
    Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

    Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

    “It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”

  15. #17055
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

    Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

    “It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”
    Please let that be an April Fool joke.

  16. #17056
    lol

    Iain Dale has blocked me on Twitter

    Why on earth would he bother. That's bizarre. I wasn't even rude.

  17. #17057
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

    Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

    “It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”
    So I read your post and I thought "that's satire right?". So I click the link to confirm and umm, oh dear. I honestly wish I wasn't surprised.

  18. #17058
    So 75% of Tory activists want a pure no-deal. That is terrifying, and if anyone needed proof that this party needs to be removed from any proximity to power immediately, it's right there.

    Mind you, the average age of that bunch is 70 odd. So maybe it isn't surprising that they are a bunch of rabid Brexiteers with no clue about anything.

    I'm honestly struggling to see how this doesn't end up with a radical split in the Tory party. The ERG crew aren't budging an inch, so anyone with an ounce of sanity or political common sense is going to want to get to safe distance before they cause a toxic explosion.
    When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.

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    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
    Brexophilia: The act of rubbing yourself against dead political ideas for sexual pleasure.

  19. #17059
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    So 75% of Tory activists want a pure no-deal. That is terrifying, and if anyone needed proof that this party needs to be removed from any proximity to power immediately, it's right there.

    Mind you, the average age of that bunch is 70 odd. So maybe it isn't surprising that they are a bunch of rabid Brexiteers with no clue about anything.
    I think a better and more pleasant way to look at it would be that it's more surprising that it's only 75% rather than say, 100%.

  20. #17060
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    So I read your post and I thought "that's satire right?". So I click the link to confirm and umm, oh dear. I honestly wish I wasn't surprised.
    It's bizarre: I genuinely don't know if it's an April Fool's or not. I didn't even consider the April Fool's dimension until Butler Log mentioned it. Looking at it, I don't think it is.

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